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81 | Effective and accomplish are energeo | James 5:16 | terrib | 149265 | ||
Hi Searcher, The point I was making was in verses 14-15: is there any sick call for the elders to pray and anoint with oil and the prayer of faith will save the sick and the Lord will raise him up and if he has sin it will be forgiven. That is a finished work. In verse 16 now, the Scripture tells us to pray for one another that we may be healed. This is a different situation now that we are praying for each other because, above, the elders were praying for us and anointing with oil. This is why I was concerned about the word 'therefore' in verse 16, because by using the word it connects or carries on from verse 15. And one of the two Greek lexicons I looked at does not use the word and the other does. Therefore, I stated that verse 16 starts a new thought and is not still talking about healing the physically sick as in verse 14 -15, but is now talking about offences toward a brother, a spiritual healing. Then James talks about Elijah as being just a man as we are and just how powerful prayer can be. So powerful, it can dry up the earth. Permit me to share with you a true story about effectual pray. Jim Vines, a young man that surrendered to Jesus the same time I did, was hiking in the Sierra Mountains in California. A huge boulder became dislodged and was tumbling down the edge of the mountain straight toward young Mr. Vines. He heard it's sound, turned around and the only two words that came out of his mouth was, "Jesus! - No!", and the boulder exploded right in front of him and he didn't have a scratch. If he kept his mouth shut, he would be dead. He stood up in church the next Sunday with the rest of the church group that was with him and testified of this. Well, being Pentecostal, I tell you we had a good time in the Lord. Praising and singing, no, we didn't roll on the floor. So, the effectual fervent prayer of this baby Christian did availeth much. We were so young, I don't know if we even knew about this verse. But God did! I said all that to say all this, I am settled with the answers I have been given by the forum. Thanks, terrib |
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82 | Effective and accomplish are energeo | James 5:16 | terrib | 149261 | ||
You are right, I was wrong, the therefore is there therefore the therefore I was talking about was therefore connecting verse 15. :-) terrib |
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83 | Effective and accomplish are energeo | James 5:16 | terrib | 149250 | ||
Tim, I did a quick research on James 5:16 and looked at two lexicons. As far as I can see: Stephen's Textus Receptus (1550) does Not contain 'oun'. Wescott-Hort (1881) Does contain 'oun'. Personally, I see a great difference in using the "therefore" and connecting verses 14 and 15 with verse 16. I think is has to do with the word 'healed' since 14,15 talk about sickness, for we relate the word 'healed' to physical most of the time. Just as I don't use "By His stripes we are healed" as being physical. (Please anybody; let's not go there). Maybe you can offer more light on this for me. It really bugs me when I come across this kind of thing and I'm not satisfied until I'm satisfied. Do you know what I mean? And, no, I'm not from Missouri.:) I read from a Thompson Chain Reference Bible and the margin notes also refer to spiritual healing, understanding that he is just a man also. Do you have a preference between the two lexicons listed above? Others may say, "Ask God for help", yes, and sometimes God uses others to answer the prayer. Thanks Tim for your help! terrib |
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84 | Effective and accomplish are energeo | James 5:16 | terrib | 149242 | ||
Well, then, I guess I will have to re-think about this verse. For I have always considered it as being some conflict or fault between brothers. As does Clarke, Gill, Wesley and Henry. Thanks, terrib |
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85 | Effective and accomplish are energeo | James 5:16 | terrib | 149239 | ||
Not according to the Translation box to the right. |
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86 | Effective and accomplish are energeo | James 5:16 | terrib | 149237 | ||
Hi Searcher56, Concerning James 5:16 The NASB, ESV and ISV includes the word "Therefore" in the translations. The use of this word connects James 5:16 to verse 15. Without the use of this word verse 16 starts a new thought. Even on this forum the NASB and the Amplified Bible versions are different. If we use the "therefore" word, the thought of praying for the physically sick could be carried on. If we do Not use this word the thought would be: Confess our offenses to one another and the healing would be a spiritual restoration. Just look at the two Scriptures at the top of this forum page. As printed, the two versions (NASB and Amplified) have two different meanings. James 5:16 (because I read the verse without the "therefore") means that if you have faulted your brother you should confess to him so that both can pray