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81 | Church is kidnapped to Sodom! | James 2:8 | jesusfreak508@aol.com | 58637 | ||
Where does it say if you are disqualified while an overseer, you may no longer be an overseer? | ||||||
82 | 508, what about lifelong consequences? | James 2:8 | jesusfreak508@aol.com | 58636 | ||
Romans 7:5,6 For when we were controlled by the sinful nature, the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in our bodies, so that we bore fruit for death. (6) But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code. Romans 5:20 The law was added so that the trespass might increase. But where sin increased, grace increased all the more, so that, just as sin reigned in death so also grace might reign through righteousness to bring eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Romans 6:14,15,18 For sin shall not be your master, because you are not under law, but under grace. (15)What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means!....(18)You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness. Romans 8:3 For what the law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the sinful nature, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful man to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in sinful man, (4)in order that the righteous requirements of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the sinful nature but according to the Spirit. Romans 10:4 Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes. There are many many more, but what I meant was that if you choose to make the law your way to salvation, then you are surely going to die, because no one has ever been able to keep every letter of it and that is the requirement of living under the law. In Acts 14:10, 11 Peter says "Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of the disciples a yoke that neither we nor our fathers have been able to bear?(11)No! We believe it is through the grace our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are." We keep the law because that is the blueprint or roadmap God gave us to show us and guide us in how He wants to live and treat with each other. But we HAVE LIFE because of God's grace. Because we are God's children, His beloved, those whom He gave His Son's life to restore, those who have given themselves to His Son, then we obey the law from love and obedience. The law can't kill us anymore because we are promised life through grace. But if you say the law, keeping the law is how you are seeking eternal life, then you are saying that by works, by something you do, you can earn your salvation. Grace is the only way to salvation and life. That's what I meant if you choose law over grace then you die. Galatians 5:4 You who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace. Galatians 5:13 You, my brothers, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the sinful nature; rather, serve one another in love. (14)The entire law is summed up in a single command: Love your neighbor as yourself (15) If you keep on biting and devouring each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other. Galatians 5:18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under law. Galatians 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfullness, (23)gentleness and self control. Against such things there is no law. |
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83 | Not my will? | Rom 5:6 | jesusfreak508@aol.com | 58634 | ||
We were created to rule the earth and everything in/on it. How do you rule without free will? God said it. You rule it, you name it. My Bible tells me Woman wasn't created when God gave the instructions about the fruit. So who changed God's Word and set her up to be successfully tricked into the sin of EATING it by telling her she was forbidden to eat it or touch it? Who named Woman and was the Head in their pairing? And as such stood as her spiritual leader, authority and protector? And where was he when the devil was leading her down the garden path? Genesis 3:6 says he was with her, so why didn't he open his mouth? Why is he just sitting there letting this snake get away with this? He had an obligation and responsibility to her that came with being the one to name her as well as the fact that she was bone of his bone and flesh of his flesh. Sounds to me like somebody used somebody as a poison-taster. When asked what she had done, Woman said, "The serpent deceived me, and I ate." I did it, but I was tricked. We'll just skip the fact that her Man stood right there and watched the whole thing, and I'll ask instead, what would have happened if Man had grabbed her arm and drug her butt off to God and said, "He tricked her! She had bad information and that snake tricked her! Once she touched it and nothing happened she figured the whole thing was bogus and she ate it! Yes, she thought she was being disobedient when she touched it, but she doesn't have the authority to make those kinds of decisions anyway. You gave that to me! I rule here!" But