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41 | Verse re: a temptress sent by devil? | Prov 7:5 | yonderfulzonderless | 193433 | ||
let me try something of my own, Prophetically probably today Government of modern Israel, hear ye Proposition of my Prophecy for today: Modern Israel Tempted Astray and Redeemed through Water and Fire Suffering Baptisms by Christ (HNV Judeo-Christian Bible, Public Domain, a revision of ASV) Isa 47:1 Come down, and sit in the dust, virgin daughter of Bavel; sit on the ground without a throne, daughter of the Kasdim: for you shall no more be called tender and delicate. Isa 47:2 Take the millstones, and grind meal; remove your veil, strip off the train, uncover the leg, pass through the rivers. Isa 47:3 Your nakedness shall be uncovered, yes, your shame shall be seen: I will take vengeance, and will spare no man. Isa 47:4 Our Redeemer, the LORD of hosts is his name, the Holy One of Yisra-el. Isa 47:5 Sit you silent, and get you into darkness, daughter of the Kasdim, for you shall no more be called The mistress of kingdoms. Isa 47:6 I was angry with my people, I profaned my inheritance, and gave them into your hand: you did show them no mercy, on the aged have you very heavily laid your yoke. Isa 47:7 You said, I shall be mistress forever; so that you did not lay these things to your heart, neither did remember the latter end of it. Isa 47:8 Now therefore hear this, you who are given to pleasures, who sit securely, who say in your heart, I am, and there is none else besides me; I shall not sit as a widow, neither shall I know the loss of children: Isa 47:9 but these two things shall come to you in a moment in one day, the loss of children, and widowhood,, in their full measure shall they come on you, in the multitude of your sorceries, and the great abundance of your enchantments. Isa 47:10 For you have trusted in your wickedness; you have said, None sees me; your wisdom and your knowledge, it has perverted you, and you have said in your heart, I am, and there is none else besides me. Isa 47:11 Therefore shall evil come on you; you shall not know the dawning of it: and mischief shall fall on you; you shall not be able to put it away: and desolation shall come on you suddenly, which you dont know. Isa 47:12 Stand now with your enchantments, and with the multitude of your sorceries, in which you have labored from your youth; if so be you shall be able to profit, if so be you may prevail. Isa 47:13 You are wearied in the multitude of your counsels: let now the astrologers, the star-gazers, the monthly prognosticators, stand up, and save you from the things that shall come on you. Isa 47:14 Behold, they shall be as stubble, the fire shall burn them; they shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame: it shall not be a coal to warm at, nor a fire to sit before. Isa 47:15 Thus shall the things be to you in which you have labored: those who have trafficked with you from your youth shall wander everyone to his quarter; there shall be none to save you. Isa 48:1 Hear you this, house of Ya-akov, who are called by the name of Yisra-el, and are come forth out of the waters of Yehudah who swear by the name of the LORD, and make mention of the God of Yisra-el, but not in truth, nor in righteousness ... Isa 48:13 Yes, my hand has laid the foundation of the eretz, and my right hand has spread out the heavens: when I call to them, they stand up together. Isa 48:14 Assemble yourselves, all you, and hear- who among them has declared these things- He whom the LORD loves shall perform his pleasure on Bavel, and his arm -shall be on- the Kasdim. Isa 48:15 I, even I, have spoken- yes, I have called him; I have brought him, and he shall make his way prosperous. Isa 48:16 Come you near to me, hear you this,, from the beginning I have not spoken in secret,, from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD has sent me, and his Spirit. Isa 48:17 Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer, the Holy One of Yisra-el: I am the LORD your God, who teaches you to profit, who leads you by the way that you should go. Isa 48:18 Oh that you had listened to my mitzvot--- then had your shalom been as a river, and your righteousness as the waves of the sea: Isa 48:19 your seed also had been as the sand, and the offspring of your loins like the grains of it: his name would not be cut off nor destroyed from before me. Isa 48:20 Go you forth from Bavel, flee you from the Kasdim; with a voice of singing declare you, tell this, utter it even to the end of the eretz: say you, the LORD has redeemed his servant Ya-akov. Isa 48:21 They didn't thirst when he led them through the deserts; he caused the waters to flow out of the rock for them; he split the rock also, and the waters gushed out. Isa 48:22 There is no shalom, says the LORD, to the wicked. END |
