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741 | NASB Updated and ESV. | 1 Chr 20:3 | flinkywood | 86342 | ||
Justme, I ain't all that intelligent, believe you me. If my dog Flinky could speak, he'd spout reams of all the dopiness he's seen me do. My wife even says, "This is my husband, I can't help it." Anyway, I go to the ESV for comparison and am not drawn to it in any deeper way. I actually like the lumpy grits style of NASB over the crystaline, studied brevity of the ESV. The NASB95 has punctuation errors (2 Chron 9.8 lacks a comma after "Israel"); is occasionally ungrammatical (James 3.4 desperately needs "they" after "winds" to make it a complete sentence); and can do violence to a good psalm (Psalm 1 is a prime example), but it has a studious, workmanlike earnestness; it tries hard to be what it is, and that appeals to me. Having said all that, I find the NKJV a better read in the OT. I also like its unique way of acknowledging CT texts variants in the margins of the NT, something no other translation does, or might dare to do. It is also "literal". I agree with you about the NRSV. Colin. |
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742 | NASB Updated and ESV. | 1 Chr 20:3 | flinkywood | 86189 | ||
I use both. In the Psalms, ESV is close to the KJV, where the NASB is not. Esv also has a better handle on the distinction between "shall" and "will" than either the KJV or NASB, but in all versions, these future tenses are employed haphazardly (compare Psalm 63 in these translations). For musicality, style, concision. I vote ESV over NASB in the Psalms and in most poetical areas of the OT, Isaiah in particular. In the NT, it's the NASB all the way. The ESV's choice of "mind" over "heart" in 2 cor 9.7 may be acceptable, but it doesn't sound either right or memorable: "Each one must give as he has made up his mind..." (ESV) "Each one must do as he has purposed in his heart..." (NASB). The NASB is my preferred versus the ESV, which comes off as another language tweak among the many of today; for this reason, and some textual reasons as well, I prefer the NKJV by far over the ESV. I still urge you to consult the excellent exchange on this Forum when the ESV debuted, particularly Makarios' observations. It wasn't clear from your post whether you had done so. Colin |
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743 | NASB Updated and ESV. | 1 Chr 20:3 | flinkywood | 86064 | ||
Justme, do a search for esv and nasb on this site. Make your query exclude dates before Nov 2001. Colin. 1Ch 20:3 And he brought out the people that were in it, and cut them with saws, and with harrows of iron, and with axes. Even so dealt David with all the cities of the children of Ammon. And David and all the people returned to Jerusalem. KJV |
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744 | Prove all things hold fast to the good.. | 1 Cor 15:1 | flinkywood | 86037 | ||
Hank, it's Colin. I read the Forum from time-to-time but rarely want to contribute. In this case, however... I met 2 former WCG people. Their church busted up a few years ago because someone in authority finally had the guts to question Armstrong's tweaked-out doctrine and actually go read the bible. These 2 people gave me a book by the son of the last WCG Big Kahuna (post Armstrong), which described his father's awakening to the Gospel truth and the resultant, explosive breakup of the WCG. It was a nasty ride all the way: name-calling, threats, tears and the like, but the Holy Spirit brought a lot of people out of there. I don't think this goodnewsminister guy is a remnant of the WCG fanatical faithful, but he has a definite JW style, anti-hell jones working on him big-time. For most cults, and religion in general (Islam excepted here), hell takes a holiday so that Jesus can be demoted from the Son of God to a man, "a" god, an angel, a prophet or some post-facto allegorical device. Without hell you can deny the cross and call Jesus whatever you will. All religions do this to Him (Mohammed even said if you don't, you WILL go to hell!); and all religions suppress God's central work in unrighteousness: that Jesus died, in large measure, to save us from the wrath to come: 1 Th 1:10)...and to wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, that is Jesus, who rescues us from the wrath to come. (NASB). There's been a lot of trash-talk in here lately |
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745 | Wescott and Hort? | Bible general Archive 1 | flinkywood | 81113 | ||
Justme, the NWT cited by Truthfinder is the Jehovah's Witness bible. | ||||||
746 | Would you go to war if drafted? | Bible general Archive 1 | flinkywood | 80648 | ||
Nolan, I'm dusting off this old post because I just bought an ESV and am liking it. I began memorizing in the KJV about a year ago but fell away from that and into the NASB, where there are many great things happening, but not always musically enough to induce me to memorize from it, especially in the poetical chapters. Now comes the ESV, and if I hold these two up to the light of the Psalms or Songs, the NASB comes in second. The ESV sounds more fluid, lyrical, economical, which is why I haven't yet wanted to commit any NASB Psalms or songs to memory. On the other hand, I've not yet decided to memorize in the ESV either; it's too new, and many of it's syntactical innovations (1 Cor 10.13, for ex.) are a bit jarring to my ear. I'd like to pick one version and stick to it, as an old hand bible scholar friend once advised, and that version is slowly becoming the NASB, if I could just get past the weakness in question. How do you feel about ESV V. NASB Psalms, Songs? Are you tilting towards the ESV, or are you stil an ardent NASB man? Do you still memorize in it? Poetry and all? If not, why? Colin. |
