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5101 | Our name erased or added to Book of Life | Rev 13:8 | EdB | 87777 | ||
Joe One more thing. I think most theologians and Bible scholars will agree John 3:16 carries the essence of the Bible so while it may only be one verse it is one of the few that will stand alone. That my friend is not proof texting it is stating the overall theme of the Bible. Before you respond with one of your nasty snide remarks attacking me let me say I will not respond back to you on this subject. EdB |
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5102 | Our name erased or added to Book of Life | Rev 13:8 | EdB | 87843 | ||
John I don't think it is necessarily a bad thing just something to be avoided because when it happens many times we walk away with bad theology. I know I can prove anything is acceptable or unacceptable by using the right passages. However when we take the whole rather than part we see the truth. Be blessed I’m still praying :-) for ya! EdB |
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5103 | Our name erased or added to Book of Life | Rev 13:8 | EdB | 87844 | ||
John Let us stop here. I really don't care to debate this. I could never accept your Calvinism to me it violates many things the Bible says about God. You obviously don't see it that way. When I first read the Bible I saw one thing a loving God reaching out. Salvation is a miracle that I clearly admit I can’t explain, it causes me wonder every time a new person comes to the saving grace of Jesus Christ. I have tried to understand salvation, but each time I come away with one basic conclusion it is essential for a relationship with God. I have studied years on Temple sacrifice, worship and blood covenants. How they interact, the covenant between God and Abraham, between a saved person and God through communion, worship and service. I have studied theology under various disciplines and various schools of thought. Over the years I have had many explain how it works, what takes place. Great minds, brilliant theologians all with their theories, ideas, favorite verses, proof texts, logic and each could not align various verses to their theology without taking some liberty with the meaning of a word or two. Most were satisfied with doing that and therefore become very dogmatic in their belief. However the ones I came to respect the most, where the ones that admitted after all the examination, all the theorizing it simply netted down to God’s love. God reached out to man we see in the story one Bible story after another, Noah, Abraham, the Judges, the Kings, the prophets, the world through the cross of Jesus. In every story we see one of two conclusions men that responded to that call of love either by rejecting or worshipping the caller. Let us let the mystery of salvation continue for at least another generation and stop trying to explain it to each other. Be Bless and I am still praying for ya EdB |
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5104 | Our name erased or added to Book of Life | Rev 13:8 | EdB | 88688 | ||
John Love can solve a multitude of problems. :-) EdB |
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5105 | Calvin's Letter to Men Facing Martyrdom | Rev 17:6 | EdB | 243232 | ||
Calvin was well equipped to write about men facing martyrdom since he made Michael Servetus one. He also violated Sola Scriptura by condemning Servetus to the stake. On October 27, 1553 John Calvin, the founder of Calvinism, had Michael Servetus, the Spanish physician, burned at the stake just outside of Geneva for his doctrinal beliefs!(1) Hence, the originator of the popular doctrine of "once saved always saved" (known in certain circles as "perseverance of the saints") violated the cry of the Reformation -- "Sola Scriptura" -- by murdering a doctrinal heretic without Scriptural justification.michael servetus This event was something John Calvin had considered long before Michael Servetus was even captured, for John Calvin wrote his friend, Farel, on February 13, 1546 (seven years prior to Michael Servetus' arrest) and went on record as saying: "If he [Servetus] comes [to Geneva], I shall never let him go out alive if my authority has weight."(2) Evidently, in that day John Calvin's authority in Geneva, Switzerland had ultimate "weight." This is why some referred to Geneva as the "Rome of Protestantism"(3) and to John Calvin as the "Protestant 'Pope' of Geneva."(4) During Servetus' trial, John Calvin wrote: "I hope that the verdict will call for the death penalty."(5) All this reveals a side of John Calvin that is not well-known or very appealing, to say the least! Obviously, he had a prolonged, murderous hate in his heart and was willing to violate Scripture to put another to death and in a most cruel way. Although John Calvin consented to Michael Servetus' request to be beheaded, he acquiesced to the mode of execution employed. But why did John Calvin have a death wish for Michael Servetus? "To rescue Servetus from his heresies, Calvin replied with the latest edition of his 'Institutes of the Christian Religion,' which Servetus promptly returned with insulting marginal comments. Despite Servetus's [sic] pleas, Calvin, who developed an intense dislike of Servetus during their correspondence, refused to return any of the incriminating material."