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NASB | Matthew 18:17 "If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Matthew 18:17 "If he pays no attention to them [refusing to listen and obey], tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile (unbeliever) and a tax collector. [Lev 19:17; Deut 19:15] |
Subject: Executive privilege? |
Bible Note: Dear bjanko, You answered my main point, which was that the church should be aware and involved in church discipline, up to a point dictated by common sense. I agree that vv 18-20 are not just about prayer. Obviously they have something to do with the context. I am not sure I agree with your 'take' on them ('church authorities' speaks to me of a church hierarchy I am unfamiliar with), but neither do I 'violently' oppose it :-) I will look into it, and get back if I think it is worth discussion. As to examination prior to ordination, I think that post-ordination examination is also in order. I am sure you are aware of a lot of 'wonderful fellows' falling from their ministry. In some manner (not just finances or hierarchy) a minister should be accountable to his flock. It is for his protection. By heinous I meant something that would divide the church or weaken the already weak. Deception, violence, and infidelity also come to mind. That which causes the church or individuals to stumble? In effect, anything that isn't healed by your last statement. Thank you for a good discussion. I hope others were blessed as I was. In Christ Jesus. |