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521 | Created for heaven or hell? | John 3:16 | Norrie | 11225 | ||
I would think it is more about Israel not accepting Jesus but still, that was their decision. We've been studying Amos and Hosea lately and Israel has been bad, seems like they are constantly turning from God and doing their own thing. They became God's Chosen People because Abraham made a covenant w/God and the Israelites decendents thru him (Abraham had other sons but Issac was the son of promise). But, also there have been many Gentiles who believed in the OT. Look at Jesus' geneology, there is Rahab and Ruth, both are Gentiles, Caleb was a Gentile. I still believe that anyone who believes will be saved, all are called but few choose the right path. Even those that should be on the right path may choose to go the broad way, like Israel did many, many times. Shoot, you may be a Christian along w/your spouse, raise your kids in the church and they rebel completely and go the wrong way, it wouldn't be your fault, you did what you had to do but they chose to go another direction, but Jesus died for them just the same and wants them to come to salvation. I just don't think anybody is born with the stigma that salvation will not even be offered to you, you're lost w/no way out. Even people who have never heard of Jesus have nature and a conscience and will be judged on what they know. Everybody has a chance to say yes. |
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522 | spirit/soul | John 1:14 | Norrie | 11114 | ||
Yeah, Tim, I'd hate to think I'd be fighting the battle of the bulge for eternity too. :) I'd like to have everything working too, not be wrinkled, gray hair....I bet you think I look like a fat, old crone. :) | ||||||
523 | spirit/soul | John 1:14 | Norrie | 11113 | ||
Now, Hank, you prob won't be blad-headed or pot-bellied then, that will be the wonderful part! But we'll know who we are anyway, even if we do look better than we did on earth. :) We'll all be 10s then! | ||||||
524 | spirit/soul | John 1:14 | Norrie | 11095 | ||
I think that when we get our glorified bodies, they will basically look like the old at it's best stage but w/no imperfections. We won't have the same old one. After all, look how many bodies have already disintegrated, either w/age or were burned up or washed away, whatever. Then if you were crippled, you'll have a new body that's whole or if you're obese, you'll be the right size or have skin rashed, you won't have any, etc. God will make new bodies for us. Believe me, I'm ready for a new body! :) | ||||||
525 | spirit/soul | John 1:14 | Norrie | 11083 | ||
"I believe that BODY plus SPIRIT equals a LIVING SOUL." and when your body dies, you are a DEAD SOUL? :) Just kidding! I agree that there are instances where the soul and sprit seem interchangeable and instances where they are separate entities. I've heard it explained that you are a spirit, you have a soul (mind, will and emotions) and you live in a body. When our body dies, our spirit and soul go on to whereever you chose your final destination, hopefully everybody here will meet in Heaven. :) I guess when the Holy spirit speaks to you, you feel it in your spirit, it's not something you think or feel, it's something you sense deep inside of you, that's your spirit, He bypasses your soul and goes directly to your spirit. Your spirit is what you communicate with God thru. We are spirit and God is spirit so we communicate spirit to spirit. Anyway, that's how I was taught and understand it. :) |
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526 | musical instruments or not? | Bible general Archive 1 | Norrie | 11005 | ||
I guess I'm getting on the tail end of this but...I can't see why any church would say not to use instruments, that just seems like legalism is the worse way. All thru the OT God is using instruments, David was a musician, look at the trumpets at Jericho, then how many times did the choirs and instruments go before armies? I think instruments are a great way to praise the Lord. Our church has an orchestra. :) | ||||||
527 | What are the Methodists up to? | Numbers | Norrie | 10932 | ||
I know I was on a forum where there was a homosexual man spouting off the "feel good" theology, he did not "buy" the Bible, what it said or believe Jesus should be your personal savior, then he started spouting his minister said...come to find out he was Methodist. From what I've understood about them, they certainly have sunk. | ||||||
528 | What are Calvins and Arminians? | Bible general Archive 1 | Norrie | 10714 | ||
So you never had a full immersion baptism? I guess I was sprinkled when I was 2 wks old. :) Then after I got saved, I couldn't find anybody to baptize me, it seemed you had to join the church in order to ger baptized and there wasn't a church I wanted to join, I just wanted to get baptized because of obedience. Then in 86 I went w/my aunt to a camp meeting in Rocky Mt, NC, this was one of the nondenom. spirit filled, prophecying places, but I'd been praying for baptism and they decided they were going to do baptisms in the creek. Then they decided the creek wouldn't work and the preacher had a pool that had been covered over all winter, still had cover on, so went to his house and took the cover off and got baptized in that nasty water. :) Oh well, at least I got baptized! | ||||||