(6) "Convicted of heresy by the Roman Catholic authorities, Servetus escaped the death penalty by a prison break. Heading for Italy, Servetus unaccountably stopped at Geneva, where he had been denounced by Calvin and the Reformers. He was seized the day after his arrival, condemned as a heretic when he refused to recant, and burned in 1553 with the apparent tacit approval of Calvin."(7) In the course of his flight from Vienne, Servetus stopped in Geneva and made the mistake of attending a sermon by Calvin. He was recognized and arrested after the service.(8) "Calvin had him [Servetus] arrested as a heretic. Convicted and burned to death."(9) From the time that John Calvin had him arrested on August 14th until his condemnation, Michael Servetus spent his remaining days: michael servetus " ... in an atrocious dungeon with no light or heat, little food, and no sanitary facilities."(10) Let it be noted that the Calvinists of Geneva put half-green wood around the feet of Michael Servetus and a wreath strewn with sulfur on his head. It took over thirty minutes to render him lifeless in such a fire, while the people of Geneva stood around to watch Michael Servetus suffer and slowly die! Just before this happened, the record shows: "Farel walked beside the condemned man, and kept up a constant barrage of words, in complete insensitivity to what Servetus might be feeling. All he had in mind was to extort from the prisoner an acknowledgement [sic] of his theological error -- a shocking example of the soulless cure of souls. After some minutes of this, Servetus ceased making any reply and prayed quietly to himself. When they arrived at the place of execution, Farel announced to the watching crowd: 'Here you see what power Satan possesses when he has a man in his power. This man is a scholar of distinction, and he perhaps believed he was acting rightly. But now Satan possesses him completely, as he might possess you, should you fall into his traps.' michael servetus http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/michael-servetus.htm#4 |
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5106 | Calvin's Letter to Men Facing Martyrdom | Rev 17:6 | EdB | 243235 | ||
I took no elevated view of Servetus I merely pointed out Calvin's ability to talk on martyrdom from a participants point of view. Since he was very much a factor in Servetus' martyrdom. Wonder what Hermenutical method Calvin used to justify burning a man to death? |
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5107 | Danger in "revelation theory" only. | Rev 17:16 | EdB | 59661 | ||
John Your right and thank you for the correction, I should not have used so much gusto in my response. I should have said, as things are shaping up now it looks like Islam and in particular the Islamic nations to the north of Israel may play a major role in 'End Time' prophecy, should the rapture and second coming of Christ occur in the near future. However I will go out on the limb and state quite emphatically each day brings us one day closer to Jesus’ return. :-) I think you have to admit things in the Middle East are looking more and more like buds on tress, the violence we see has an appearance of a red sky. Maybe the church should think more about the future, of the second coming, of the tribulation. The primitive church thought more about the Second Coming of Jesus Christ than about death or about heaven. The early Christians were looking not for a cleft in the ground called a grave but for a cleavage in the sky called Glory. They were watching not for the undertaker but for the uppertaker. -- Alexander Maclaren John again I receive and thank you for that correction. By the way long story short I finally got the book "Losing Our Virtue" EdB |
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5108 | Does this mean that it is wrong to ask? | Rev 17:16 | EdB | 59816 | ||
Pastor Glen, John and Makarios I'm not sure why this has become such an issue. Pastor Glen voiced an observation based on scripture, a little human logic and a little conjecture. I see nothing wrong with discussing this anymore than the time spent discussing the age of the earth, did Judas repent, and who did Cain marry. I think there are some hints in the Bible that tell us more about who this unholy allegiance will be as we advance in time. In the 1800’s they couldn’t imagine a world wide monetary system, being able to see things as they happened on the other side of the world, a world wide government trying to impose it’s standards on the world. That is because credit card, satellite TV, and the UN did not exist. By talking about these things does it mean that is exactly how Revelation is going to play out? No but they do offer plausible solutions that may or may not change as our knowledge, technology, sociology changes with time. What we are talking about is what the Bible said was going to be a world monetary system (call it what you want), an ability to see what is happening in Jerusalem when the two witnesses are killed and later resurrected (call that what you want) and a form of government that want to rule the world under the Antichrist (again call it what