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NASB | Isaiah 14:12 "How you have fallen from heaven, O star of the morning, son of the dawn! You have been cut down to the earth, You who have weakened the nations! |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Isaiah 14:12 "How you have fallen from heaven, O star of the morning [light-bringer], son of the dawn! You have been cut down to the ground, You who have weakened the nations [king of Babylon]! |
Subject: Did this occur before Gen 1:1 or after? |
Bible Note: Hi Ron, I am sorry that I haven't answered your post very quickly. I'm starting now to go over some threads to see whom I may have neglected or overlooked. The use of the similar language of Jesus in Luke and here in Isaiah does not mean that He quoted from this passage and applied it to Satan. You are correct in saying that. But it is possible, I believe. The seven "words" on the cross show that Jesus was thinking of Scriptures even on the cross. I believe His mind and heart were full of Scriptures always and I see a reason why this one in Isaiah could have come to His mind during the Luke 10:18 account of activities. In Luke Jesus saw Satan fall from heaven and He may have been thinking of the king of Babylon and "How you have fallen from heaven, O star of the morning, son of the dawn." The disciples said that demons were subject to them in His name; they were ruling over their oppressors. Isaiah 14:4 has the taunt against the king of Babylon, "How the oppressor has ceased, And how fury has ceased! The Lord has broken the staff of the wicked, the scepter of rulers which used to strike the peoples in fury with unceasing strokes,..." Or, perhaps Jesus was thinking during the Luke account of the king of Tyre, and the son of man's lamentation over him. "You were the anointed cherub who covers, And I placed you there. You were on the holy mountain of God; you walked in the midst of the stones of fire." Jesus may have had that in mind also during the Luke activities as Ezekiel 28:16 continues, "Therefore I have cast you as profane From the mountain of God. And I have destroyed you, O covering cherub, From the midst of the stones of fire." You are correct that we do not have any documentation that Jesus was thinking of these kings during that time, but I believe that the application can be seen as appropriate when we compare the Scriptures. A third comparison for a look at the morning star would be Revelation 2:27,28. I have read that there are four main interpretations given for the promise of the morning star. I go with the second one that William Barclay suggests in "The Daily Study Bible Series", volume one of the Revelation of John. b)It is taken as the conquest of Lucifer. Lucifer is the devil, the angel who was so proud that he rebelled against God and was cast over the battlements of heaven (Isaiah 14:12). Lucifer means light-bringer and it is the name of the morning star. If that be so, this is a promise of complete power over Satan and over sin." So I believe that the morning star is correctly in lower case and it is not talking about Christ. But that is another discussion at another time. I hope that I expressed well enough my viewpoint and that some of this has been meaningful. From the heart, Ray |