over the transgression and the emnity that the transgression produced can be resolved. Thus restoring or healing the relationship. And earnest prayer of the righteous will have great power. Then in verse 17 James gives an example of that power and reminding us that Elijah was human also. Some comments on this would be appreciated. I don't see the "oun" (therefore) in the Greek being used. Uses the therefore: NASB - New American Standard Bible ESV - English Standard Version ISV - International Standard Version Does Not use the therefore: ASV - American Standard Version CEV - Contempary English Version DRB - Douay-Rheims Bible KJV - King James Version LITV - Literal Translation of the Bible MKJV - Modern King James Version Starting with verse 13a is a new subject. afflicted verse 13b is a new subject. joyful verse 14 is a new subject. physical healing verse 16 is a new subject. spiritual healing verse 19 is a new subject. falling away Thanks, terrib |
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87 | denominations_. | Mark 9:38 | terrib | 149069 | ||
Hi Doc, From reading most of the thread on denominations, the theme has been that of doctrines and not of unbelievers. If it were talking about heathens, sects or cults then 2 Cor. 6 would apply. Not everyone in the body of Christ is at the same level. We each have our own faith as we will and as Christ has given to us. Some are at a point where the Holy Spirit has not educated them yet or as Paul puts it, still drinking milk. And this will depend upon their willingness to move forward which again Paul exhorts us to move on, (Heb 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, Heb 6:2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.) But, they are still our brothers and we should lift them up to the Lord. Not keep slicing each other’s throat, especially in public that it may destroy any. For, I too am your brother and when observing behavior or spirit that is not profitable it is the duty of a brother to exhort others. Just as we all have seen exhortation on the forum before, this is no new thing. It is not the way of salvation that has come under fire but the more meaty aspects of our Christian walk. If I said that Adam had red skin, someone would ask what shade of red. It’s called the splitting of hairs or endless genealogies. But divisions about things are not healthy to another's walk. I don’t believe that I am the only one reading between the lines, am I? A really regrettable item is the grate one gets dragged over when someone tries to point out heretical doctrines of a Very Popular Church. The forum calls this a type of bashing but Rev. 18:4 warns to come out of her. (And I did read a couple of posts ago where you did an excellent job about many being burned for one’s belief.) But, this also is our vocation. There are some very intelligent folks here and their wisdom shines through and we are all blessed by their wisdom and this is a great gift from our Father. There are also many, “I believe it says” types also, giving opinions that are unfounded or un-researched. If Paul were alive today and was writing an epistle to the church based on his readings of some postings, surely his tone would not be as gentle. With a sincere desire to see the church fitted together, terrib Thanks for your wisdom, you are one of those I mentioned above. Now, don't go out and buy a new hat. :-) |
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88 | denominations_. | Mark 9:38 | terrib | 149045 | ||
Dearest denominations, Mar 9:38 And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us. Mar 9:39 But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me. Mar 9:40 For he that is not against us is on our part. Mar 9:41 For whosoever shall give you a cup of water to drink in my name, because ye belong to Christ, verily I say unto you, he shall not lose his reward. There are some who are so outrageously wedded to their own creed, and religious system, that they would rather let sinners perish than suffer those who differ from them to become the instruments of their salvation. Even the good that is done they either deny or suspect, because the person does not follow them. This also is vanity and an evil disease. And sometimes the eye will say to the foot, I have no need of you. And when the foot gets cut off the whole body suffers. Tolerate one another and if subjects become intolerable to one or the other then do not discuss them. If my brother does not partake of the things on the table that is before me, then I will not partake either, lest he stumbles. Forbearance is a life style not an art. Parting is not an option it is an escape. terrib |
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89 | Being in debt. | Rom 13:8 | terrib | 149029 | ||
Dear Forum, Rom 13:8 "Owe no man any thing..." Some use this for any type of debt owed. If so, all Christians should be aware of an article that appears in todays "Tucson Citizen" newspaper frontpage. It is incredible! Article: "Debt disaster lurks in the fine print" Read it at : http://www.tucsoncitizen.com I know this is not so much a Bible Study subject but it is something ALL Christians should be aware of. And we are supposed to help each other. Right? terrib |
