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NASB | 1 Corinthians 15:51 Behold, I tell you a mystery; we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed, |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | 1 Corinthians 15:51 Listen very carefully, I tell you a mystery [a secret truth decreed by God and previously hidden, but now revealed]; we will not all sleep [in death], but we will all be [completely] changed [wondrously transformed], |
Bible Question:
Do Paul in the 1 Thessaloninas 4:14-17 and John in Revelation 19:11-14 describe the same event? Shirl |
Bible Answer: I do not believe that the verses you quote refer to the same event, although it is possible that others who use this forum would disagree. That which follows might be of help. NASB John 14:3 "If I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself, that where I am, there you may be also. AMPLIFIED John 14:3 And when (if) I go and make ready a place for you, I will come back again and will take you to Myself, that where I am you may be also. Question (short): Is the Raptur a real event? Question (full): Is the Rapture a real event? WHy is there so much controvery over it. Answer: Yes it is, please read John 14:2-3. also 1 st Thess 4:13-18, and 1 st Cor 15:51-58. The problem, is that some people think that the second advent is in two parts seperated in time, whilst others think that everything takes place at one moment in time. The question that I would like to ask is this. How is it possible for every eye to see the thief in the night, if there is only one event? Question (short): rapture unseen, 2nd advent seen by all Question (full): I understand the thief in the night is the rapture and the second advent in when christ returns and every eye will see him coming in the clouds on his white horse. right? Answer: Yes Subject: Is the Raptur a real event? Note: Hi Edwin, Does it actually say that every eye will see the thief? I believe this is an allegory for an unexpected event. As to Him who cometh with clouds, Hebrews 12 makes mention of the great cloud of witnesses as it refers to the Old Testament saints. The church I attend teaches that the rapture will happen before the Great Tribulation. It is separate and distinct from the rapture of the church. The rapture is the time when Jesus will be coming for His church. At His second coming, He will be coming with His church. I myself will wait in anticipation of what our Lord has in mind for His saints, and I prefer not to convince myself of a particular event on which the Scriptures are unclear. God's Blessings to you and yours, Tim Note: No there is no such verse, it is my way of drawing attention to the fact that there are two groups of verses, one group shows that the second comming will be very public, ie, "every eye will see Him". Whereas the other group of verses indicate that His Return will be the very opposite, ie, "like a theif in the night". These two sets of verses cannot possibly refer to the same event, therefore, there must be two seperate visits to earth by our Lord in respect of His second comming, one where He does not come down to the surface, but remains in the air above the ground, as He "raptures" His bride, the church, the other when He does come all the way back to the surface to carry out judgment. |