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61 | Thoughts on Romans 9 | Bible general Archive 1 | benjamite | 33565 | ||
Right. (Since I consider myself a "4-pointer", I switched the "L" in TULIP to "U" for "Unlimited atonement".) I got (or paraphrased) my definitions from James White's "The Potter's Freedom". (A response to Geisler's "Chosen But Free" - these would be the two books I mentioned I read since Christmas.) I also see Biblical support for White's "6th point" - God is Free (but that wasn't the question, this time around). Back to the issue at hand, "L" Limited atonement - quoting from PF p. 40, "The intention of Christ in His cross-work was to save His people specifically. Therefore Christ's sacrifice is perfect and complete, for it actually accomplishes perfect redemption." To be honest, it sounds great, except I see too many verses which I can't harmonize with this view. Universal Propitation - I mentioned 1 John 2:2 "He is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world." Universal Love - John 3:16 Universal Redemption - 2 Peter 2:1 speaks of false prophets "denying the Master who bought them". The above verses are my own thoughts, before consulting other sources. Charles Ryrie rightly asks, "Did Christ purpose...to make provision for the salvation of all people?" (Basic Theology, 318) I say He did. 1 Timothy 2:4, "(God our Savior,) who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.", v. 6, "ransom for all" Note: 2 Peter 3:9 doesn't fit this mold, because the "you" Peter is speaking to is the church. (cf. 1:1, 3:1, and 3:8) (i.e., Christ will return when His body/bride is complete - when the church is saved.) 1 Tim 4:10 "..living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of believers." Yes, He saves believers, but He is the Savior of all men. "All men" is not limited to the elect in this case because it is in contrast to believers. Hebrews 2:9, "...by the grace of God He might taste death for everyone." It is only after this verse that the author narrows the scope to "many sons". Acts 17:30-31, "...declaring to men that all everywhere should repent, because He has fixed a day in which He will judge the world in rightousness..." the call goes out to everyone. These are just a few verses. Are they enough? For now, they are for me, but I'll have to do a little digging to find more. In Him, Ben |
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62 | info on marriage how to treat each outh | Col 3:18 | benjamite | 33452 | ||
Hi Curt, I'm up to it. At Emmaus, I did take a class in Soteriology (Salvation), and have just read through a couple books since Christmas, this year. With the understanding that there have been many Godly men who are or were on all sides of the "Predestination vs. Free Will Debate", I am comfortable where I stand on the issue. I will say this, however, a discussion like this can tend to get heated (or extremely emotional). I've seen that happen more than I care to mention. Anyone who joins the discussion must be able to "agree to disagree". Did you have any questions in mind? In Him, Ben |
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63 | TNIV: How Will It Affect Us? | Bible general Archive 1 | benjamite | 33436 | ||
Makarios, blessed one, Thanks for the link. I looked at the website and went through the "List of Translation Inaccuracies...". Also, there was quite an impressive list of opponents. (I'm not familiar with all of them, but I did recognize some Theologians and Greek scholars.) In the "List", there are many valid points. Will this list matter to the TNIV's target audience? Probably not. What are the hot items in Christian bookstores? Theology? No. Greek/Hebrew Studies? No. Commentaries? Maybe some. Max Lucado? Yes. LaHaye and Jenkins? Yes. Wilkinson? Yes. What does that say? Most of Christendom doesn't care about the deeper things. "What does verbo-plenary mean?" is not even asked, much less understood. I'm not saying that this is the way it ought to be - it isn't. It is sad, very sad. What's the problem? Is it marketing? Is it teaching? (Probably both, but it is much more convenient to market to the "uneducated masses" than it is to teach them how "huios" (son) differs from "teknon" (child).) May your blessings return upon you tenfold, Benjamite |
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64 | info on marriage how to treat each outh | Col 3:18 | benjamite | 33259 | ||
To answer your last question. What I meant to say was that this verse (with the note attached to it) goes along with the next. I guess, also, I wanted to point out that there were three passages (at least, but three I listed) on the subject) at hand, not just the one verse. The Lord, through Paul, addresses both the husbands and the wives. (Not just the wives.) And now for the first, I agree with you on the "convenience". I do not consider it convenient to love someone else (and it doesn't have to be). To me, it seems like a heavy load to bear (like most (or could I say "each of the rest") of God's commandments). Sorry for the confusion. Benjamite |
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65 | info on marriage how to treat each outh | Col 3:18 | benjamite | 33218 | ||
I do sincerely apologize. The question asked was not tied to any specific verse. I tied it to only the first verse of the smallest of the three passages I listed. Each passage must be taken in context, however. (So, we see that Paul agrees with you, Mr. SRN) "Husbands, love your wives and do not be embittered against them." (Colossians 3:19) Eph 5:25, "Husbands, love your wives as Christ loved the church and gave Himself for her..." (As I also mentioned in the original note, and thanks to Mr. Curtnsally, for recalling it.) Is it really that convenient? |
