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NASB | John 4:24 "God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth." |
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Subject: Jesus has two nature but yet he is one. |
Bible Note: You say "...but don't think it's simply a matter of understanding scripture in the way we are led:-) Ultimately, it's a matter of: what does scripture teach!" I think the Holy Spirit leads me, teaches and enlightens me and that things are revealed at different times to different people. I think all scripture is good. I don't think we have to see all scripture the same. I think - Right is right, wrong is wrong, hopefully we see and understand that in scripture. Scripture also speaks to each of us individually - which it must be doing this time. So - you don't think scripture teaches us differently (or at different times)? From my studies I believe Paul lived while Jesus was ministering; was aware of Him as a human, and was converted when confronted by Jesus in spirit form. I don't think Paul was a believer of Christ's ministry while Jesus was alive. Many scholars believe Paul's ministry began 34 C.E. while others think it came later. I think Paul knew Jesus as a man. Maybe not personal friends, or shaking hands, but having knowledge of Him (like I know Billy Graham??) I'm not sure whom Hodge or Westcott are and what the basis is for quoting them - they must be sources you believe and trust. Your Hebrews scriptures once again seem to be past tense. yes, He assumed our nature - that's why when I start complaining or whining about something and talk to Him as if He doesn't understand, He can quickly point out that He does, because He has been here. And, like the scripture says - He can sympathize. Again "He also took part" - not present tense? Dr. Graham states "Because Paul was a young man when he witnessed the stoning of Stephen, we can assume that he was born during the same period as Jesus, and Paul had his conversion experience about the age of 30-35; Paul's execution probably was about A.D. 64-65." - about the same age, living same area - I think Paul "knew" Jesus. I am not getting something here - I'm not seeing any basis for believing that He didn't cease being a man. I'm trying - I'm not seeing it in what you are writing me. I'm going over to this site at break and lunch - so my thoughts are generally that - my thoughts and scriptures I know - I can't research much during these short times. So my answers aren't scholarly (nor would they be if I could research them). I'm not seeing Him as human. I asked a minister friend at lunch and he chuckled. Seems like it isn't a unique debate - but he has never seen anything in scripture, in his studies or His life experience that leads him to believe that Christ is human. I'll try to find time to do some research on this subject but right now, I'm not getting it from what you are sending me. It's probably furstrating or confusing you - I'm sure your intentions are good and you are trying to make it clear - but I'm not getting it. His servant... |