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81 | When will I speak/pray in tongues? | Acts 2:6 | The Disciple | 27871 | ||
ashestobeauty, When I posted the question, I knew the responses I would get. There was intention to it, in the fact that I really want to know more about what alot of people call "the tongues issue". I have only gone to one church in my 10yrs as a Christian. And it happens to be AG. The first time I heard someone speak in a tongue I was totally freaked out. (which I find is common...both tongues and people freaking) An interpretation was then followed and a brief explanation by our pastor to what had transpired. Since then, many times I heard tongues ...no interpretation....words of knowledge with out tongues...and I can go on. But let me tell you, the first time was enough for me to seek counsel directly. And I did, first with questions to my wife who didnt know what to anwer other than look into HIS word. So I did, and 10yrs later...I dont think I have the total correct answer but I do believe I have a good grasp of what the tongues is for and how it should be utilized. We learn alot from 1Corinthians 12,13,14. And a few other books, but this letter by Paul was most influential in my conclusion. At this point I would hope you will allow me to address your post to Hank and Kalos. Please dont take this as a picking on you letter. I am not. I am only trying to help myself into a better understanding of this issue and hopefully to learn from it. I read literally everything I see and try to make a sense about it. So to your letter I saw some things I'd like to address and maybe learn from. In your first sentences you state that tongues is evedence that you are saved. You followed that quoting, "you shall know them by their fruit." I concur with the fruit as being a good helps in judging someones salvation. But I cannot say tongues is one of those fruit. The "fruit" that so often is quoted by US all I have found, is strictly the characteristics we are to have working through us, which is an extension of AGAPE love from the Lord. Gal 5:22,23 I would also like to know more about what you mean by: "It is one thing to have the Holy Sirit "dwelling in you" but you go to a whole other level when you allow Him to work in you, one of the ways to do this is through taking advantage of your gift of "speaking in tongues". You are giving Him Power to work in and through you." Your gift of tongues? Is it for everyone? IF so, and I do believe it is a gift from HIM ..just like all his other power gifts and less powerful gifts. Then why do I not flow in it? Could It be that I am trying to intelligize it or that I dont believe enough or that it isnt one of the gifts to work along the others HE has given me? You see, these questions have been usuals for me with this topic. I get told things like: I can enter a whole new/better/understandable level with God. Until, I start speaking/praying in tongues I dont know what I am missing out on. Your praying correctly to God for those things I dont know what to pray. I can add so many more to the list. I am not trying to say that your experience with this wonderful gift is wrong. I am not trying to dissuade your belief on this gift. All I want to say is....Godspeed to you m'lady. You have a wonderful understanding with HIM in this regard. As do I with the gift of prophecy and love and mercy, administration and teaching. Without those gifts from HIM I would not be who I am today in this world. Nor could I be discipled and be a discipler. Glory goes to HIM in the highest. ...Lord dont let me convolute the story... *SHALOM* |
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82 | When will I speak/pray in tongues? | Acts 2:6 | The Disciple | 27872 | ||
JOE!!!! wheweeeeeeeee..........there ya goooooooo...again. Seems your a hardline advocate to Sola Scritpura....praise the LORD. Ive asked so many over these short 10yrs... it its extra-biblical ...should we be adherrring to it? emaile me sometime and i would enjoy sending you some of my devotions. josh2415@bigfoot.com *SHALOM* |
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83 | When will I speak/pray in tongues? | Acts 2:6 | The Disciple | 27873 | ||
EdB, IF I may? Thank you for your wonderful crispness and unselfish thoughts. Eloquence was used because your words were very well stated. It is nice to see a reasoned effort on your part to substantiate your love for the Lord in the way HE works. YOur love is not much different than mine, ashestobeauty, Hank, kalos, and the rest ive not mentioned. Your words sound alot like what Paul was saying "I would rather speak 5 words in my lingo than 5,000 in a tongue". It isnt surprising to me that TODAY is any different than Paul's day with the abuses we find. It shouldnt be, we were forwarned by Jesus and others. Godspeed to you .... **SHALOM** |
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84 | When will I speak/pray in tongues? | Acts 2:6 | The Disciple | 27874 | ||
Bob, thank you for being HIS follower and listening to all the words spoken here. thank you also for listening to HIM when you came here to answer a question. Godspeed ! *SHALOM* |
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85 | Define "praying in the Holy Spirit" | Acts 2:6 | The Disciple | 27875 | ||
robert, you say in the end of your letter that you dont think the apostles were speaking in tongues..rather than people hearing their lingo. I dont know what you mean...especially when Peter stood up and quoted JOEL...the prophecy of tongues was included in that dissertation. Previous to that, you stated, the HS guiding our thoughts toward Christ at a much higher level?? I have to ask like ashestobeauty did....What is praying in the spirit? and now...understanding in the spirit? Now im starting to get confused. *SHALOM* |