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42 | Followers of "The Way" - meaning? | Acts 9:2 | yonderfulzonderless | 193421 | ||
i see that many here are pressing for great Answers Thanks and lets all work your sentence could mean He is the Only Narrowest Way totally through thick clouds to God see former hardcore drug addict, Christian Steve Hill who was pardoned in Police court on Wikipedia and elsewhere. he came preached, buy ALL the Christian music selling even if it wasnt nice, because it is Spiritual Music that satisfies ALL. i thank him for this even though i was one of the very few then who took his advice well. What i regret is not buying the music for poorer believers all around. if Hillsong can do so when they next come, give BIG discounts when more than one copy of the same is bought. i think the criticism writing on Wikipedia-- the expectation that Hills church revival is not godly unless it benefits economic growth is Satanic.(Consider Solomon failure to care ---the chapter around the OT verse on 666--- 666 is in archaic language in the KJV and does not appear as a number there. The Prime Minister of Singapore got 66.6 per cent of the political vote in the last election, a God Sign to the World i believe despite the cowardice of my pastors not to react) at the moment my impression from all my superstars below is, your verse above, He is Dangerous but exciting shortcut to Rounded Success---psalm one. i am a thirtysomething who is just begun experiencing a midlife crisis---look it up on www, and i think God wants me to mourn as well as be joyous so as to remain spiritually sober and watchful (Ecclesiast, OT, Epistles, NT) i attend Word-adherent charismatic churches too, and buy charismatic megachurches Hillsong Church Australia n H Church UK music i prefer singer Twila Paris (DD - meaning she has a Doctorate degree in Divinity, the highest achievable university title in detailed Bible Studies) to Hillsong music because she carries across spirit messages better for me to seek meditation on Bible in awe--- psalm one--- and she is deep into Scripture in her lyrics---song words. i listen to Paris unendingly every day as i soak to saturation the NASB, the AmpB, the NKJV, the KJV, the NIV, the TNIV(despite its www controversy i like the suggestions in connotations of this hypermodern version), the NCV, the CEV, the Extreme New Testmt, and the New English Bible. being psychotic i cannot exert in ministry much. the failure of my charismatic elders to understand this common sense is appalling, isnt it. at the moment Bible study and Praise and Worship via DVD alone is my top priority. to understand Jesus even slightly in a holistic full sense through the Bible you all, need mighty effort, though Jesus understands all. i dont agree that just --one Bible with God around does it all-- a popular piece of getting started advice ----worship in Spirit and Truth, with all your Being Luke and John. i have read she- T Paris is a Baptist who believes Jesus not only is THE way to God, but he is ALL WAYS to God however, i buy hillsong every year because it helps me relate to less talented musicians who serve God well. one of my B-P church elders says that when the Amplified B translates in amplified form, you should see everything as overlapping spillover possibilities of Gospel truth, rather than total truth everywhere on the page. this is not philosophy. Think that through. i also like Christian teenage band Jump 5, who though not deep into Bible training, is full of spiritually encouraging and uplifting songs. Jump 5 won a WOW Hits award for Spinning Around, a song i think means that God loves keep you on your feet busy with His business, like a toy top to my joy, now Christian Revival with joyous thoughtful mourning with the Spirit, sweeps my whole being night and day. My psychiatrist---see my other answer—has his own ideas and calls it bipolar disorder depression, or extreme swings of mood. He could be right, but like Jesus raised ----the Ceaser coin---, the joy of the highest spiritual adventure w Jesus I think prophetically is often BOTH, he sees an incomplete picture, God is my Author and Perfector, Maranatha—see Bible My junior leaders, impressed by my prophetic gift have suggested I break off and form my own church with friends and them. One suggested interfaith fashion with Mormons too. I am now going to seek my local charismatic pastors favour as last straw. Jesus is mine and I am his, his banner over me is love. For application, consider how Michael Peter Fay, a Christian who signed the cross b4 TV as Witnessing when convicted of vandalism who I see as not that serious a gone case and spiritual failure as Hill was at one point, or Diego Maradona who started his own football church, could benefit from your evangelism if they were in contact with you, considering Steve Hill. Persevere in prayer. Woe to oppressive dictators. |