we'll never know. He didn't do that, did he? He ate the fruit. Nobody twisted his arm. Nobody talked him into it. Nobody told him to do it. She gave it to him and he ate it. When God confronted him, he said, "The woman you put here with me--she gave me some fruit from the the tree, and I ate it." I did it, but she gave it to me, and you gave her to me. So he wasn't just blaming Woman, he was blaming God too. It wasn't his fault. He was arguing he didn't have any responsibility or free will either. Somethings never change. And you argue that poor old helpless mindless no-will of his own Man was punished by God because he listened to Woman instead of God. Somethings really never do change. There you go adding stuff to the Word of God, too. My Bible says that he was punished because he listened to Woman. Period. He's the head remember? She's supposed to listen to him, not vice versa. I could be wrong there, but it makes more sense when you consider her punishment. She's going to give him babies and its going to hurt worse than anything she could ever imagine, so bad in fact that we don't really remember how bad it was until we start having the next one and so bad that it hurts the Man just watching it, yet her desire for him is going to keep her coming back for it again and again. Says pretty much without any doubt, 'Now are we clear who is RULER in this little pas de deux?' I've always thought someone who is deceived or tricked is by definition a dupe. Not too bright. But you think poor old mindless no will Man was doing just fine until the big bad too smart and strong for him Woman caused his wheels to start falling off. But God didn't say that either, did he? He said, "Cursed is the ground because of you." But that's just how a woman reads those verses. |
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84 | Not my will? | Rom 5:6 | jesusfreak508@aol.com | 58633 | ||
We were created to rule the earth and everything in/on it. How do you rule without free will? God said it. You rule it, you name it. My Bible tells me Woman wasn't created when God gave the instructions about the fruit. So who changed God's Word and set her up to be successfully tricked into the sin of EATING it by telling her she was forbidden to eat it or touch it? Who named Woman and was the Head in their pairing? And as such stood as her spiritual leader, authority and protector? And where was he when the devil was leading her down the garden path? Genesis 3:6 says he was with her, so why didn't he open his mouth? Why is he just sitting there letting this snake get away with this? He had an obligation and responsibility to her that came with being the one to name her as well as the fact that she was bone of his bone and flesh of his flesh. Sounds to me like somebody used somebody as a poison-taster. When asked what she had done, Woman said, "The serpent deceived me, and I ate." I did it, but I was tricked. We'll just skip the fact that her Man stood right there and watched the whole thing, and I'll ask instead, what would have happened if Man had grabbed her arm and drug her butt off to God and said, "He tricked her! She had bad information and that snake tricked her! Once she touched it and nothing happened she figured the whole thing was bogus and she ate it! Yes, she thought she was being disobedient when she touched it, but she doesn't have the authority to make those kinds of decisions anyway. You gave that to me! I rule here!" But we'll never know. He didn't do that, did he? He ate the fruit. Nobody twisted his arm. Nobody talked him into it. Nobody told him to do it. She gave it to him and he ate it. When God confronted him, he said, "The woman you put here with me--she gave me some fruit from the the tree, and I ate it." I did it, but she gave it to me, and you gave her to me. So he wasn't just blaming Woman, he was blaming God too. It wasn't his fault. He was arguing he didn't have any responsibility or free will either. Somethings never change. And you argue that poor old helpless mindless no-will of his own Man was punished by God because he listened to Woman instead of God. Somethings really never do change. There you go adding stuff to the Word of God, too. My Bible says that he was punished because he listened to Woman. Period. He's the head remember? She's supposed to listen to him, not vice versa. I could be wrong there, but it makes more sense when you consider her punishment. She's going to give him babies and its going to hurt worse than anything she could ever imagine, so bad in fact that we don't really remember how bad it was until we start having the next one and so bad that it hurts the Man just watching it, yet her desire for him is going to keep her coming back for it again and again. Says pretty much without any doubt, 'Now are we clear who is RULER in this little pas de deux?' I've always thought someone who is deceived or tricked is by definition a dupe. Not too bright. But you think poor old mindless no will Man was doing just fine until the big bad too smart and strong for him Woman caused his wheels to start falling off. But God didn't say that either, did he? He said, "Cursed is the ground because of you." But that's just how a woman reads those verses. |