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66 | Who needs to repent? | 2 Pet 3:9 | benjamite | 33040 | ||
We could continue to argue back and forth, but unless what we say can be supported by scripture, what we say about the things of God is not right. What you have said, here, troubles me - more for your sake than for mine. I trust you've read the references I gave you. To what extent are we justified? How precious is the blood of Christ? Since you trust experience, in my experience, Romans 4:25 speaks of "He who was delivered up because of our transgressions, and was raised because of our justification." If we are not "justified unto perfection", if we have not been totally and completely declared righteous, then Christ is still dead, and we have no business before the throne of grace. (Hebrews 4:14-16) In my experience, Romans 5:9 says, "Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him." By Christ's death, we have been justified--fully and completely declared righteous. Christ rose from the dead as proof of that, and therefore I can know Him. How do we come to know God? Whose doing is/was this? 1 Corinthians 1:21-31 How do we come to know God? How do we come to be known by God? Galatians 4:8-11 Did Paul know Christ? How? Philippians 3:7-11 What does Paul mean by Philippians 3:15-16? What does John mean in 1 John 4:13-15? How do we abide in God? Has God not given us understanding to know Him? 1 John 5:19-20 Brother Ezra, you know I've checked my Bible. I've given you scripture reference after scripture reference to support what I am trying to tell you. For now, I'm done. Feel free to have the last word here. If you'd like, feel free to email me. Benjamite |
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67 | Who needs to repent? | 2 Pet 3:9 | benjamite | 32975 | ||
Brother Ezra, It is true that we are to be holy as He is holy, (the "mark that God has set for us") (1 Peter 1:15-16). We won't reach that mark until glory (Phil 1:6). As I have said before, that is not what 2 Peter 3:9 is dealing with. However it happened, we know that Christ did not sin. He was (and still is) perfect, without spot. (1 Peter 1:18-19). As believers, in our position, we are perfect. We have been justified (declared righteous), Romans 3:23-26. Also read Romans 8:29-30. Positionally, we have been "glorified". Why do you mention Enoch? He was almost unique in that He did not die. (Gen 5:24; Heb 11:5) All others, unbelievers and believers alike, up until now, with the exception of Elijah, have died. Benjamite |
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68 | Who needs to repent? | 2 Pet 3:9 | benjamite | 32458 | ||
Amen. Likewise, Romans 6:1-2 says that we died to sin. How shall we who died to sin still live in it? Also Galatians 2:20 says that we have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer us, but Christ lives in us. We won't perish. Praise the Lord! |
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69 | Who needs to repent? | 2 Pet 3:9 | benjamite | 32301 | ||
I appreciate you saying that I am right, but that is not what I said. Romans 8:2, in the NASB, says "The law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus HAS SET you free from the law of sin and of death." It is not a future event. It has already happened. WE ARE FREE from the law of sin and of death. God did it, Himself. Note Romans 8:3-4, "For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, GOD DID: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, HE CONDEMNED SIN IN THE FLESH, so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit." (Romans 8:3-4, NASB, emphasis mine). We still sin but we are not under the law of sin and death. We won't perish. We are free from that law. That's the point. (see also John 3:16, 10:27-28, 1 Cor 1:18). |
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70 | Why the change from "they" to "you"? | 2 Pet 3:9 | benjamite | 32197 | ||
Revelation 22:20, "Amen. Come, Lord Jesus." Benjamite |
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71 | Who needs to repent? | 2 Pet 3:9 | benjamite | 32196 | ||
In the context, repentance is in contrast to perishing. As believers, we don't have to worry about perishing. I see this kind of repentance as permanent. John 3:16 says that believers "shall not perish". (see also John 10:27-28 and 1 Cor. 1:18). It is that kind of repentance we are dealing with here, one which keeps us from perishing. You mentioned Romans 3:23-24, "For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus;" I am saved. I am a believer. God has declared me righteous. By His grace, Romans 3:23 doesn't apply to me, positionally, anymore. My sins have been passed over (Romans 3:25). Can you imagine that? "There is, therefore, now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and death." (Rom. 8:1-2) Do we still sin? Of course, but we won't perish. 1 John 1:9 says, "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." |
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72 | Moses Circumcised? | Exodus | benjamite | 32130 | ||
1. We don't know which son, for sure. We might assume, from the context of "Israel is My son, My first-born", Ex 4:22, that it is the eldest son. 2. Was Moses circumcised? Yes. When? Presumably on the 8th day, Gen 17:11-12. Why is this probable? At this point, Moses was in the care of his mother, Ex 2:2. The Jews, according to Joshua 5:5, were circumcised before they came out of Egypt. When did Moses come out of Egypt? It happened sometime before then. Moses' when and where, i.e., geographic location: 8th day, Goshen. In Exodus 4, one of the sons is circumcised, Ex 4:25. That leaves the other son. At the very latest, he was circumcised in Joshua 5:3-5, at Gibeath-haaraloth. |
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