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43 | stones cry out | Luke | yonderfulzonderless | 193398 | ||
do a search on an internet concordance: stones OT and NT and ask God to rush you powerful answers if you have received Christ as Saviour. ASK, SEEK, KNOCK. First, as Saviour, then, as Guide, then, as Lord, then, as Bridegroom-King |
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44 | lying spirit? | Luke | yonderfulzonderless | 193397 | ||
i have no academically certified Bible training, so i will quote from a good reliable Bible dictionary first. i will try to answer by myself later and indicate so then. i have come to see through special Revelation from God that every Bible verse OT and NT can be related to the Church, Jesus Christ and modern Israel, though by my knowledge (and i have spent much on Bible reference and guide Books) no book tries to cross-reference every verse NIV Compact Nave s Topical Bible my impressions: i have the original Nave's Topical Bible published far earlier. NIV is a major revision with many interesting new notes by J Kohlenberger III, a good Bible scholar (evangelical, conservative, non-charismatic- my impressions. i attend Word-reliant Spirit-filled charismatic and conservative Protestant churches. --All rights reserved, except for brief quotations in printed reviews without written permission.-- severely reduced excerpt: Falsehood: Atonement for Lev 6:2-7 ... (all-my confident insertion) falsehood will be found out Prov 10:9 28:18 Destructive: ... one entry: Isa. 32:7 other Bible dictionary entries i wont cover: Accusation Conspiracy Deceit Deception False Witness Flattery Hypocrisy Perjury Teachers, False All guilty of ... Ps 116:11 ... Ro 3:4 Wicked easily misled by Pr 14:8 Pr 17:4 Refrained from by the righteous (...Job 33) Examples/Instances of: Satan fools Eve (Ge 3...) in impugning Job's motives for being righteous (Job 1:9-10 2:4-5) in tempting Jesus (Matt 4 Luke 4) im leaving out one full page of verse references in about small size 10 Times New Roman Microsoft Word print my (yonderf-) expanded answer with my life application n healing testimony i was diagnosed by a certified government psychiatrist b4 my compulsory military service as differentially and affectively schizophrenic 10 years ago. i saw a lot of meaning in philosophy and psychology, more than in the Bible, because it was all appealing and seeming logical likely true suggestive knowledge. Thoughts bombarded me like fighter jets day and night, and i still excelled in my studies. many psychologists and philosophers i discovered from my evangelism have such dialectical thought patterns. at Lighthouse Evangelism, a church in Singapore i was instantly quasi-healed. all of a sudden during my first LE Miracle Service- these are held every month then, every week now thanks to the Pastor's renewed calling, a volunteer tested and approved by the church leaders, also a new but fervent believer, Danny Chng (who has given me some books helpful to understanding the Bible and Jesus well and anew and afresh in very accurate ways, and unfortunately lost contact with me for some years now due to pager termination) cast out a LEGION OF THOUGHT DEMONS from me in Jesus mighty name and all of a sudden my mind / psyche conscious field came together powerfully where before it was disjointed to smithereens and splinters by fighter jet like thoughts darting everywhere and always very distracting. Praise the Lord! i am aware that i am not totally healed and reliant on medication, but with this quasi-healing from Jesus i STARTED RESPONDING QUICKLY to v v light psychotic medication where b4 i was UNRESPONSIVE TO ALL MEDICATION THAT FAR (dystopia or restlessness as a side effect of starting psychotic medication-- search www) Senior Pastor Rony of LE has brought healing through Jesus even of many foreigners who came from the world over!! see his website. i would very much like to leave my full name or initials but it is against my family-s wishes for professional reasons. LE is strict about public witnessing of quasi-healing ie partial healing, even though it is very very great and A real GLORY TO GOD MOST HIGH!! On that