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86 | When will I speak/pray in tongues? | Acts 2:6 | The Disciple | 28067 | ||
ethan, thank you for the letter of exhortation. you are truly appreciated. have you read any of the other letters from the others on my question??? if not, i dare say...Please do so and let us search HIS word for the desire of HIS heart. Godspeed, *SHALOM* |
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87 | When will I speak/pray in tongues? | Acts 2:6 | The Disciple | 28069 | ||
ethan, if you get a chance....read my note i left 12/20 11:09 pm.... |
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88 | When will I speak/pray in tongues? | Acts 2:6 | The Disciple | 28070 | ||
Nolan, Thank you for the post. Have you read my post from 12/20 11:09pm ?? OH how i can goooooo on n on....seems the church TODAY is not too far from the Corinthian church in Paul's day ....ya think?? *SHALOM* |
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89 | Define "praying in the Holy Spirit" | Acts 2:6 | The Disciple | 28073 | ||
Robert, blessings to you.! I agree with most of what you are saying. No buts included....ehehehe I sure would enjoy hearing a concise explanation for verses 15, 16 in 1Cor 14 these seem to tell me that the LORD wants me to be able to reason with HIM even when praying. but then...i could be convoluting the story...which i dont want *SHALOM* |
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90 | When will I speak/pray in tongues? | Acts 2:6 | The Disciple | 28121 | ||
ethan, firstly,please explain what you mean by 4 things destroy faith: Fear, Doubt, Reason and Anxiety. You see I do believe 3 of those 4 are characterisitics that show a lack of faith. Reason isnt one of them. So, if you please. Explain how it does. 2ndly, If I may be so bold as to ask. Where did you reason your words about power, authority etc? I have to ask because it would seem you are using "dunamos" out of context with what you said about satan wanting our authority etc. But since you didnt give any scriptual reference I cant qualify a rebuttal of any consenquence. 3rdly, Do you understand the Corinthian letter from Paul was a total rebuke of what they were doing in the church there? Paul was letting them know that they were abusing the spiritual gifts given by the Holy Spirit for the "edification" of the church. Not to used for self edification. Several times Paul said let what ever they do be to edify the church. The times he said self was edified was in contrast to the church. In the context and tone of the letter he was letting them know that when they used the gifts for self they were out of order. With the tongues especially. We notice that, because he wrote about it and qualified its importance in 2 chapters. Namely 12 and 14, and in between he wanted us to know what was more important. Chapter 13 ... the LOVE chapter. You see, when it came to the church, JESUS was most adamant that we LOVE one another more than ourselves. That was HIS 2nd command. If we are using the gifts of the Spirit for our self acknowledgement or self gratification or as prooooof to ourselves and to others that we are OF HIM then we may be missing the whole point of the use of the gift. Namely, for the edification of the church. In cases like what Ashestobeauty wrote about how this gift has helped her life....PRAISE GOD ....you see she didnt use it covetously. Hence, the Holy Spirit gave her this gift for helps and mercy. Covetousness is the most lethal of all characteristics of PRIDE. WEll i think it is anyway. Desiring a gift like Paul says in this letter is different from coveting. Coveting is a form of self absorbtion. There is no ryhme or reason other than "me me me me" when it comes to coveting. Righeous Desire is given to someone by the Holy Spirit that helps to edify the church. Without the help of the Holy Spirit all we do is in our own authority. And right now backing what i just said Scriptually escapes me....forgive me. Let us not convolute HIS story..... *shalom* |
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91 | When will I speak/pray in tongues? | Acts 2:6 | The Disciple | 28239 | ||
ethan, I havent read all of what you posted yet. I have only seen what you said about REASON...and you havent explained what you mean to me. maybe im just really dense. Reason defined is like what the Lord said Isaiah 1:18. "Come let US reason together.." Whatever we hear, read, or see...we need to reason it with HIM. Thru HIS scripture, and only HIS scripture. We cannot deduce from our own worldly views, we need to consider seeing things thru HIS eyes as best we can. We can find HIS eyes in HIS words. Your defining of reason is a good example...but is it the same one HE would have used? I leave with that in mind as i peruse the rest of your post. *shalom* |
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92 | When will I speak/pray in tongues? | Acts 2:6 | The Disciple | 28240 | ||
Emmaus, Thank you for your reply. If you look at my other posts in response to the other find bretheren in here. You will find that I too am in favor of the "more excellent way" in 1Cor12. That is exactly what I pray for over all the other gifts he desires to give us. I have been blessed with the other gifts that are not as "initial?" according to some views. It would seem this ISSUE is very discerning. Read all the posts attributed to this and find out how discerning. May the LORD continue to Bless you Emmaus, *SHALOM* |
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93 | When will I speak/pray in tongues? | Acts 2:6 | The Disciple | 28241 | ||