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85 | Church is kidnapped to Sodom! | James 2:8 | jesusfreak508@aol.com | 58628 | ||
Alright. I can go with you there. Just tossing him to the wolves is what was upsetting me. Melanie |
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86 | Women speak in church? | 1 Cor 14:34 | jesusfreak508@aol.com | 58620 | ||
Hmm. Mockery and scorn. What's your Biblical reference for that, gentlemen? Melanie |
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87 | Hi JesusFreak | 1 Cor 14:34 | jesusfreak508@aol.com | 58618 | ||
Who was Jacob to wrestle with the angel of the Lord? I read and study and pray over the Scriptures constantly. Literally hours every day because the Spirit hardly lets me out of the house! I can stop studying to care for my husband, my children, my horses, my house and to go to church! It has been almost 3 months since I have watched secular television! I couldn't even tell you what the top 40 songs are anymore! Cast doubt?? CAST DOUBT??? Are you out of your mind? Do you have a mind? I don't! I have this tool the Holy Spirit has appropriated for MY edification! I'm judging??? I am asking questions and being hammered by such as your posting for daring! I'm asking the questions and making the comments in this public forum because I want other thoughts and queries and comments to continue to grow mine! I'm trying to water and fertilize the seed the Holy Spirit is working inside of me and you want me to root it out and throw it away! Well here's a little testimony for you! I left church in my mid-twenties because I was asked to leave a Bible study group for asking the 'disruptive' question of 'where did the pigs come from that Jesus threw the demons into?'. I was told I was questioning the divine authority and divine inspiration of the Bible and they just didn't think that was a good start, so could I please not come back? Well I didn't. I'm 41 years old this time and the Spirit has a hold on me like a headlock. And I'm not fighting it. So I'm not going to be pushed away from my Savior by people like you again. I am not bashing any apostle. At one time I deliberately didn't study Paul because I found him hateful in his attitude towards women. The Spirit has drawn me back to him again and again, and I have learned to LOVE him, but I still have questions and issues with some of the things he said. If you have Scriptures that will edify me, I would be happy to have them, but you're wasting your time if you think vague threats of judgement out of YOUR OPINION are giving me any edification. Jesus met me where I was and He has brought me to where I am, and I have complete and absolute Faith that He will bring me on the rest of the way. In spite of people like you who only want people on this forum who don't wonder things like how Jews in a Jewish land happened to have a herd of pigs hanging around. Do us both a favor. Ignore my posts and I'll ignore yours. If you have anything to teach that I need to learn, I have no doubt that the Spirit will make me accidently click on that particular post. Melanie |
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88 | Hi JesusFreak | 1 Cor 14:34 | jesusfreak508@aol.com | 58615 | ||
So if I have legitimate questions of things I find written in the Bible, and post my observations and questions about them, on a FORUM created for such study, I am ranting? You seem to find it necessary for my salvation that I should give Paul equal authority with Jesus and with the pathes the Holy Spirit is forcing me personally to walk. Hmm. I'll pray about that, but...well, I don't want to poison the soup, but I am not going to be granting anyone authority equal to Jesus that isn't the Father or the Holy Ghost. |
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89 | Women speak in church? | 1 Cor 14:34 | jesusfreak508@aol.com | 58614 | ||
I'm glad you're worrying, because that means you're praying for me, too. And if I'm praying for the Spirit to open my eyes and you're praying for the same thing, then that makes two of us in agreement! I love this forum! It has been such a Godsend! I tend to be extremely literal. I look at what you say here and I think, well, okay, if that's the way you look at it then that wouldn't be a contradiction. But it means that I have to subtly change my own definition of contradiction. So maybe I just need a better word to describe/define what I mean. I've already decided that conflicting was too harsh. So perhaps contradicting is as well. But I have to stand by the fact that I have to disagree with Paul when he says he has offended no one. I love him, now, but there was a time early in my spiritual awakening when I dismissed him entirely as completely offensive and a woman-hater. How awful it would have been if I hadn't kept praying and studying! Think of everything he has to offer that I would have missed. |