blessed night at LEMS, i vowed to Jesus that i would do my best to meet his expectations of me in every way i could, to my best ability, with the Holy Spirit help. This has been my only vow, I dont take vows lightly i have kept the vow and prospered with God's favour remember this: behind every slightest evil thought or hypocrisy is a demon, or even Satan himself. Demons played hide and seek even with Jesus in flesh on earth and on the cross, and are very active now, write many. I have been a Christian all my life since I learnt talking, though a doubting Thomas who always wanted to see proof not just biblically until this MIRACLE endnote This NIV book is priced at usd9.99 paperback can d14.99 Tecman at Bras Basah Complex, a good Christian bookshop with many reference books, sells this it-s cheaper than most such books |
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45 | Is killing scriptual in theNEW TESTAMENT | Matt 5:44 | yonderfulzonderless | 192564 | ||
meditate, and analyze closely, the following: Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition. (DRA) Passage Romans 9:22-23: 22What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much patience vessels of wrath, fitted for destruction, 23That he might shew the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he hath prepared unto glory? Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition. (DRA) New International Reader's Version (NIRV) Passage Romans 9:22-23: 22 What if God chose to show his great anger? What if he chose to make his power known? That is why he put up with people he was angry with. They had been made to be destroyed. 23 What if he did that to show the riches of his glory to others? Those are the people he shows his mercy to. He had prepared them to receive his glory. New International Reader's Version (NIRV) Copyright © 1996, 1998 by International Bible Society Wycliffe New Testament (WYC) Passage Romans 9:22-23: 22 And if God willing to show his wrath, and to make his power known, hath suffered in great patience vessels of wrath able into death, [That if God willing to show wrath, and to make his power known, sustained in great patience the vessels of wrath able into perdition, or damnation,] 23 to show the riches of his glory [that he should show the riches of his glory] into vessels of mercy, which he made ready into glory. Wycliffe New Testament (WYC) 2001 by Terrence P. Noble, Young's Literal Translation (YLT) Passage Romans 9:22-23: 22And if God, willing to shew the wrath and to make known His power, did endure, in much long suffering, vessels of wrath fitted for destruction, 23and that He might make known the riches of His glory on vessels of kindness, that He before prepared for glory, whom also He did call -- us -- Young's Literal Translation (YLT) Public Domain New Living Translation (NLT) Passage Romans 9:22-23: 22 In the same way, even though God has the right to show his anger and his power, he is very patient with those on whom his anger falls, who are destined for destruction. 23 He does this to make the riches of his glory shine even brighter on those to whom he shows mercy, who were prepared in advance for glory. New Living Translation (NLT) Holy Bible. New Living Translation copyright © 1996, 2004 |
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46 | Is killing scriptual in theNEW TESTAMENT | Matt 5:44 | yonderfulzonderless | 192373 | ||
addendum nasb-- john 8:9 When they heard it, they began to go out one by one, beginning with the older ones, and He was left alone, and the woman, where she was, in the center of the court. c(my comments):this is a Judgment Encounter with the religious Jewish rulers vanquished, and a Redemption-Justification Encounter with Jesus the Saviour Experienced firsthand! MMM v11 She said, No one, Lord. ---------- c: jesus does not condemn those ordered march into war. Jesus does not ache to condemn us, but to redeem. 12 Then Jesus again spoke to them, saying, I am the Light of the world; he who follows Me will not walk in the darkness, but will have the Light of life. c-the Fruits of the Spirit (search the internet for notes etc) 13 So the Pharisees said to Him, You are testifying about Yourself; Your testimony is not true. c- the world outside the Church unfailingly sees us as without reliable truth. But we must stand up for Jesus, right, Amen 14 Jesus answered and said to them, Even if ---- for I know where I came from and where I am going; but you do not know where I come from or where I am going. c-many times war leaders dont know exactly how big wars with changing weather and the rest are going, but God knows all 15 You judge