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90 | The gift of God | Mark 1:10 | terrib | 148896 | ||
Yes, I was wondering if any would recognize it. Indeed, we have awakened. For we have drank the Living Waters. terrib |
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91 | The gift of God | Mark 1:10 | terrib | 148841 | ||
Ray, In my previous note I used "offered the women through Him". That should be "woman", singular, the person He was talking to. It was a typo. There goes my job as newspaper editor :-). terrib |
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92 | The gift of God | Mark 1:10 | terrib | 148839 | ||
Ray, Concerning Joh 4:10 (KJV) "Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water." You wrote: I see Jesus as saying, "If you had the living water -- if you knew the gift of God -- you would know who He is who is speaking to you." I wrote: I see the gift as being Jesus Himself and the salvation He offered the women through Him. I actually think that our meanings are the same except yours omits the “acceptance and repentance” or the “asking” aspect for the gift He was offering. For when I first learned of our Lord I was asking, asking for answers; answers to questions I really didn’t know. Then, after hearing of this gift and accepting what I heard and being made aware of my ways and repenting, the living water was given. And this is why He opened the dialog with this woman. The gifts of the above Scripture are all Jesus (not oneness); we cannot separate them? This is one of the great visual pictures of the grace of God. Perhaps a short history of the Samaritans would be advantageous to the other readers following this thread. Samaritans: The name given to the new and mixed inhabitants whom Esarhaddon (677 B.C.), the king of Assyria, brought from Babylon and other places and settled in the cities of Samaria, instead of the original inhabitants whom Sargon (721 B.C.) had removed into captivity (2Ki 17:24; compare Ezr 4:2, Ezr 4:9, Ezr 4:10). These strangers (compare Luk 17:18) amalgamated with the Jews still remaining in the land, and gradually abandoned their old idolatry and adopted partly the Jewish religion. After the return from the Captivity, the Jews in Jerusalem refused to allow them to take part with them in rebuilding the temple, and hence sprang up an open enmity between them. They erected a rival temple on Mount Gerizim, which was, however, destroyed by a Jewish king (130 B.C.). They then built another at Shechem. The bitter enmity between the Jews and Samaritans continued in the time of our Lord: the Jews had “no dealings with the Samaritans” (Joh 4:9; compare Luk 9:52, Luk 9:53). Our Lord was in contempt called “a Samaritan” (Joh 8:48). Many of the Samaritans early embraced the gospel (John 4:5-42; Act 8:25; Act 9:31; Act 15:3). Of these Samaritans there still remains a small population of about one hundred and sixty, who all reside in Shechem, where they carefully observe the religious customs of their fathers. They are the “smallest and oldest sect in the world.” (Easton’s Bible Dictionary) Jesus has always reached out to the politically incorrect and the socially poor. Without change, something sleeps deep inside us. (?) terrib |
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93 | Gatekeeper's charge to warn of danger | Ezek 33:6 | terrib | 147963 | ||
Seeker1940 and Brothers, Eze 33:6 But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand. Ah...how this has hit a target in my heart. Thank you for opening this vision up to me again. For I see in me a certain complacency in the comfort in Christ. And I also see a time when I am not doing all that I can and am able to do for my Savior. "but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand". Thy judgment has come into my heart, Oh Lord. My God, my Father, forgive me for not doing all I can do. I see the sword coming and I have not sounded the alarm. I am worse than a worm. I have let my enemy overthrow me. Safe in my world I venture not out. I have betrayed my love. My God, my Father, forgive me. The tears are on my pillow and I put a cover over my head. I see the eye of the Lord upon me and He sees my workings. My God, my Father, forgive me. terrib |
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94 | Any Hebrew translators out there? | Josh 22:22 | terrib | 147931 | ||
Hi Ray, I did a search in three versions of the Bible. KJV: Search phrase: "The LORD God of gods" (as it appears in KJV) One occurrence at: Jos 22:22 The same three words (El Elohim Yehovah) are used in Psa 50:1, but the KJV does not translate them the same as in Jos 22:22. NASB: Search phrase: "The Mighty One, God, the LORD" (as it appears in NASB) Two occurrences at: Jos 22:22 and Psa 50:1 American Standard(ASV) Search phrase: "The Mighty One, God, Jehovah" (as it appears in ASV) Two occurrences at: Jos 22:22 and Psa 50:1 Psa 50:1(KJV) «A Psalm of Asaph.» The mighty God, even the LORD, hath spoken, and called the earth from the rising of the sun unto the going down thereof. Psa 50:1(NASB) A Psalm of Asaph. The Mighty One, God, the LORD, has spoken, And summoned the earth from the rising of the sun to its setting. Psa 50:1(ASV) The Mighty One, God, Jehovah, hath spoken, And called the earth from the rising of the sun unto the going down thereof. Concerning the three words (El Elohim Yehovah), "Albert Barnes' Notes on the Bible" does reference Psa 50:1 as does "Keil and Delitzsch Commentary on the Old Testament". Just something to think about. NOTE: I replaced the "greater than" and the "less than" symbols in the KJV of Psa 50:1 with « and » because the forum does not allow those characters. terrib |