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90 | Church is kidnapped to Sodom! | James 2:8 | jesusfreak508@aol.com | 58613 | ||
But you don't just continue being lazy do you? No. And have corrected your behavior, you see your improvement on next month's report. I guess, I try to think of how Jesus would react and while Paul had no problem being harsh, Jesus never was. If a man or woman repented, He forgave. He didn't demand the consequences demanded by the Law. This man if fired, would lose his income, his home, and his wife's income. If he is truly repentent, has been rebuked, publically repented, and accepts his church's censure of his behavior, he should be tossed on the street, and forbidden to ever teach the Gospel again? I don't know. It just seems unnecessarily cruel and heavy handed. |
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91 | Church is kidnapped to Sodom! | James 2:8 | jesusfreak508@aol.com | 58611 | ||
John, I too have wrestled with the difference between membership and leadership, and I think David is an excellent example. But what I have come down to is that the Bible doesn't seem to speak to leadership in this (I'm still looking), so I feel we have to be bound by what it does address. And a leader is a member. I just get real queasy about going outside the Bible; I think the technical term is allegorical (not going by what the Word says but by what we think the Word means). Once you start doing that, where do you draw the line? For me the issues are clear. Paul and Timothy tell us how to pick our leaders. That should be our model. But that begs the question about ministers who were drug addicts or adulterers or like Paul, murderers, who were saved then began a ministry. So how far back do you look to judge their moral character, etc? But that's another question. The Bible doesn't tell me what to do in the case of a leader who met the criteria, then stumbled or outright fell (as this prof certainly did), but it is very clear what to do when a member does. Matthew and Paul, too in 2Cor 2:6 when he readdresses the 1Cor member, say if they repent we have to forgive and comfort and restore. Actually in this case, we don't really know if this guy has even been rebuked, much less if he repented. Which if he hasn't, then in case the point is moot anyway. Melanie |
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92 | Church is kidnapped to Sodom! | James 2:8 | jesusfreak508@aol.com | 58610 | ||
2 Corinthians 2:6-9 "The punishment inflicted on him by the majority is sufficient for him. (7)Now instead, you ought to forgive and comfort him, so that he will not be overwhelmed by excessive sorrow. (8)I urge you, there, to reaffirm your love for him. (9)The reason I wrote you was to see if you would stand the test and be obedient in everything." I thought 'we people' were all brothers and sisters in Christ? What 'you people' are you representing? |
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93 | Hi JesusFreak | 1 Cor 14:34 | jesusfreak508@aol.com | 58599 | ||
Paul was dealing with an outpouring of Spirit in Corinth. The Pharisee in him wanted to control it and subject it to rules. His 'God is not the author of confusion' comment sounds so wise and noble, and he is ever quick to pull out his authority as an Apostle. 'You should listen to me even when I am not speaking from the Lord because I am one the Lord has found trustworthy' (1Cor 7:25) The authority he quotes though is Temple Law. He says Tongues are for the unbelievers. (1Cor 14:20-22). A surprise for Peter and the other 120 with him (Acts 1:15)--men and women, on the day of Pentacost to learn. Acts 2:4 says "All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit enabled them." Who was the unbeliever locked up in that house among them? Paul saw himself as THE apostle though. I don't buy the Christian to Christian gentle rebuke motive for him in the Peter incident either. Not with comments like 1Cor 15:9,10 "For I am the least of the apostles and do not even deserve to be called an apostle,.....But by the grace of God I am what I am, and his grace to me was not without effect. No, I worked harder than all of them..." Catholics call it the throne of Peter, but they take their doctrine straight from Paul. They love the rules and the 'you gotta come through me' attitude he held. He even says that if the Spirit gives any spiritual gifts to anyone that person should be ignored unless they acknowledge that what Paul says is the Lord's command. (1Cor 14:37) Have you ever wondered why God wouldn't let Paul go into certain areas to spread the Gospel? I've always got the impression it was because he would have done more harm than good. He was awfully full of himself. He loved the Lord above all else, and it just poured out of him in truly beautiful wonderful works, but sometimes he just couldn't get over himself and his upbringing. I'm glad he was a zealot for the Lord though. Jesus is so wonderful. He sure knows how to pick the right man for