according to the flesh; I am not judging anyone. c: (war commanders judge by body movements. i see t Christ prefers not to judge this way. He judges most perfectly by OTHER higher standards … 24 Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins. c: jesus IS very concerned with death and sin, their gravity 25 So they were saying to Him, Who are You? Jesus said to them, What have I been saying to you from the beginning - many people are walking zombies, with eyes that dont see, ears that dont hear -- Holy Spirit Reality[[[my comments ]]]]------------Copyright Zondervan NIVConcordance next verse references ----John10:27 James1:19 James1:22(the Bible to churches after Christ ascended a while after he resurrected) Proverbs 1:5(OT) 26 I have many things to speak and to judge concerning you, but He who sent Me is true; and the things which I heard from Him -I speak to the world. c- (Christ is concerned with non-Jews listens responsively to non-Christians who seek him all out today for everything including his salvation 27 They did not realize that He had been speaking to them about the Father. 39 They answered and said to Him, Abraham is our father. Jesus said to them, If you are Abraham's children, do the deeds of Abraham. c-(abraham went to war to save Lot from evil kings Genesis 14(OT)--i guess jesus does not object to we sacrificing ourselves for others' redemption and salvation and continued security and prosperity. 40 But as it is, you are seeking to kill Me, a man who has told you the truth, which I heard from God; this Abraham did not do. --abraham went to war against evil robber hordes. the religious leaders sought to kill Jesus who never did any evil. They instead freed Barabbas, a bandit (New English Bible, cyright Oxford University Press) ---- 55 and you have not come to know Him, but I know Him -- and keep His word. 56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad. 57 So the Jews said to Him, You are not yet fifty -- have You seen Abraham c---many of the elderly today look down on the young likewise. God can reveal Himself to very young people, even like the OT Prophet Samuel, even like wise adviser Elihu in the OT Book of Job, even like Mary mother of Jesus Christ in the Gospels, even like St. Timothy understudy of St. Paul in the epistle of 1 2Tim 58 Jesus said to them, Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am. i disagree with all scholars that this was the only claim of jesus to being God. there is at least another compelling verse in the NT, across Bibles. 59 Therefore they picked up stones to throw at Him, but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple. -in war, avoid unnecessary confrontation and bloodshed, tailgate God even in war, listen for Him mindfully, intently; now in peacetime train your discipleship-in-Christ up through regular quiet time in meditating the Scriptures - possibly the same stones they wanted to throw earlier they now threw at our Saviour this is the shock of global war that turns suddenly against the unprepared and unready; a third of American troops/soldiers have gone mad, the news coming out of Iraq on the www- join me in committing to pray for those at war and those who support war effort honorably--- ----- |
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47 | Is killing scriptual in theNEW TESTAMENT | Matt 5:44 | yonderfulzonderless | 192367 | ||
let me try to help you with my current degree of understanding of the OT as applies to the NT and Jesus life. KJV Ecclesiastes 1:18-2:7 can be applied quite exactly to Jesus' teaching in my view "he that increaseth knowledge(wisdom 18a) increaseth sorrow" JESUS: BEHOLD A MAN'S RICHNESS COMPRISES NOT JUST BY HIS MATERIAL POSSESSIONS; PAUL: YOU NEED TO BE A FOOL TO BE WISE BY CHRIST'S JUDGMENT IN THESE LAST DAYS ECC 2:1 I said in mine heart... i will prove thee with mirth...enjoy...behold, this also is vanity----JESUS STARTED WITH BLESSING A WEDDING MARRIAGE, WITH PARTYING WITH SINNERS AND ROMAN EMPIRE PUPPET TAXMEN, WITH HEALING THE OUTCAST BY JEWISH RELIGIOUS LAW ETC. this proved that those "RIGHTEOUS" WORSHIPPERS who tried their best to enjoy yourself to the full gave up the very essence of spirituality-prophetically to confirm Jesus as Saviour!! situations require believing Christians to march for and into war to invert global comfort zone luxury paradigms so that the Gospel may be needed and availed more, my reading. 