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95 | Are there angels before earth was formed | Gen 1:1 | terrib | 147884 | ||
Greetings 29602004, Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. The plural of heaven is used here because God seperated the firmament into various parts. Reference Genesis 1:1 where it is singular, "the heaven and the earth". Host here refers to all the things that were created, sun, moon, stars, planets, plants, animals and humans. Also the words are, [sh âm ayîm], "skies", being the "high" or [(sh am ay), "be high", in Arabic] being "airy" region; the overarching dome of space, with all its revolving orbs. Thus it has to do with the visible elements of our universe. Deu 23:9 When the host goeth forth against thine enemies, then keep thee from every wicked thing. Host here refers to the encampment of men that will fight. The armies of Israel. Psa 27:3 Though an host should encamp against me, my heart shall not fear: though war should rise against me, in this will I be confident. Host here again refers to an army of human enemies, not angels. If it refered to angels then David would fear because then he would know that God was against him. Psa 33:16 There is no king saved by the multitude of an host: a mighty man is not delivered by much strength. Host here refers to the amount of military strength that a king might have. He may be at the head of a numerous army, and yet not get the victory over a lesser one. Psa 103:21 Bless ye the LORD, all ye his hosts; ye ministers of his, that do his pleasure. His armies; the vast multitudes of holy beings (angels), arranged and marshalled as hosts for battle, in all parts of the universe. Ye ministers of his - The same beings referred to by the word “hosts,” and all others who may be employed in executing his will. The “hosts” or armies of the Lord are thus marshalled that they may “do his pleasure,” or that they may execute his purposes. We have to be careful when we read some of the words that have different meanings. The need to view the entire thought of the verse and the context into which it is laid. If one is talking about going to battle and say that a host also will go, I am not talking about angels but an encampment of people. From what we are given in the Scriptures, we know that God created the angels. The Scriptures do not tell us exactly when they were created. All inferences in the Scriptures lead us to the presumption they were in existance before the heaven and the earth were created. For nowhere does it discuss their time of creation. As for a short thesis I would offer this: God is Holy, a word we don't see much of, and He will not accept anything unholy. Satan rebelled against God and left his first estate and took with him some of the angels. In God's devine wisdom and justice he had to have a judicial way to pass His judgement on such an unholy rebellion. God, in His wisdom and mercy created the world and man, a lower form of creature than the angels, as Satan is, as a way to pass this devine justice upon Satan. That man, a lowly creature could and would be the instrument that would judge Satan in the end. For justice could not just destroy that which was created and mercy would not be served. By giving His Son to come into the world and show this lowly creature, man, the majesty and fairness of the Lord God, the triumph of man, Jesus, would pass judgement on the principalities of evil. Are we pawns, well some might look at it that way, but we are the creation of the Holy God, in His image, having been given some of His attributes. Though it is not just a whim on His part but He loves all His creations and He sees in us the potential to be the best of all His creations for all times. And being the clay, we have no right to ask why the potter made us this way. The riches and mercies, the justice and holiness of God can not be uttered by human words but by gronings within the spirit of the man. As Scripture states, we wrestle against principalities and powers, and we will overcome and the scales will be balanced forever more. Thank you Father for Jesus, our savour. Amen. terrib P.S. You have responded to a post that is over 4 years old. Better late than never. Just kidding. Love you 29602004. |
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96 | Sermon will be taught on thi answer | Matthew | terrib | 147838 | ||
Greetings Gordoncym20, I was wondering if your note was to be in the form of a question? Also, could you tell us who is going to give the sermon? Thanks, terrib |
