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61 | post resurrection accounts | NT general Archive 1 | bubbatate | 53281 | ||
Tim, you want an example of where gospel accounts cannot be reconciled......here goes.....citing only post resurrection accounts: (by the way Steve and Hank….thanks for your input…..I had copied all four gospel accounts and had them side by side. I made a page with four columns inserting the information from each gospel in its respective column and tried to construct a coherent time line…..I couldn’t do it…..that was the maddening part.) #1 The cast of characters at the tomb vary in each gospel. #2 The dialogue at the tomb varied in each gospel. The most striking conflict is Y’shua saying, (Mt.28:10) “Go and tell my brothers to go to Galilee (about 80 miles from Jerusalem); there they will see me." (in Mk 16:7 the women get the same information but a “young man” is speaking about Y’shua, it is not Y’shua speaking.) The Galilee message was not mentioned in Lk nor Jn, nor did they see Him there in Mk, Lk or Jn. #3 The accounts of Y’shua first appearing to the disciples (and when and where) are all different. a) Eleven disciples are on the scene in all but Jn….where Thomas was absent. b) There are only accounts of one appearance to the disciples in Mt, Mk and Lk, but 3 appearances in John; in Acts 1:3, “He appeared to them over a period of forty days”. #4 Accounts of the Ascension differ: a)The Ascension is not mentioned in Matthew b)Mentioned in Mark 16:19 but “the most reliable early manuscripts and other ancient witnesses do not have Mark 16:9-20.” c)In Luke, He ascends on the same day as His resurrection. d)In John there is no record of the Ascension. If anyone can come up with a reckoning of all the events coming together in a coherent time line, with no inconsistencies, I would applaud his efforts. Is it me? Thanks all….. Bub |
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62 | post resurrection accounts | NT general Archive 1 | bubbatate | 53277 | ||
Dear David......no apology needed for "butting in", I don’t think there is such a thing on this forum. There's nothing I want more than the truth, believe me......but I've found I've been duped by going with what men have told me that the scriptures say or what they are. I'm passionate for the truth. I have to personally search for the answers to my questions rather than blindly following the common take on things……but the more I study the more questions I find to explore. This forum is great in that I can put out there what conclusions I have come to so that they can be challenged…….not for the sake of a mere intellectual boxing match…..but for a serious exploration for the truth. As I previously said, most Christians will say that every word of the Bible is God-breathed.....it was the post-resurrection accounts that left me scratching my head as to how this could be true…..Tim has asked for details, and I’ll try to get to that today. You cited II Ti 3:16-17, “All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.”. I know that this is commonly understood to mean from Genesis to Revelation……I always believed that, that’s what I was always told. However, think about it……..was Paul referring to the “New Testament”……was he thinking……”Well, I think I’ll sit down and write some New Testament scripture today.” The point being…..there was no “New Testament” for the first generation believers to consult……there was only the Law and Prophets. “Scripture” can refer to any use of “script”, any writing is “scripture”, but any time the New Testament writers are referring to “scripture”, as in “Holy Scripture” they cannot be pointing to their own writings…...they were speaking of the Law and Prophets. I’m counting on you guys to keep me honest…..thanks, Bub |
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63 | post resurrection accounts | NT general Archive 1 | bubbatate | 53215 | ||
Dear David F...... Re post resurrection accounts. We're talking about a chronological accounting of a specific event......some spiritual concepts may not initially make sense or add up, I can see how at some point in time one might come to an understanding. But when it comes to an historical account of an event, they should make sense and add up from the gitgo. Bub |
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64 | self control / spirit control | 1 Cor 9:25 | bubbatate | 52913 | ||
Dear 4 me, Parts 2 and 3 (I got long winded) of my response have shown up but it seems part one has not….so I’m repeating it here. I’m a neophyte to the Forum so I have no idea where part one got to. So here goes again. I Hope you’ll be able to get the whole package. I just tried to post this and it's too long, so this will be a two parter. I'm too detail oriented for this. Anyway...this is the beginning of the original note: I would like to expand further on the “answer you like”, which was excellent. What is the “truth and wisdom” we need? What is “His way” and “His authority” to which we must submit? First of all….what does the LORD say about His Spirit? That would be the first thing one would search out in contemplating a “Holy Spirit” dilemma. The LORD tells us exactly how His Spirit operates in Eze 36:26-27. I have always found it odd that I never heard a preacher quote Eze 36:26-27 when expounding on the Holy Spirit. I did see it quoted on the Forum but the quoter stopped with “follow my decrees” and omitted the last part, “and be careful to keep my laws”. My guess is that the offensive word “laws” must be avoided at all cost….just a guess. Eze 36:26 I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. 