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NASB | Ephesians 4:11 And He gave some as apostles, and some as prophets, and some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers, |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Ephesians 4:11 And [His gifts to the church were varied and] He Himself appointed some as apostles [special messengers, representatives], some as prophets [who speak a new message from God to the people], some as evangelists [who spread the good news of salvation], and some as pastors and teachers [to shepherd and guide and instruct], |
Subject: pastors or ministers? |
Bible Note: Hi Misty, I'm sorry if you felt you were given a less-than-christian welcome here on the Forum. My apology if I came across offensive in any way. To help remedy the situation, why don't you feel free to check out my user profile and add one for yourself. This is one of the ways we get to know each other:-) Additionally, one usually needs to develop repoire- which occurs over time. People need to get to know you and get a "feel" for where you're coming from. This develops from consistent postings. The problem is that many newcomers aren't willing to "tough it out" to be accepted. Doc brought up a valid point that intent and attitude are sometimes hard to convey on the internet. That's certainly true here. It's been said that we judge ourselves by our intent, but others by their actions:-)One of the ongoing challenges on this Forum are that quite a few (and I'm not infering you're one of them) don't bother to review the guidelines and purpose. This creates some immediate friction. Lastly, this is a public Forum (as I stated before), and ALL of our ideas, opinions, and statements are open to scrutiny. We have to expect that not all will agree with us and offer us a challenge. It is part of life. Please don't confuse my being direct with attacking you. That's never been my intent:-) We have to learn to view a rebuttal constructively and not take it as a personal. Many of us who have been around for a while view opinions with much reservation because experience has proven this caution as warranted. I think there is much benefit to be gained from being on this Forum (which is why I'm still around), but it does take time to get comfortable with the day-to-day "flavors" and the different personalities involved. I've chosen to be involved, grow and learn and I hope you will too:-) My hope is that this helps you to understand a bit more of the Forum and hopefully my heart and intent- which is to glorfy and give honor to the Lord Jesus Christ! Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |