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Subject: Grace, Graciously Offered |
Bible Note: Hi Doc, If you wish to refresh yourself on my previous comments regarding the varied uses of Orthodox, or Orthodoxy, please see my post 172593, in which I mention four different ways different groups claim the title of "orthodox", the Greek Orthodox being only one of them. In that post I clarified my use of this term in the same was as my most recent post. I am not changing how I am using this word, my usage has remained the same, as the record will bear out. As for your "paraphrase of my doctrine", no, that is not an accurate representation of what I have written. And since you have not been interested in discussing the actual texts of the Scriptures I have posted, I am not really interested in discussing your paraphrase of "my doctrine". What it comes down to is what the Bible says. If you want to discuss this, let's stick to that. This post I am responding to is an easy example, you have claimed that I am changing what I am saying, yet I challenge you to go back to what I have written, and see if that is true. It is not. To tell you the truth, I'm not interested in either convincing you, or proving myself to you, only in presenting a Scriptural view of Salvation, which takes into account the dozens of Scriptures which your view would have us to say, "they say that, but they don't mean that." What we would not dream of doing ourselves some would ascribe to God, in not saving from the fire those who are within our power to save. Jesus said, "If you, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more your Father in heaven..." You would have us to believe that "You, being evil, would save the undeserving helpless from the flames, but God wouldn't." But God desires all to come to salvation, none to perish in their sins, and died for the sins of the world, because He loved the world. God saves the willing, and wills all to be saved. And don't worry, I don't think there is a person on this forum who would mistake us as being in agreement on this particular point. Love in Christ, Mark |