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747 | Using the oldest manuscripts as best? | Mark 16:20 | flinkywood | 79765 | ||
Justme, modern textual criticism is in flux, which annoys many English speaking Christians, a fractious bunch by any definition. For my money it's the NASV, though I also read the NKJV, KJV, LITV, and now the ESV. Here's a link that might help answer your question. http://www3.sympatico.ca/jrm/kjv.htm Colin |
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748 | Originals? | Rev 22:18 | flinkywood | 79404 | ||
Yeah, prejudice wasn't Jesus' message. Look at how He electrified the Samaritan woman at the well (Joh 4.5-42). But wasn't she ripe for the harvest? Not everyone has ears to hear, apparently. As He said: "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him..." (Joh 6:44). To all religions our Christian witness has to be like Paul's: "For I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified." (1 Cor 2.2) This attitude buries prejudice. I don't say that from experience, but from the desire to have this attitude someday. I don't yet have the guts for it. Colin. |
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749 | Originals? | Rev 22:18 | flinkywood | 79387 | ||
I'm not intersted in the NWT, but that "Spinal Tap" rating sounds acceptable. JW's aren't interested in inductive argument, I don't know how you can reach them, but it's good, though frustrating, to argue with them. I have a copy of the Koran. I'd give it a 17 out of 20, with Dianetics somewhere nearby. I say 17 because I know a former Musilm, former Fatah sniper, who came to the Lord, so as pernicious as Koran is it can still be escaped. I don't know any Scientology converts or JW converts. (Maybe we put NWT farther out?) Interesting to note, meanwhile, that there are bundles of Christians amongst the Palestinians. I heard one missionary claim there are more Christians in Palestine, than Christians in Israel, by a long shot. Why isn't the fundamentalist Christian Church bringing this fact more to light? Could it be their strict adhesion to all things Israel? Don't Israeli Jews need Christ as much as the Palestinian Muslims? Christians are getting killed from all sides in the middle east; there's a lot of grey area there. |
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750 | Originals? | Rev 22:18 | flinkywood | 79379 | ||
Hank, did you know the JW's don't believe in hell? It's a handy disbelief when you also believe Jesus is the archangel Michael. That's right, the JW's preach that Jesus is really Michael. Isn't that something? So by this, not only is a savior unnecessary, any savior at all, our putative Savior is a liar. On a sliding scale, one being Jesus and ten being Mohammed, I'd give these guys a six. I like the heat this cult generates in this forum. |
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751 | Adam and Eve the first people created? | Luke 17:1 | flinkywood | 78445 | ||
Yes, my love did not "evolve" from dirt. | ||||||
752 | To be saved must we be baptised? | Acts 2:38 | flinkywood | 78412 | ||
I've read through this string and all your posts. It has caused me to examine some of the scriptures you cite, and to agree that you do have a strong scriptural argument. My understanding is that salvation comes through grace (Eph ch.2). There is also Jesus' declaration to Nicodemus in John ch.3. Also, if someone has no opportunity to be bapitzed (on the battlefield, on a deathbed, in a nursing home), it's difficult for me to believe God would not waive this in lieu of circumstance: witness the thief on the cross. I may be wrong, but I just can't square it with a doctrine of Grace as it feels too much like works, the fleshly stuff we think we have to do to earn His Grace. I wanted to be baptized. Afterwards I felt that I had crossed a threshold, "No turning back now, old boy." In fact, the pastor who baptized me asked me point blank whether I knew what I was doing and to explain my understanding before I went under in an outward sign of my identification with His death and resurrection. I'm still studying this subject, whether it's requisite for "translation", so I'll sign off this string for now. Colin |
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753 | To be saved must we be baptised? | Acts 2:38 | flinkywood | 78091 | ||
It got me thinking about the Ethiopian Eunich, how amped he was: "The eunuch answered Philip and said, "Please tell me, of whom does the prophet say this? Of himself or of someone else?" Then Philip opened his mouth, and beginning from this Scripture he preached Jesus to him. As they went along the road they came to some water; and the eunuch *said, "Look! Water! What prevents me from being baptized?" [And Philip said, "If you believe with all your heart, you may." And he answered and said, "I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God."] And he ordered the chariot to stop; and they both went down into the water, Philip as well as the eunuch, and he baptized him. When they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord snatched Philip away; and the eunuch no longer saw him, but went on his way rejoicing." (Act 8:34-39) "What prevents me..?" i.e. "My heart is bursting" "Disbelief." i.e. "The heart" "I believe." i.e "Heart and mind concur." Bang, zoom, splash, rejoice! Baptism is the candle on the birthday cake. Colin. |