you will). When these events are given plausible explanations of how they may occur the reader no longer ponders “the how”, but rather “the purpose and intent of the almighty God that is behind it all. In the 1950-90’s the biggest obstacle to peace and freedom of religion was the USSR so naturally they were included in unholy allegiance. Since the USSR has collapsed many are rethinking their position but none the less we are told the enemy of Israel will come from the north. When we speak about it does it really matter if we call it the USSR or Islamic countries to the north, or the Al Quaeda that is presently some of the northern countries. These all are plausible answers to how could this happen. Do we know for sure that is how it is going to happen? No, but we are sure the events described in Revelation are going to happen. I come to my question what is the harm of studying “End Time Prophecy” and offering plausible explanations of how those events may occur? As long as we are not dogmatic and refuse to look at any other evidence there isn’t a problem. If Pastor Glenn wants to pose the question to the forum, could the Al Quaeda be the unholy northern allegiance that attacks Israel, I see no problem and no reason for everyone to jump all over his case. EdB |
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5109 | Does this mean that it is wrong to ask? | Rev 17:16 | EdB | 59884 | ||
John Then why do you think God wrote Prophecy? Why do you think God wrote Revelations? Surely God knew we would try to make sense out of it. In fact I believe God expects us to use our minds and attempt to apply some understanding to it. I understand your point perfectly and I agree. We must not be so dogmatic that we leave no room for any other scenario or so reactionary that we sell everything and move to a mountain top. I think we also need to refrain from naming names of people we think are possible antichrists. However when we see someone, some group or some region in direct violation of God’s admonishments such those that bless Israel will be blessed and those that curse Israel will be cursed.” I think we can safety know God is going to deal with that situation. I see no harm is saying something to this effect. “In Ezekiel the word says "Gog prince of Rosh, Meshech and Tubal... “ Then saying “in today’s soci/political situation this could be talking of a spirit of darkness that controls or perpetuates Islam and may be called Gog and is talking about the Islamic countries that were once part of the USSR but now seem to be aligning with militant factions that oppose Israel. We don’t know this for sure but this could be the setting for the beginning of the final days.” “We will have to watch closely to see how this situation plays out. Otherwise I have to read that passage in Ezekiel and say I have no idea of what it is saying so I might as well discount it . Or I have to read revelation and say boy that is nice I have no idea how this will happen, how it could play out, or even imagine what it talking about therefore I shouldn’t read it. I might even conclude it shouldn’t included in the canon. EdB |
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5110 | Does this mean that it is wrong to ask? | Rev 17:16 | EdB | 59890 | ||
Hank Et tu Brutus or something like that I forget may Latin. :-). Let me ask you Hank what do you think God wanted us to do with revelations? Since all we can really do is speculate about it until it actually happens what was God purpose for including it in the Bible? EdB |
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5111 | Does this mean that it is wrong to ask? | Rev 17:16 | EdB | 59893 | ||
Hank I agree we can make ourselves a mockery by calling things fact that have not happened yet and to which we have no control over. It is simply impossible to predict dates, and actual players in respect to eschatology. However Jesus did tell us we would be able to tell the season. As we see things that appear to line up with the whole end times scenario what is wrong with suggesting this may be the solution? I know many Pastors that simply will not teach on the Book of Revelations because they say it can’t be understood so it is a waste of time. I know others that believe it is a John having a bad dream after eating a pepperoni pizza. God gave us The Book of Revelation, He has told us to study His Word, He has given us imaginations, logic, curiosity, and will to understand. I can see nothing wrong with the study of eschatology as long as any conclusion we may reach is presented as theory rather than ‘thus sayth the Lord’ fact. EdB |
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5112 | Does this mean that it is wrong to ask? | Rev 17:16 | EdB | 59895 | ||
Pastor Glenn You attached this to my response, you may want to attach a copy to John's so he will see it. I might soften it a little before I would send it to John. We might be using the Word of God as a slashing sword rather than a sword of correction. EdB |
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5113 | Does this mean that it is wrong to ask? | Rev 17:16 | EdB | 59907 | ||
