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NASB | Psalm 22:16 For dogs have surrounded me; A band of evildoers has encompassed me; They pierced my hands and my feet. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Psalm 22:16 For [a pack of] dogs have surrounded me; A gang of evildoers has encircled me, They pierced my hands and my feet. [Is 53:7; John 19:37] |
Subject: Does Psalms 22 stand up to the skeptics? |
Bible Note: Part four: She said they said: 14. There is some proof that feet were never nailed, but the legs were tied to a buttress apparatus He said: 14. Such as? She said: According to one of my “pals”, this contraption can be found on the web, a picture of Jesus as he might have been crucified. I haven’t seen it yet. But who knows? There is a common belief that Jesus carried his cross. But a lot of scholars discount that, and say that what was actually carried was the crossbeam. The poles were usually in place, and once the condemned reached the site, the crossbeam was attached. Just the crossbeam was estimated to have weighed about 100 pounds, so that would make sense. But, any proof, for sure? No. Personally I don’t see how anyone could carry a 100 pounds very far, much less the whole enchilada. She said they said: 15. Normally, it took forever to die from crucifixion; Jesus died really fast. He said: 15. The Hebrew Masoretic text is actually from the 9th century. While most extant Hebrew texts do have the different wording, it is hard to conclude what was actually there in the autographs. Some Hebrew texts have "pierced" just like our Bible does, and the Septuagint has the hands and feet "pierced" as well. In any case, we cannot be certain that the Masoretic text is the correct rendering in this case. She said: I guess you’re referring to question 16? The response sure doesn’t seem to correspond to 15. She said they said: 16. If the Hebrew Masoretic translation is accurate, why do other translations deviate? He said: 15. The Hebrew Masoretic text is actually from the 9th century. While most extant Hebrew texts do have the different wording, it is hard to conclude what was actually there in the autographs. Some Hebrew texts have "pierced" just like our Bible does, and the Septuagint has the hands and feet "pierced" as well. In any case, we cannot be certain that the Masoretic text is the correct rendering in this case. She said: This answer is greatly appreciated. It is informative, not argumentative. Great! She said they said: 17. Who was at the cross as witnesses? No one seems to know. Only John puts anyone close to the scene He said: 17. Well, if John puts himself there, then John seems to know, doesn't he? She said: Apparently. But the operative word is “seems”. In his prior writings, before the Book of John, he didn’t seem to know much at all. The closer he was to the lifetime of Jesus, the less he seemed to know. But that’s been covered. Let’s grant that John was at the foot of the cross, along with Mary, the mother of Jesus, so close that he and Jesus conversed. Why is this granted? The answer is because John says so. Instant question would be why on earth didn’t the other writers mention this? Instead they either said all had fled and were in hiding, or some of the women were standing a far distance from the cross. Mary is NOT at the cross, according to Mark, Matthew and Luke. And please don’t engage in the weak argument that just because one writer didn’t mention it, doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. That wears extremely thin in its simplicity. John also puts himself at the tomb. And John also has more words from Jesus, spoken in more form and manner, than any of the writers. Did Jesus say all that John attributed to Him; after 60 years or more? So, how does anyone know that what John says is true? “And we all know that my account of these things is accurate.” We do? Part four |