the job. But I just don't know why Paul should be the authority on dealing with outpourings of the Spirit in church. His letter to Corinth is taken as the only Gospel on it, but go back to Acts and Pentecost. Peter and his group got so wild, everyone thought they were drunk when they poured out onto the streets. He and the Eleven got up and celebrated this, using it as an opportunity to preach. You didn't read that he told anybody to shut up or that they should restrain themselves so "...all things should be done with regard to decency and propreity and in orderly fashion." (1Cor 14:40) Jesus tells us Peter was to be the rock His church was built upon. I adore Peter and I want to be a Christian like him. Paul is much too judgemental and rule-bound for me. He's a Pharisee. I love Paul. 1Cor 13 is one of my favorite chapters in the Bible. How could anyone think it was not written by someone in the grip of the Holy Spirit? But I have to remind myself that not everything that came from the apostles was of the Spirit. Peter himself was praised by Jesus in one moment as having had a revelation straight from God, and the next moment was being called the devil, and told to get away. An example of this with Paul, is that Jesus said if we want to come to the Father we have to come as little children, but Paul says, "...stop thinking like children. In regard to evil be infants, but in your thinking be adults." (1Cor 14:20,21), then he goes right on to quote the Law. A true Pharisee. And it was Jesus who warned us to listen to them, but don't be like them. A final comment about Paul. In 1Corin 15:5-8, he deliberately leaves out any mention that it was the women who walked with Jesus who were chosen to take the news to the Apostles that Jesus was risen. Matt, Mark, and Luke, all feel it is important to tell this. The only Gospel actually written by one of the Apostles goes further and says not only did angels appear to the women, but that Jesus Himself came to the sobbing Mary and basically said, "Woman, what are you doing?" (John 20:15) Read those verses. The angels had already come to instruct her, but Jesus, who had not yet even gone to His Father after His resurrection, was moved by His love for her to stop and comfort her himself. "Mary!" He said to her. Can't you just hear Him? In one word, he says, didn't I tell you about this? Am I not standing right here in front of you? now, get up and hush. Could He not have appeared just as easily first to Peter? Or John, "the disciple that He loved"? But He didn't. And the fact that He stopped on the way to His Father, still ceremonial clean (Don't touch me---), just to stop this cherished woman from grieving one moment longer, speaks to me of a love that is just immeasurable. Jesus loves men, but He cherishes women. Praise God! Thank you Jesus and I love you, too! |
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94 | Women speak in church? | 1 Cor 14:34 | jesusfreak508@aol.com | 58593 | ||
Paul did not contradict himself? In 1 Corinthians 7:25 Paul does have the grace to say that this is not from the Lord, but his own personal opinions (I think that confession was from the Lord!), but does claim that since he is who he is even his opinions should be considered trustworthy. Then he goes on to advise the married men to adopt the attitude of one who is not married! Contrary to God's commands on the same subject in Genesis and to the teachings of Jesus Himself. In that chapter, he tells the unmarried men and women that they should stay that way to better focus on the Lord, then in the chapter 14 verses says women shouldn't be even allowed to ask questions about the Lord except in their home from their husbands. Well, either he's contradicting himself or he's purposely trying to slap a tape over the mouth of at least that generation of women. And yes, I've heard that arguement before about it was just a problem he was trying to correct in that church. But I think chp 11 verse 16, puts the brakes on that notion. "If anyone wants to be contentious about this, we have no other practice--nor do the churches of God." And would you not call it contradictory when the council at Jerusalem under James writing letters to the new Gentile converts tells them to not eat meat sacrificed to idols, then Paul writing in his letters tells them that it doesn't matter unless someone who thinks it is a sin is watching? 