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NASB | Hebrews 11:13 ¶ All these died in faith, without receiving the promises, but having seen them and having welcomed them from a distance, and having confessed that they were strangers and exiles on the earth. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Hebrews 11:13 ¶ All these died in faith [guided and sustained by it], without receiving the [tangible fulfillment of God's] promises, only having seen (anticipated) them and having welcomed them from a distance, and having acknowledged that they were strangers and exiles on the earth. [Gen 23:4; Ps 39:12] |
Subject: Did Enoch die? |
Bible Note: Bradk I tend to agree with you but I have some exceptions to what you said. First I notice you do not address the issue of Elijah which I think this article had the stronger argument. Second you asked what made them authoritative. That is a question we can ask of anyone in today’s arena. At one time a person could stand before us and be considered authority because he knew something we didn't. However today with the internet we are seeing that even the most authoritative of the authoritative is just an opinion that some will support and others won't. That said I try to establish authority in scripture and consider the rest conjecture. Which brings us back to the original language and "ayin" that has a defined meaning of “there is not, non-existence” Complete Biblical Library Hebrew-English Dictionary - The Complete Biblical Library Hebrew-English Dictionary – Aleph-Beth. While you are correct context does decide the exact meaning of “ayin” it means more than someone isn’t around anymore, it much stronger word than that. In this case it implies they no longer exist. I think the article makes strong points and while we might not totally agree with it we must consider its point. That leads us to the question what effect theologically does Genesis 5:24 really have on us? If Enoch was taken directly to heaven we have the problem of a mortal being walking in the place of immortality. If he was translated from mortal to immortal then He in effect went through the same process of all that die in Christ will do. If he is only spiritually taken then again we have basically the same process we as Christians are told to expect, when Paul told us absent from the body is present with the Lord. If we are using Enoch’s lack of death as conjecture for saying he is one of the two witnesses of Rev 11:3 there are more problems with that, than what really took place in Gen 5:24. I guess what I'm saying is this subject is often debated, preached and etc but other than the fact it happened has little effect on us. |