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NASB | 2 Corinthians 13:14 ¶ The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit, be with you all. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | 2 Corinthians 13:14 ¶ The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all. |
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Two wills on same subject at same time? Oneness position...a serious problem ____________________ "If it was the flesh side of Jesus speaking to the divine side of Jesus in heaven, then that denies the true incarnation of God in Christ and invalidates the atonement." "The problem with the oneness position is serious and the fact that Jesus' will was separate from the Father's demonstrates that the Father and the Son are different persons within the Godhead." ____________________ ' Oneness theology teaches that there is only one person in the Godhead whose name is Jesus. Jesus is the Father and the Holy Spirit. Regarding His incarnation, oneness people say that He was in heaven at the same time that He was on earth. Logically this would mean that even though Jesus was both in heaven and on earth, He was still one person, not three as the Trinity position holds. Unfortunately, the oneness position presents a serious problem. ' In the Garden of Gethsemane (Luke 22:42), Jesus prayed to the Father saying, "Father, if You are willing, remove this cup from Me; yet not My will, but Yours be done." See also, ""And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, 'O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt'" (Matt. 26:39). ' We have two wills, one of the son, one of the Father, at the same time. If this is so, then how can one person have two separate and opposing wills on the same subject at the same time? ' The response is generally that Jesus was fully a man and that in his humanity he was not the everlasting Father. But if this is so, then what was Jesus if not God incarnate? If He is not fully God incarnate, then the atonement is void since it isn't God making the sacrifice but a mere man. ' Sometimes oneness people say that Jesus had another existence outside His existence as a man because he also was existing as the Father. But this implies that there are two beings since each has its own existence different than the other. Furthermore, the Oneness position would have a will of the Father and the Son at the same time that are in opposition to each other -- yet they are one person! If the oneness people state that Jesus' flesh was at odds with His own presence as the Father in heaven, then again we have no true incarnation. ' The problem with the oneness position is serious and the fact that Jesus' will was separate from the Father's demonstrates that the Father and the Son are different persons within the Godhead. The oneness people are very wrong. 'Questions: '1. If it was the flesh side of Jesus speaking to the divine side of Jesus in heaven, then that denies the true incarnation of God in Christ and invalidates the atonement.' (www.carm.org) 2cor1314 |
Bible Answer: The Catholic encyclopedia I. THE DOGMA OF THE TRINITY The Trinity is the term employed to signify the central doctrine of the Christian religion -- the truth that in the unity of the Godhead there are Three Persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, these Three Persons being truly distinct one from another. Thus, in the words of the Athanasian Creed: "the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God, and yet there are not three Gods but one God." In this Trinity of Persons the Son is begotten of the Father by an eternal generation, and the Holy Spirit proceeds by an eternal procession from the Father and the Son. Yet, notwithstanding this difference as to origin, the Persons are co-eternal and co-equal: all alike are uncreated and omnipotent. This, the Church teaches, is the revelation regarding God's nature which Jesus Christ, the Son of God, came upon earth to deliver to the world: and which she proposes to man as the foundation of her whole dogmatic system. The trinity came from the oneness omnipotent - unlimited power or authority; all-powerful John 14:28 for My Father is greater than I. co-equal - having the same rights, privileges, ability, rank, knowledge etc. Mark 13:32 no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. co- eternal - without beginning or end Col 1:15 firstborn over all creation. Rom 1:19-20 19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, |