'My Bible' is an NIV student addition, a King James Version, an Amplified version, and a new historical "So That's Why" Bible. I pray constantly when I do my Bible studies and cross reference between all of them, and now I have this wonderful forum and a host of internet study sources, and the conflicting statements I find are in all of them. I have no instances where God makes any conflicting or contradictory statements, but I could give you a list of where PEOPLE in the Bible conflict with their own words, with each other, and more often conflict with what God teaches. Paul's falling back on the Law, or more accurately Temple traditions to support his views on women is a perfect example of that. And I know what Jesus Himself preached on the Pharisees and their attachment to their Traditions; even over God's Laws. I thank you for your comments though. Truly. If I sounded a bit snippy, I apologize. Teaching me to accept well-intended rebukes is one of the things the Spirit is working on with me at this point in my spiritual growth. As for eating habits and dressing, that I wouldn't put under submission or wisdom actually. I think of it more as an example of "God said it". Genesis isn't giving a command to women, God is just telling them the way it's going to be. Like it or not, we will be ruled over by our desires for our husband. He didn't say it would be a choice. I think any woman if she is honest will admit that like it or not we find ourselves doing things, some simple like restaurants and clothing, but some profound, some even damaging (a woman staying with a wife-beater) because we are ruled by our desire/love for our husband. Having said that, I am not saying women should stay with a boyfriend or husband who beats them or that God wants them to do such a thing. Actually I think that horrible situation is exactly why women should stay celibate until they are married and then should choose their husband very carefully, meaning a Godly man who stands willingly under God's authority and who delights in being in God's presence. Such a man is not going to harm or hurt his wife or children, and should the unthinkable happen, the wife has recourse through God. God made us ruled over by this desire for our man, and if we pick the wrong one and live with him under the wrong circumstances we are still ruled by that Genesis/Godly decree. Feminists may say no man rules me, but an honest woman will look at all the ways she gives into the man she desires/loves and realize its true whether she likes it or not. The woman staying with the wife-beater is just the most extreme example of it. oh boy. Hope that one doesn't get me in trouble. Melanie |
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95 | Church is kidnapped to Sodom! | James 2:8 | jesusfreak508@aol.com | 58551 | ||
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96 | Church is kidnapped to Sodom! | James 2:8 | jesusfreak508@aol.com | 58550 | ||
2 Corinthians 6:3 "We put no obstruction in anybody's way, we give no offense in anything, so that no fault may be found and our ministry blamed or discredited." That was my reference. She was offended and it was an obstruction to her praise and worship. It was getting between she and God. That's not important? Christ meets us and forgives us where we are. If the pastor has repented, I'm not worried about him. Though for the offense to his ministry I don't see how he can get out of publically repenting and asking forgiveness from his congregation. And as for the church-- excuse me, but I worship Christ. Not my church or my pastor. I love Christ and He doesn't get offended. He aches for the sinner and wants them/us under his wings like baby chicks. But this woman is distressed and that is my concern. Yes, the instructions in Matthew should be followed. I agree wholeheartedly. I am learning that the Bible has a solution or instructions for just about any situation, but where did you get in the Bible that there was even any chance that God would strike him dead for continuing to preach and teach the Gospel? If he has repented and is forgiven.... and go to 2 Corinthians where Paul himself said he told them this to test their obedience, and since they had passed the test and obeied, they should bring him back in and comfort him so as to confound the devil. How do you get God is going to strike him dead from that???? And how can you teach poor Ivory313 that she should be so unforgiving and hard hearted when she is already so wounded? I would hope that she would go through the steps of Matthew with a saddened but obedient and determined heart. It must be done, but if she does it to be hurtful to him...I'm afraid I just don't understand your point of view. |
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97 | Church is kidnapped to Sodom! | James 2:8 | jesusfreak508@aol.com | 58549 | ||
I answered you in the other note, but I'll say it here, too. No where in the Scripture does it say that the pastor must go and never preach again. Nowhere. And if he is truly repentent and has been forgiven, then he has a testimony that will serve to teach others to avoid the pitfalls and traps that ensnared him. That is valuable teaching. No one would be served by preventing it but the devil, and anything that confounds him to it I say, Amen! And sin is sin. Repentance brings forgiveness for all of it or none of it. You want to live by the Law, that's your choice, but I don't want any of it. I'll take forgiveness and Grace. |
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98 | Church is kidnapped to Sodom! | James 2:8 | jesusfreak508@aol.com | 58548 | ||
