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NASB	Genesis 34:31 But they said, "Should he treat our sister as a harlot?"
AMPLIFIED 2015	Genesis 34:31 But they said, "Should he [be permitted to] treat our sister as a prostitute?"

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Subject: Rape, Circumcission, Slaughter.

Bible Note: "or did Dinah welcome the relationship and the "violence" was against Joseph's (and the brother's) property rights?"

Hi, JRM!

To read that Dinah was just being promiscuous and that the males felt violated because their property was taking without some form of agreement or payment, says very little for Jacob and his children! It is also contradicting the actions taken by Dinah's brothers... it would have been advantageous for them to have Dinah marry the prince--just imagine how much claut they would have with all the people that dealt with Shechem in the neighboring territories... instead, they have made a profound statement, one that places them in peril, as all the associates of the people they killed would, in the least, see Jacob and his family as adversaries!

I ask you to rethink your position and include the fact that Jacob was a servant of Yahweh and he and his family had a different set of standards (spiritual and moral) than those of Canaan and its neigboring terretories...

" am a little surprised about how comfortable you feel about the deceitful agreement re. circumcission. It seems to me like offering someone communion bread, but poisoning it first."

Yet, I am sure that you were not as surprised as I was when I read your suggestion about taking the money and marrying Dinah to her rapist! This is akin to discovering that someone removed a spare organ from your body and then offered you some cash for your troubles!

It seems that you exact a greater obligation on Jacob than you do on the pagans! Though I am not truly surprised as we witness this same treatment all over the world: those who have power are beyond any accountability--onless an example is required.

The violation, though it seems that you refuse to accept the fact that it took place, was both a physical (Dinah and her family) and a spiritual (Israel, the people of God) violation!:

1) Dinah's violation lead to Simeon's and Levi's deceitful retaliation on Shechem and his people (Geneisis 34:1-31) Simeon's and Levi's violence lead to Jacob's rejection of Simeon and Levi at his death bed (Genesis 49:5-7); 3) The sons of Levi, as Peter in John 21:15-18, were separated by Yahweh and redeemed from their father's violence (Exodus 32:26-28); 4) Jacob's rejection of Levi lead to the Tribe of Levi being dispersed amongst Insrael while their obedience to God's Command distinguished them for the service of the priestly tribe (Numbers 1:47-54; 3:12-13).

If you find fault at Simeon's, Levi's and Jacob's actions... is it because you truly do not find fault with Shechem and his people or is it because you do not understand God's Way?

The first Covenant involved temporal values (sinners were iradicated by means of a physical death); Israel (inclusive of Jacob and his children) lived under such Covenant!

God Bless!

Angel