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97 | how did satan survive the flood? | Gen 7:23 | terrib | 147769 | ||
Hi 29602004, First to recall is, angels, fallen or otherwise, are not omnipresent. You wrote: "that means satan cannot cross the boundries that god set from the thrid heaven which lets me know this is how he survived the flood.he is limited from earth to the thrid heaven" If he were bound to the third heaven, then how did he possess the serpent and appear to Eve? If he were bound to the third heaven, he could not have tempted Christ in the wilderness. And, when God asked him where he had been, he said, (Job 2:2) "...From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it." How did he touch Job? (Job 2:7) "So went Satan forth from the presence of the LORD, and smote Job with sore boils from the sole of his foot unto his crown." So, upon leaving the "presence of the Lord", he came to earth and touched Job. The devil being here, on Earth: Joh 12:31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out. Joh 14:30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me. I don't see any indication that Satan is bound to the third heaven. It is agreed that he and his do fear the Lord, (Mat 8:29) "And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?". Interesting to note that the demons requested the swine, the dirty detestable creature, and, at the time, forbidden to eat. Kinda tells us the nature of these creatures, doesn't it? (rhetorical). So, to answer your question directly, "how did satan survive the flood", Scripture does not say, directly. And lastly: You are absolutely correct, Jesus is our well spring of Living Water. terrib Maybe you would like to fill-in your profile. It is always interesting to know about other brothers and sisters and some of their experiences. |
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98 | How does death work in us? | 2 Cor 4:12 | terrib | 147714 | ||
Hi Mommapbs, It is not so twisted, mommapbs, the seed that dies and is put in the ground will bring forth fruit, and what comes forth does not look like that that was put in the ground. So, we also, being put in the ground are not the same. 1Co 15:37 and that which you sow, you do not sow the body which is to be, but a bare grain, perhaps of wheat or of something else. 1Co 15:38 But God gives it a body just as He wished, and to each of the seeds a body of its own. So it is in the natural, so it is in the spiritual. From death comes life; from Adam's spiritual death came Jesus, life. From Jesus's natural death comes spiritual life. And our acceptance of Him is death to the old but life to the new. We have much to be thankful for! 1Co 15:58 Therefore, my beloved brethren, be steadfast, immovable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, knowing that your toil is not in vain in the Lord. Better stop now or I'll go into a sermon. terrib |
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99 | How does death work in us? | 2 Cor 4:12 | terrib | 147713 | ||
Hi kalos, Your response is absolutely correct, the entire context has to do with physical penalties for preaching. And why is it that he faced these dangers everyday? The dangers he encountered were a direct consequence from preaching the gospel? Which he did not have to choose; having a free will. His choice lead him to this time of physical threat and his choice, of saving his own neck or dying to self-preservation, was to die in Christ and take the abuse of physical threat for the kingdom. Thus, I see the physical torment and the more base desire to do God's will. If it were just physical, how could he die every day? (although the idea intended is clear). As you wrote, "Paul continually risked his life in self-sacrificing ministry.". Doesn't this mean dying to self? Is that a physical descision or a spiritual descision? "I endure so many sufferings and persecutions, that it may be said to be a daily dying. I am constantly in danger of my life; and my sufferings each day are equal to the pains of death."(Albert Barnes' Notes on the Bible) "...he always bore in his body the dying of the Lord Jesus, and was continually delivered to death for Jesus' sake; death was always working in him, he expected it every day, and was ready for it; he did not count his life dear unto himself, but was very willing to lay it down for the sake of Christ and his Gospel..."(John Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible) So, the point that was made to Mommapbs, was dying to self, to do the things that are necessary to further the gospel, either in physical peril and offering of our lives or self abasement. accepting your view also, terrib |
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100 | god helps those who help themselves | Prov 28:26 | terrib | 147620 | ||
Hi Merv, Yes, I do, but this is off the subject of this thread. 2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. And I will not debate on this forum about other religions. If you want to email me, my address is in my profile and we can share what we both have learned. terrib |
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