Timothy and Titus speaks to forming new churches and Jesus is the authority on repentence and forgiveness. Paul also spoke DIRECTLY to these kinds of circumstances, making no exceptions nor placing any conditions, for the forgiveness and the welcoming back into the congregation. So that the man wouldn't be brought too low and depressed--what would his condition be if he was trounced as you would prefer? Just as low and depressed as any man could be. You might also take a gander at Paul's writings on living by the Law. If you want to be held accountable under one of them, you'd better be ready to live under all of them, because you're giving up Grace for it. And when you choose the Law over Grace, you die. | ||||||
99 | Church is kidnapped to Sodom! | James 2:8 | jesusfreak508@aol.com | 58547 | ||
I'm very aware of the OT writings of 2 Samuel. But this man is not OT covenant. He's a Christian pastor and as such, he is covered under the new covenant. Jesus said render unto Caesar, and if this man had broken a civil or criminal law, I would say absolutely, you must take your punishment. But this is a SIN and Jesus specifically died and was resurrected to cover sin if there was repentence. | ||||||
100 | Women speak in church? | 1 Cor 14:34 | jesusfreak508@aol.com | 58546 | ||
The Law he is referring to is as noted above to have its reference in Gen 3:16. "To the woman He said, I will greatly multiply your grief and your suffering in pregnancy and the pangs of childbearing; with spasms of distress you will bring forth children. Yet your desire and craving will be for your husband and he will rule over you." Well, this says I will be ruled by my husband because my desire and craving will be for him. And its true. I have eaten in many a restaurant I don't like, because I invariably find myself letting him have his way. And I have shoes and outfits I don't like for the same reason. It is my desire (love) for him that makes me give in to him all the time on all kinds of issues. God said it, and I can testify that its true. But I submit because Jesus tells me to submit. And that's a two way street. No where though do I find in the Bible that says I should or that I have to submit to any man or every man. When I first read this verse and verse 35, I was devastated. I prayed on it for days! So in my Bible studies over the next few days, the Spirit started leading me around the Scriptures. First He took me to Jesus warning us to beware of the leaven of the Pharisees. Then He took me to Acts where He pointed out to me that Paul was a Pharisee. Then He took me to 1Corinthians 7:12 and 25, where Paul says outright that he is speaking from his own opinions and not from any revelation of the Lord. I was feeling better. That night I prayed over it, then the next morning I was led to 2Corinthians 5:16,17. In verse 16, dear Paul says that we should estimate and regard no one from a purely human point of view, in terms of natural standards of value.--- So how does he justify his 1 Corinthians order for women to be quiet "just as the Law says"? By his OT, Pharisee traditions it is "disgraceful for a woman to talk in church, for her to usurp and exercise authority over men in church." Yet by his NT 2 Corinthians 5:17 teachings, "Therefore if any person is ingrafted in Christ the Messiah he is a new creation, a new creature altogether..." Does this mean, except for women? We're still to be bound by the Law? Dead in our sin? NOT! I was feeling ALOT better by this point. Then I read 2 Corinthians 6:3 "We put no obstruction in anybody's way, we give no offense in anything, so that no fault may be found and our ministry blamed and discredited." -- Wrong! I and no doubt many, many women found fault and were offended. Then God took me to Mary, the first person to see Jesus after He rose. He pointed out to me that Jesus actually stopped on His way to ascending to His Father to comfort this WOMAN. There ended up being a reason for His telling me to speak through my husband in our church (specifically our Wed night Bible studies with our newly ordained young Pastor), and of course, He was right and it was best that I do it. I would have obeied irregardless, but it was really great the way that He comforted me. Because God really does love women; and I think Paul came around to understanding that before he finished his run. Oh, and you might also read Acts 1:13-14. Jesus had told them all, the men and the women, to go back to Jerusalem and wait, and in Acts 1:13,14, there they are, the men and the women, praying and worshiping and waiting together as they had been commanded. Even though that was against their Jewish/Temple Law--the same one which was the basis for Paul's saying above. It was only when they disregarded that Law and were obedient to Jesus, that the Holy Spirit came to them. Jesus told them it would, because He knew they would obey Him. That act of Faith and obedience breaking down prejudice and traditonal walls invited the Holy Spirit to work as it would.---So you want to go back to the Law? |
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