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NASB | Luke 23:34 But Jesus was saying, "Father, forgive them; for they do not know what they are doing." And they cast lots, dividing up His garments among themselves. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Luke 23:34 And Jesus was saying, "Father, forgive them; for they do not know what they are doing." And they cast lots, dividing His clothes among themselves. [Ps 22:18] |
Subject: universalism? |
Bible Note: Dear Searcher your statement "The Roman soldiers did not know they were killing the Son of God. To them they were killing a criminal against Rome." Your treatment of the word (killing) is very interesting, from the last I heard, in the 10 commandments it says "thou shall not kill", that means to me, even if I was a Roman soldier killing is wrong, something that God will hold me accountable for. (period) There was another post in this thread, where the person said she would not comment, she was alluding to the defense the German soldiers made after WW-II saying, "I was only following orders" did that defense make it ok to kill Jews? After all they were the enemies of the Third Reich. In fully understanding these verses, it wasn't what the Roman soldiers knew, or didn't know, it is what Jesus knew. If I was being put to death, as Steven was stoned, I could say the same thing, but not being Christ, I do not have the all encompassing understanding of just what His death would, did, and has meant for mankind. In conclusion I lay the two side by side, they are in essence the same prayer, except one is the prayer of the Son of God, with the full understanding of His mission on Earth, the other is a man, no different that we are, praying for the forgiveness of those killing him, as we were taught by the Son of God to do. Luk 23:34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots. Act 7:60 And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep Be Blessed in Christ YenIsaRap. |