27: And I will put my Spirit in you and move you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws. (Affirmed in Rev 14:2.) Eze 11:19 I will give them an undivided heart and put a new spirit in them; I will remove from them their heart of stone and give them a heart of flesh. 20: Then they will follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws. They will be my people, and I will be their God. (Affirmed in Rev 21:3.) This the very essence of being “born again”? (See Jn 3:8 below). “Born again” is synonymous with “Born of the Spirit”. Jn 3:3 In reply Y’shua declared, "I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again……7: You should not be surprised at my saying, You must be born again. 8: The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit." |
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65 | Self control, and Spirit control? | Ephesians | bubbatate | 52890 | ||
Dear 4me, I would like to expand further on the “answer you like”, which was excellent. What is the “truth and wisdom” we need? What is “His way” and “His authority” to which we must submit? First of all….what does the LORD say about His Spirit? That would be the first thing one would search out in contemplating a “Holy Spirit” dilemma. The LORD tells us exactly how His Spirit operates in Eze 36:26-27. I have always found it odd that I never heard a preacher quote Eze 36:26-27 when expounding on the Holy Spirit. I did see it quoted on the Forum but the quoter stopped with “follow my decrees” and omitted the last part, “and be careful to keep my laws”. My guess is that the offensive word “laws” must be avoided at all cost….just a guess. Eze 36:26 I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. 27: And I will put my Spirit in you and move you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws. (Affirmed in Rev 14:2.) Eze 11:19 I will give them an undivided heart and put a new spirit in them; I will remove from them their heart of stone and give them a heart of flesh. 20: Then they will follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws. They will be my people, and I will be their God. (Affirmed in Rev 21:3.) This the very essence of being “born again”? (See Jn 3:8 below). “Born again” is synonymous with “Born of the Spirit”. Jn 3:3 In reply Y’shua declared, "I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again……7: You should not be surprised at my saying, You must be born again. 8: The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit." What can one see if he’s born of the Spirit? The Kingdom of God (Jn 3:3 above). Can there be a kingdom without a king or a king who does not “rule”, i.e. make rules, or “laws”…..to explain what is expected of his subjects, or servants? Look at Isa 2:2-3 (below) concerning “the last days”…..”the Torah (law or teachings) will go out from Zion……Jerusalem”, the capital of the Kingdom to which “all nations” will go to learn the King’s “ways…..his paths”. To be submissive to the King is to learn His ways “so that we may walk in His paths”. The Holy Spirit makes it easy……He moves us to do this if we choose to submit. Isa 2:2-3 “In the last days the mountain of the LORD's temple will be established as chief among the mountains; it will be raised above the hills, and all nations will stream to it. 3: Many peoples will come and say, "Come, let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob. He will teach us his ways, so that we may walk in his paths." The law (Torah, teachings) will go out from Zion, the word of the LORD (Torah, teachings) from Jerusalem. Peter says in 1Pe 1:22, “…you have purified yourselves by obeying the truth….. 23: For you have been born again….through the living and enduring word of God (Torah, teachings).” Remember, there was no “New Testament” for the first generation believers to refer to. The original question to which I am responding asks….”How is it then, that we are to be both self controlled, and be filled (controlled) by the Holy Spirit?” As Peter says above, purify yourself by obeying the truth, this is the self control. What is the truth according to Peter? “The living and enduring word of God.” Where did the first generation believers find the living and enduring word of God? In the Law and the Prophets…..every “Thus saith the LORD” is His word as affirmed by Y’shua in Mt 4:4 “Y’shua answered (Satan), "It is written: Man does not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God." Right there Y’shua says to live in accordance with “thus saith the LORD”……why would He quote Dt 8:3, especially to Satan? What is the “sword of the Spirit” according to Paul (below)? “The word of God” (Torah, teachings); again remembering there was no “New Testament”…..Paul wasn’t writing “the word of God”….he was writing about “the word of God”. Eph 6:11 “Put on the full armor of God so that you can take your stand against the devil's schemes…….17: Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.” What was revealed to John in the Revelation concerning getting victory over “the beast”? Rev 15:2 “And I saw…..those who had been victorious over the beast and his image and over the number of his name…..3: They….sang the song of Moses (see Dt 31:19, 24, and 30…the song is the Torah) the servant of God and the song of the Lamb (see Rev 19:30…”His name is “the Word of God”; Torah). This agrees with Y’shua’s victory over Satan in Mt 4:4 (above). There’s more………continued below: |
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