Hank Aw, I was closer than I suspected, I hadn't used Latin in 39 years when my Latin teacher agreed if I promised to take French the next year you would give me a passing D. That poor French teacher such a dear to have such clutz as me. Hank I was making a stab (pardon the pun) at humor. Hank your my brother wer buds!!!!! EdB |
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5114 | Does this mean that it is wrong to ask? | Rev 17:16 | EdB | 59909 | ||
Hank We are in total agreement!!!!!!!!!!! Blessing to you EdB |
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5115 | Manumission | Rev 17:17 | EdB | 242709 | ||
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5116 | Rev. 18:9-19 sounds like WTC? | Rev 18:9 | EdB | 17214 | ||
Scroggs Your theology has a problem. You said, It can be Babylon of Iraq since Isaiah 13:20 says the original Babylon will never be inhabited again. Saturday evening there was program on TV showing the festivities of the modern city Babylon build on the ruins of Nebuchadnezzar’s Babylon. To me it looked pretty much the same as Las Vegas here in the US. By the way the city was rebuilt in the late 80’s early 90’s using our gas money. Since we know scripture never lies you may want to rethink you interpretation of Is. 13:20 |
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5117 | Rev. 18:9-19 sounds like WTC? | Rev 18:9 | EdB | 17230 | ||
Scroggs Many hold that the Babylon of Rev. is in fact Babylon rebuilt. They further believe Isaiah was seeing the immediate future with the Medes destroying the city and the distant future where God will destroy it. Others see this prophecy as coming to past gradually, where it will finally become desolate. Many Arabs will not spend a night in the city believing it is haunted. In any case for New York and the WTC to fulfill Revelation prophecy the devastation would have to been even more extensive. The devastation described in Revelation is the total collapse of commerce, economics, and trade in general for the City Babylon. While all of this was severely impacted by the WTC attacks we know none of the destruction occurred to such completeness. Again not trying to downplay the horrendous nature of what took place, or to minimize the seriousness or violence of the attacks we tend to hold an overly magnified view of America in relation to rest of the world. Especially in light of Biblical prophecy which is devoid of any mention of United States or America. David Wilkerson explained this lack of mention of America in prophecy as being caused by a previous financial collapse of America either through reckless manipulation of the financial market or by internal anarchy. That to me is a far more likely scenario, especially in light of the house of cards we call Wall Street, designed and built by men that cared for little more that today’s profits. |
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5118 | Rev. 18:9-19 sounds like WTC? | Rev 18:9 | EdB | 17479 | ||
Scroggs Yes I believe our generation will probably see the second coming of Christ. Yes we are to be about the Masters work with some urgency. I too will wait and see the events that was begun to be unfolded Sept 11, 2001 and I do it was excitement adn expectation for my redeemption drawth nigh! But I still don't think New York is Babylon nor was this attact what is descibed in Rev 18 |
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5119 | torment in hell annihilation in the lake | Rev 19:20 | EdB | 241206 | ||
You are trying to make the case of total annililation. To do it you need a way to explain extra-Bibically why the beast and false prophet were mentioned in a present after being thrown in the lake of fire. You are giving credit for this to Satan. That is a dangerous position to take. First no where in scripture does it suggest Satan has the power to sustain life. Secondly because Jesus holds the keys of Death, Hell and the grave. Jesus controls life not Satan. Thirdly Satan's ilk is to deceive how better to deceive people than convince them eternal punishment for the rejection of Christ isn't valid. Satan does not have the power to keep anyone alive either here on earth or in the Lake of Fire. Since the beast and the false Prophet are alive in the Lake of Fire proves scripture that tells us our spirits are eternal. We live eternally with Christ because of our belief in Him or we live eternally in damnation because of our rejection of Jesus. Do not add to scripture. |
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5120 | torment in hell annihilation in the lake | Rev 19:20 | EdB | 241208 | ||
Actually I didn't mention verb nor did I mention any particular verse in my last reply. But if we go to verse Revelation 20:10 you mentioned (NASB) 10 And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever. I think the words tormented day and night forever and ever paints a fairly vivid picture of eternity. Don't you? I also think the Greek word kai which is translated also suggests the Beast and false prophet are present when Satan is thrown in. Interestingly Allisraelsaved was not challenging the wording or verb tense of scripture. Allisraelsaved point was only who was keeping the false prophet and the beast alive. I find your comments interesting and causes me to wonder why you felt complied to make them. |
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