529 | Are all Christians going to heaven? | Matt 7:21 | Norrie | 10651 | ||
Tell me if this is an example of what you're talking about. My bil had cancer and was dying. He and my sister were raised Cath. but never went to church since they were married, they drank a half gal of whiskey every other day and smoked a carton of cigs about the same, I have seen them go thru a carton in a day before-he had throat cancer. Anyway, I tried witnessing to them many times, gave them tapes to listen to, etc but they were never interested. Then when I knew he was dying, I tried again and he seemed more receptive, tried hard to get them both saved and they both did say that they had prayed the prayer. But at the same time, some friends of his father kept after them to come back to the church too. I tried to tell them that the church doesn't save, only Jesus. When he died, he had a Cath burial, they even wrapped the rosary around his hands, the same hands that only held booze and smokes! I doubt Mark would know how to even pray the rosary unless they taught it to him at the end. Then my sister said she was saved too back then, ut maybe they were just telling me to shut me up. When Mark died, Cathy went into depression nat. but it's been almost 3 yrs, she about chain smokes, still drinks like usual, cusses terribly. She just doesn't act any different than she's always acted. I think these are good examples of those that claimed to have accepted but never did really? |
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530 | What are Calvins and Arminians? | Bible general Archive 1 | Norrie | 10652 | ||
Thanks! She's 9 but has been saved since she was 6, she was just afraid to go underwater. :) | ||||||
531 | What are Calvins and Arminians? | Bible general Archive 1 | Norrie | 10637 | ||
My daughter is getting baptized Sun even. service. We had to go see the youth minister today for counseling (we're So. Bapt church too). Anyway, he was telling her that it's wonderful that she's 9 and knows that Jesus is her Savior, that there are many people that go to church and are 60 and don't know that yet, they know all about Him, just haven't make that decision to put Him on the throne of their life. That does seem sad, doesn't it. :( But I grew up Catholic, born and raised as they say. Then I fell out from the church and became a total heathen for a decade or so, then I accepted Jesus. I mostly listened to Copeland who I never heard say anything wrong back then, he seemed to follow the Bible. I traveled so never found a church home. Then when I finally settled down here, eventually I went to this church and loved it. I had been to several Baptist churches in my travels, some nondenom. churches too w/all the tongue talking, prophecying people, none turned me on enough to want to stay. Then it seemed all the Bapt churches had the same sermon, trying to get you saved. Well, I'm already saved, I wanted a meat church where they preach the Bible and you find out what to do after you're saved and now I have that. But I don't know enough about Baptists to claim being one even tho I belong to that church. Then my mil belongs to a Baptist church that is totally different from ours, seems there's Southern, Independant, Missionary, Primitive, who knows how many others. :) All I know is what I believe and this church seems to believe the same way. Shoot, I asked the youth minister today about the different Baptists and he didn't know either. :) Then I've heard Baptists are very legalist before, these people don't seem so, in fact I wish they were a tad more legalistic. Some of the teenagers dress terrible, girls look like hookers! Anyway, I'm def. not a Baptist expert but I was a Catholic expert at one time. :) I've been on several different type forums and been thru many arguments and know that it's useless to change people's mind once it's made up, but I've never heard Calvinism and Arminian before. :) I guess I must be one of them people that don't know beans about doctrines, maybe I might be better off staying that way? :) |
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532 | What are Calvins and Arminians? | Bible general Archive 1 | Norrie | 10554 | ||
I want to thank all of you for enlightening me on this subject. I guess I do think that Arminian fits more with my ideas of what the Bible says than Calvin. However, I won't take the label of either one even if I do agree w/one over the other. Saying you're a Calvinist or Arminian seems like you're saying you're following that person instead of Jesus and I never really heard of either one of them really, I did hear John Calvin before as a name to do w/Protestentism but never knew exactly what he thought. I guess if someone never heard of either of these people and there was a split about whether they believed this or that, then maybe they could say they're the "ites" of whoever leads the discussion, that just doesn't seem right to me. I prefer to just still have my only label be a Christian or follower of Christ. If you say you are a Calvinist or an Arninian, isn't that saying you are following that particular person? Even if you say you're a Baptist, Catholic, Methodist, etc. it