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NASB | John 8:44 "You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | John 8:44 "You are of your father the devil, and it is your will to practice the desires [which are characteristic] of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks what it natural to him, for he is a liar and the father of lies and half-truths. |
Bible Question: If Isaiah 14:12-16 and/or Ezekiel 28:12-16 does not include Satan as many scholars would contend, is it possible from Scripture to know anything specifically about Satan's origin, fall, or type of being he is? |
Bible Answer: Hello tob, Hopefully, this will be helpful from bible.org. As indicated, scripture doesn't really address the exact origin of satan: "His Creation and Origin Though the Bible reveals a great deal about the fact, nature, program, purposes, and schemes of Satan, it does not give all the facts about his origin and fall or the cause of his existence as the great adversary of God and His people. The Scripture teaches us that there is only one eternal and self-existent God who is the Creator of all things. If Satan were not a created being then he must be eternal or self-existent, a dualism which is incompatible with what the Bible teaches about God and the world in which we live. The Bible emphatically declares all things were created by God through Christ, and there is nothing that was not made by Him (John 1:3; Col. 1:16-17). As demonstrated under the doctrine of angels, Satan is a fallen angel and a created being. Colossians 1:16 states, “For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created by Him and for Him.” The words, “thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities” describe angelic beings and shows us two things about them: they were created by Christ and they are invisible. In addition, Revelation 12:7-9 not only identifies Satan as the chief of the fallen angels, but by the parallel association described there, it identifies him as an angel. Just as Michael, also an angel, is described as the leader of good angels, so Satan, an angel, has his own fallen angels under his command. A considerable debate exists whether two passages in the Old Testament, Isaiah 14:12-15 and Ezekiel 28:11-19, have Satan in view, but if they look beyond the human kings to Satan, they provide us with some detail on the origin and existence of Satan as to his creatureliness, fall, and present character. If so, Ezekiel 28:12–19 describes Satan’s original state as the anointed cherub who was not only a created being, but created perfect (vss. 12-13). He enjoyed the highest position and honor in the presence of God (28:14, 16). Further, Isaiah spoke of him as “star of the morning (KJV Lucifer; NIV morning star), son of the dawn” (14:12). But because of his pride and aspirations to be like God, he became God’s chief adversary (Heb. Satan). After this, he is never again called by any of these prestigious titles. Instead, he is called by terms that reflect his fallen character and hostility to God and men, like liar, murderer, adversary, the evil one, Abaddon (destruction), Apollyon (destroyer), Belial (worthless), serpent, and dragon. As with the rest of the angels, the time of his creation is not specified. If Ezekiel 28:13 refers to Satan and to the earthly Garden in Eden, then, of course, he had to have been created before God planted the Garden in Eden (Gen. 2:8).10 But can we legitimately understand Isaiah 14:12-15 and Ezekiel 28:12-19 to refer to Satan? Many believe that the very nature of the wording of these passages which describe someone with superhuman powers and aspirations must go beyond the kings of Tyre and Babylon. If these passages do not extend beyond the human counterparts to Satan himself as the invisible enemy behind the scenes, then the Bible is silent regarding the origin of why and how God’s and man’s greatest adversary came into existence. While it explains the origin of man and his sin and fall (Gen. 3), it is silent regarding Satan’s origin and fall. It mysteriously simply presents us with the fact, but not the how and why. In keeping with his ability to carefully and succinctly explains the issue, Dr. Ryrie has an excellent discussion on Ezekiel 28:11-19. Many debate whether or not Ezekiel 28:11-19 has Satan in view, but if it does, then it provides us with a number of descriptive details as to the characteristics of Satan’s original condition at his creation. All agree that the subject of verses 1-19 is judgment on Tyre and its leader. But the question is, do verses 11-19 go beyond the human leader to reveal things about something or someone else? The candidates for that something or someone else called the king of Tyre are: (a) a symbol drawn from pagan mythology; (b) a primal being who lived in the Garden of Eden and was driven out through pride; (c) a mythological, unreal being presented in Phoenician mythology and incorporated and applied in this story to the king of Tyre, (d) an ideal” though unreal, person, (e) the ideal man, the same as the historical first man, Adam, whose histories (initial privileges and subsequent sin) are analogous; (f) the sinister being Satan; (g) Satan’s masterpiece, Antichrist." [Satanology/ J. Hampton Keathley III/Bible.org] The balance of this article may be helpful in answering the other questions as to his fall and attributes. I trust this will help, BradK |
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