ethan, Ps 24:1, "The earth is the Lords and all its fullness. The world and those who dwell therein." Ps 50:10-12, "For every beast of the forest is Mine, the cattle on a thousand hills...the wild beasts of the field are Mine...For the world is Mine, and all its fullness." Ex 19:5, "...if indeed you will obey My voice ...for all the earth is Mine." Ex 9:29, "...that you may know that the earth is the Lords" I'm not sure you understand who has the "title deed" to the earth. Could it be that Satan was trying to be a counterfiet owner? We do know he is the father of lies, deciet,etc. When Satan with the other sons of God came to GOD in Job 1:6-8, this shows me that God gave him free reign to go to and from and back and forth and THEN let him touch his child. Satan didnt have ownership, he was given permission. more to follow... *shalom* |
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94 | Is "heavenly prayer language" Biblical | Acts 2:6 | The Disciple | 28242 | ||
Rick01, I sent you an email, I hope you will respond. *SHALOM* |
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95 | Is "heavenly prayer language" Biblical | Acts 2:6 | The Disciple | 28243 | ||
Searcher? You mean to tell me that the Bible doesnt even IMPLY a heavely language? But what about the argument of "tongues of angels" that alot of folk like to use? You dont need to respond, I know what your answer will be...the same as mine. I am only responding to give you my email. email me sometime ... josh2415@bigfoot.com *SHALOM* |
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96 | Define "praying in the Holy Spirit" | Acts 2:6 | The Disciple | 28245 | ||
Brother Tim, What a Blessing you are in here and on this subject amongst other subjects Ive seen your posts. May the Lord continue to richly bless you in your gifts that are sooooo visible. *shalom* |
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97 | When will I speak/pray in tongues? | Acts 2:6 | The Disciple | 28249 | ||
ethan, I was born to create? what happened to pro-create? When you say we can create, do you mean we have the power to speak something into existence? If so, ohhhhhh boyyyyyyy....is that ever another disertation to wrestle with. Walking in the image of God? We were created in His image...not AS Him. Seems some more counerfeitism at work to me...just like when satan said the 5 "I will's". Isaiah 14:12-20 He said I will be like...not I will be or did he? Ezek 28:14-19 shows his origin too as well as...Rev 12:7-9;Gen3:1-7; John 8:44 I am not trying to grieve your spirit. I am merely asking questions to the origin of your thought. I only hope to expose what you think you know and what you seem to understand. And of course I do the same for myself with my reposts. I truly enjoy trying to "rightly divide the worth of truth". But I only do so with the word of truth. I try to keep my human influence uninvolved. If I am not, please tell me so. I need to be held accountable in all I do. Prov15:28a is a verse I try to keep as a standard when questions arise in my mind or from another. I cannot allow my experiences be the only TAP of information when it comes to "contending" for my faith. You spoke of a dream that told you, "that when Love comes, the Power gifts will follow. I believe this because..." I have to ask, did you try to find out if your dream holds up to the final court of arbitration? Did you ask the Lord to help you in an interpretation of the dream and then follow up by searching HIS WORD to see if it holds up and lines up Biblically? These are things we ALWAYS need to consider when it comes to testing false teachings, spirits, etc. We need to ONLY search HIS Word to find out if it is "good". If it isnt..then we need to dispose of it. We cannot rely on "That bares witness to my spirit" attitudes. You see, we are carnal by nature and not spiritual. Our flesh is at work to destroy us as well as Satan. The book of Romans will substantiate that thought. If we hear something, see something, feel something that says it is of GOD. Should we rely on our ears, eyes, emotions as the reason for our answer? If something is of GOD then it WILL stand up to deep scrutiny, even when it is scrutinized by the Bible. With all that said, I certainly hope we can continue dialogue on many other subjects. I hope we are both prepared to be held accountable for we say. One last comment, you said I should do a study on Mercy. I have. And the Lord has been. With you and with me in this forum. Something provacative to think about, eh? *SHALOM* |
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98 | Define "praying in the Holy Spirit" | Acts 2:6 | The Disciple | 28463 | ||
wdc, THANK YOU FOR POINTING THAT OUT...forgive my lack of NOT looking into it before posting. I will not presume to know it all ....LOL BLESSINGS..... |
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99 | When will I speak/pray in tongues? | Acts 2:6 | The Disciple | 28465 | ||
wdc, LORD Bless you mightilty. Please for all of our own sake, do not consider yourself an unequal to those posting thier views or rightly dividing the word of truth. What you said in your last post was LOVELY and GOOD. Words of exhortation we all should consider. BRING IT ON... my brother/sister in CHRIST. *SHALOM* |
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100 | When will I speak/pray in tongues? | Acts 2:6 | The Disciple | 28466 | ||
ethan, WOW...very interesting indeed. I shall consider what you posted here and look into your following scripture verses and glean all the good I can. thank you ...!!! **SHALOM* |
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