seems that is saying the denominiation is more important than Christ is. Maybe it would be OK to say I'm a Baptist Christian or Calvin Christian if you wanted to expound further but Christian is still the important label to me. :) Thank you all again for your help. I take it you have already discussed this in depth and the Calvins won't change their minds and the Arminians won't change theirs either? :) It's kinda like are you pretrib, midtrib, post trib or no rapture period. Or maybe it's like is the earth 6000 yrs old are 20 billion. I guess these are things you can argue with till the cows come home and nobody will change their position no matter how convincing the other side is. I guess there are some things we won't know till we die and go to heaven. Of course we might be alive to find out about the rapture tho-then we might know who was right. Personally, I hope it's pretrib but as long as I go, who cares!!! |
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533 | Decendents of Jesus today? | Bible general Archive 1 | Norrie | 10494 | ||
Seems possible to me. :) Too bad we can't trace birth certificates back that far. I guess that's another question to ask when we get there. | ||||||
534 | What are Calvins and Arminians? | Bible general Archive 1 | Norrie | 10490 | ||
"I am Arminian in thought in regards to election" Does this mean you agree that you can become unsaved? Maybe I'm not sure what election is. I've never run across these terms like Calvinism, Arminian, election, etc. before so I may ask what might seem to be a lot of dumb questions. I guess these would be more denominational type questions than scriptural? I guess you'll have to enlighten me when I'm ignorant. :) | ||||||
535 | What are Calvins and Arminians? | Bible general Archive 1 | Norrie | 10469 | ||
I take it you are a plain ole Christian too? :) I go to a Baptist church but I can't even say I'm a Baptist even tho I belong to the church, if anybody asks, I'm a Christian. I became a Christian when I accepted Jesus as my Savior, why would I want to choose another label? :) Seems like any other would be going down. Then if you are a church hopper, would you change labels w/every church? Just too much trouble that way. :) |
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536 | What are Calvins and Arminians? | Bible general Archive 1 | Norrie | 10443 | ||
OK, I believe that every individual has the free will to accept or reject the gospel, that God wants all to accept even tho this won't happen and is sad when someone rejects because Jesus died for all and God loves every one of us, even the sinner. I believe He tries to bring all to Him but basically, after a awhile, if someone rejects enough, then they are left to go their own way as selected by themselves. I also believe that a person can be stupid enough to throw away their salvation-why they would want to, who knows, but I have run across people who professed to do this, became pagan or whatever. Others said they weren't saved to begin with, they said yes they were, baptized in the Holy Spirit, the whole thing. So, if this was the case, they definately threw their salvation away. I guess it would be up to God whether or not they repented before they die but they would have to do that, for sure. I would imagine just like you can disown your earthly parents, you can do that with God too, as stupid as that may be. I guess I'm not a Calvinist or an Arminian, I'm just a Christian with no label. :) |
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537 | Evangelicals and Catholics | Rom 3:28 | Norrie | 10363 | ||
Great analogy! | ||||||
538 | What separates Evangelicals, Catholics? | Rom 3:28 | Norrie | 10361 | ||
Oh yeah, I remember my grandmother constantly praying for me to come back to the church. Never mind that I got saved and was trying to talk her into accepting Jesus as her Savior. None of them would listen, just kept saying I should come back to the church. About 7 yrs ago, I joined a Baptist church here. Mama started going with me, she'd go to her RCC church, then come home in time to leave to go to mine. I think that's when she started seeing the difference. She saw that we preached on Jesus and the Bible, where her church just talked. She said the clincher was that she was in the seniors group and they were always either going to FL to buy lottery tickets or going to Biloxi to the casinos. She said she told father that they shouldn't always be going to gambling places and he said why not, we're gambling on getting to heaven too. She said she thought if you don't know where you're going, why should I stay here and she left, joined my church, got baptized. She was a die-hard Catholic too, the one that forced it all on us. Praise God I know she's saved anyway! My older brother and his family are too but not my sister or younger brother. I'm glad I found this forum, you seem to be a regular source of info here-good job! |
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539 | What separates Evangelicals, Catholics? | Rom 3:28 | Norrie | 10354 | ||