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754 | I'm interested in the facts. | 1 John 4:1 | flinkywood | 76343 | ||
2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: Try this place for starters: http://www.cob-net.org/compare.htm |
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755 | WHERE TO FIND ALL THE NAMES OF GOD | Ps 83:18 | flinkywood | 76340 | ||
Truthfinder, Paul was a believer; you are not. Don't twist his words. You don't believe in Christ and you don't believe in hell: no judgement, no atonement. Do you imagine these wordsprays of yours will defend you on that day? You have evaded both questions and are a perfect watchtower soldier. No matter. I won't correspond with you again. |
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756 | WHERE TO FIND ALL THE NAMES OF GOD | Ps 83:18 | flinkywood | 76316 | ||
Truthfinder, this is a re-posting of what I asked you twice over the last 8 months, for which I haven't received your reply: A little while back I asked you to compare Abraham's faith to God's; you never responded to that particular question. To wit: Whereas the JW's state that Jesus is really the archangel Michael, a creation, and whereas Abraham was poised to sacrifice his own son, and God only a proxy creation (Michael-Jesus), not even so much as His own flesh and blood, who, therefore, has greater faith, Abraham, the father of Issac, or God, the father of...Michael the archangel?" Is Michael the real Son of God? Does Abraham have more faith than God? I also understand the JW's don't believe in hell, which is particularly handy when you don't believe in Jesus. If there ain't no hell, then what's Jesus-Michael saving us from? It's the pointless sacrifice of an angel, which probably nails the JW position on Jesus' true identity right to the wood: God's not fool enough to waste His blood on us. What a mess this JW thing is. The subject is faith and whether you got it, whether you got Jesus. Ask Jesus Himself who He is. All your Pharisitical JW word whacking is bloodless jive. |
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757 | WHERE TO FIND ALL THE NAMES OF GOD | Ps 83:18 | flinkywood | 76315 | ||
Truthfinder, this is a re-posting of what I asked you twice over the last 8 months, for which I haven't received your reply: A little while back I asked you to compare Abraham's faith to God's; you never responded to that particular question. To wit: Whereas the JW's state that Jesus is really the archangel Michael, a creation, and whereas Abraham was poised to sacrifice his own son, and God only a proxy creation (Michael-Jesus), not even so much as His own flesh and blood, who, therefore, has greater faith, Abraham, the father of Issac, or God, the father of...Michael the archangel?" Is Michael the real Son of God? Does Abraham have more faith than God? I also understand the JW's don't believe in hell, which is particularly handy when you don't believe in Jesus. If there ain't no hell, then what's Jesus-Michael saving us from? It's the pointless sacrifice of an angel, which probably nails the JW position on Jesus' true identity right to the wood: God's not fool enough to waste His blood on us. What a mess this JW thing is. The subject is faith and whether you got it, whether you got Jesus. Ask Jesus Himself who He is. All your Pharisitical JW word whacking is bloodless jive. |
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758 | Did David chop and roast the Amonites? | 1 Chr 20:1 | flinkywood | 76220 | ||
Yes, of course, but the question is about what really happened. Was it chop and roast? Or tools and toil? If there is no clear decision on translation, then we have to ask which version makes more sense for the time and the character of David. | ||||||
759 | Did David chop and roast the Amonites? | 1 Chr 20:1 | flinkywood | 76173 | ||
Both here and in 2 Sam 20.31, David is either "cutting them with" or "putting them to" various iron objects. In the former verse these are additionally either roasted or set to work in the brick kilns. Wow! The NASB and KJV have the ugly variation; the NKJV and NIV the gentle one, in which the inhabitants are disenfranchised but efficiently enslaved. A note in the NKJV shows the LXX as the source for the nastier version. This appears to be a fresh topic for this forum. I've tried to find studies on this; they are spare and rare. Pastor Chuck Smith avoids commentary on these verses altogether. God called David "a bloody man", but the bloodier take on these verses doesn't make sense to me: Jeffrey Dahmer, maybe, but King David? Kind of perverse, even for that guy and that time. Any clues on the nature of this discrepancy? |
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760 | WHERE TO FIND ALL THE NAMES OF GOD | Ps 83:18 | flinkywood | 75391 | ||
Truthfinder, A little while back I asked you to compare Abraham's faith to God's; you never responded to that particular question. To wit: whereas the JW's state that Jesus is really the archangel Michael, a creation, and whereas Abraham was ready to sacrifice his own son, while God, on the other hand, according to JW, sent down a proxy creation, not even His own blood; therefore, who has greater faith, Abraham, the father of Issaac, or God, the... but He can't be father to an angel, can He? Can you answer both these? I also understand that the JW's don't believe in hell. If there ain't no hell, what's Jesus saving us from? It's the pointless sacrifice of an angel, which probably nails the JW position on Jesus' true identity: God's too big to waste His own blood on a cross. |
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