I believe the key to the Kingdom is the revelation that Jesus is Lord. Peter realized that thru revelation knowledge, so do we. As far as papal infallibility, I was raised Catholic, went to Cath school, took religion religiously. :) Anyway, we were taught that the pope was infallible when he spoke from the chair of Peter, that maybe as a man, he might be thinking one thing but whenever he got up to speak in his papal capacity, that the Holy Spirit spoke thru him and that was why he was infallible. When they canonize saints, the pope speaks from the chair of Peter and therefore he's infallible. This about about the time Vatican II was taking place. Then they decided that St. Christopher was not a saint, that he never existed, was just a legend. After that, I got to wondering, some pope supposedly spoke from the chair but he was supposed to be infallible, not they are saying he was wrong, then the pope is not unfallible-they lied! Then I got to wondering what else they lied about. Then when I was in the 9th grade at a Cath Girls high school in religion class, we had a priest tell us that the Bible was just a book written to compete w/mythology, me and him got into it in class, continued it in the hall. I didn't actually ever read the Bible but I knew the Bible stories and he said they were just a fable. Thank God I started going to public school after that, but after a few years, I decided they were all hooey and left the church completely. Somebody said something about Chick being down on Catholics, after I finally got saved after years of complete rebellion, I read his stuff and believed every word he said about them because I was there, I had strict Cath. upbringing and I know what I was taught and Jesus Christ didn't have anything much to do with it. He was made to seem like some harsh guy who wouldn't listen to us mere mortals so you had to ask his mama to talk to him for you. Maybe there are some Cath churches that may actually teach salvation but I had no idea what it was but I knew church doctrine. I know there are some Catholics who are Christian but I believe the majority are not, mainly because they just haven't been told. They are still trying to get in by works and hoping not to die with a mortal sin, the big gamble. I know I tried talking to the old folks and parents in my family, tried to tell them the church is not the way, that Jesus is, but I really don't know if any of them really accepted that or not besides my Mama, the others are all gone and I have no idea whether I'll see any of them again. :( Daddy's first cousin is a priest and Mama had a great uncle in Czechoslavakia that was an archbishop so I'd say I had deep Catholic roots, we were in the church every time it opened, novenas, everything. On the days when we didn't have to go to school, I'd think oh boy, no mass today-Mama would wake us up and we'd go to early mass, this was an every day thing, rosaries at night-we were crammed! They all knew I was going to hell when I quit the church but I had enough, esp when I figured out the lies. |
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540 | What separates Evangelicals, Catholics? | Rom 3:28 | Norrie | 10325 | ||
Part 3 BABYLON AND ROME In 1Peter 5:13, Peter says, "The church that is at Babylon saluteth you." Some suppose "Babylon" is a cryptic word for Rome. There is no evidence that Rome was ever called "Babylon" until after the Book of the Revelation was written. The Revelation was written about 95 A.D., many years after the death of Simon Peter. If 1Peter 5:13 refers to Rome, then Simon Peter did not write the letter and we have a forgery in the Bible. Peter's method and manner of writing are in no sense apocalyptic. He is direct and matter-of-fact. That this man Peter, plain of speech almost to bluntness, should interject into the midst of his personal explanations and final salutations such a mystical epithet, with no hint of what he means by it, is beyond credulity. Peter says the elect in Babylon send greetings to the Jews of the Dispersion in Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia. "Babylon" is no more cryptic than "Pontus", "Asia", or the rest. He means what he says. His "Babylon" is the Babylon on the Euphrates. It is a part of the eastern world where Peter lived his life and did his work. Babylon in the time of Simon Peter was no longer a great world capital, but it was still inhabited by a colony of people, mostly Jews. Among those Hebrew friends he won many to Christ, and those Jewish Christians sent greetings to their fellow - Jewish Christians in Asia Minor where Peter had previously done a blessed missionary work. Unbiased historians and the Scriptural records indicate that Peter died and was buried either in Mesopotamia or Asia Minor. The Pope of Rome will be able to find plenty of bones beneath the Vatican hills, where Christians by the thousands were murdered and buried by pagan and papal persecutors back when Rome ruled the world. But these bones prove nothing except that the Roman hierarchy is frantic in its efforts to find something that will give a semblance of justification to their false claims that Peter was connected with the papal system. Peter was never in Rome. Nor was he ruler over any church. Nor did he have any keys to give anybody else to hand down to others. He was a stone, one out of many with which God is building His spiritual house in earth and in heaven. |
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