2 i said of laughter, it is mad... what doeth it? -HEDONISM AND CARPE DIEM, POP SUPERSTAR, DINING CULTURE TODAY, ZONDERVAN COPYRIGHT MANY STUDY REFERENCE WORKS 1990S 3 i sought in mine heart to give myself unto wine... to lay hold on folly, till i might see...good---THE WISDOM OF THE HOLY SPIRIT ELUDES EVEN TOP-RATED KING SOLOMON (QUEEN OF SHEBA'S COMPLIMENTS AND CONCESSION OF HIS SUPREMACY IN WISDOM DESPITE HER EARLIER DOUBTS BEFORE TESTING AND PROBING HIM BEFORE HIS WHOLE COURT AND HERS). SOLOMON PROBES HIS LIMITS USING NATURAL MEANS. JESUS PROBES our LIMITS USING SUPERNATURAL MEANS, YET GIVES UP HIS LIFE WILLINGLY, ON THE CROSS, FOR OUR GLORY 4 i made me great works....-houses, planted... vineyards...gardens and orchards... all kinds of fruits...pools of water...to water...the wood that bringeth forth the trees JESUS THE CARPENTER JOSEPH'S PROTEGE AND UNDERSTUDY. JESUS PROVED GOD'S SUPPORTIVE GRACE, "INCREASED IN WISDOM AND STATURE AMONG GOD AND MAN". THE APOSTLE PAUL TEACHES OF INVISIBLE INFINITE RESOURCES IN THE GIFTS (AS OPPOSED TO HARD CONSTRUCTION AND ENDEAVOURS) AND FRUIT OF THE SPIRIT. JESUS IN TALKING TO THE WOMAN AT THE WELL IN THE GOSPEL ASKS HER TO ask !!God (MEANING GOD THIRSTS AS WE THIRST FOR HIM, SO THAT HE MAY FILL US AS WE SEEK HIM IN UNION, MY PERSONAL ORIGINAL VIEW). JESUS PARTED WITH FINALITY IN CHARGING, "GO YE INTO ALL THE WORLD, PREACH THE GOSPEL TO EVERY CREATURE IE WHATEVER HIS CHARACTER) 7. i got me servants and maidens, and had servants born in my house...great possessions...cattle great and small above all (i guess, some clear justification for war in the Chain of Promptly Obeyed Military Command) the servants (servicemen today in war and at peace, to enforce order and not allow easy anarchy) and maidens (supportive co-workers) support the cattle (weaker believers) great and small (of all backgrounds in life) above all (united in the Spirit in the Church Victorious Over the World--remember Jesus--"i have overcome the world") |
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48 | Hypocrite and refused to be saved same? | Bible general Archive 3 | yonderfulzonderless | 192364 | ||
Quoting AMP Bible: 1 Cor 5:1 IT IS actually reported that there is sexual immorality [[among you KJV--YOU not thee--individual you in kjv age---kjv you--THE WHOLE CHURCH AS A UNITED COMMUNITY---]], impurity of a sort that is condemned and does not occur even among the heathen(--Gentiles-KJV --probably non-Christians n non-Jews since they gathered together in the same synagogues initially during the apostolic church age); for a man has [his own] father's wife. [Deut. 22:30; 27:20.] ... 1 Cor 5:4 In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, on the man who has committed such a deed. When you and my own spirit are met together with the power of our Lord Jesus, 1 Cor 5:5 You are to deliver this man over to Satan for physical discipline [to destroy carnal lusts which prompted him to incest], that [his] spirit may [yet] be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus. 1 Cor 5:6 [About the condition of your church] your boasting is not good [indeed, it is most unseemly and entirely out of place]. Do you not know that [just] a little leaven will ferment the whole lump [of dough]? 1 Cor 5:7 Purge (clean out) the old leaven that you may be fresh (new) dough, still uncontaminated [as you are], for Christ, our Passover [Lamb], has been sacrificed. 1 Cor 5:8 Therefore, let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, nor with leaven of vice and malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened [bread] of purity (nobility, honor) and sincerity and [unadulterated] truth. [Exod. 12:19; 13:7; Deut. 16:3.] 1 Cor 5:9 I wrote you in my [previous] letter not to associate [closely and habitually] with unchaste (impure) people-- 1 Cor 5:10 Not [meaning of course that you must] altogether shun the immoral people of this world, or the greedy graspers and cheats and thieves or idolaters, since otherwise you would need to get out of the world and human society altogether! 1 Cor 5:11 But now I write to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of [Christian] brother if he is known to be guilty of immorality or greed, or is an idolater [whose soul is devoted to any object that usurps the place of God], or is a person with a foul tongue [railing, abusing, reviling, slandering], or is a drunkard or a swindler or a robber. [No] you must not so much as eat with such a person. 1 Cor 5:12 What [business] of mine is it and what right have I to judge outsiders? Is it not those inside [the church] upon whom you are to pass disciplinary judgment [passing censuring sentence on them as the facts require]? 1 Cor 5:13 God alone sits in judgment on those who are outside. Drive out that wicked one from among you [expel him from your church]. i would agree basically with you and St. Paul!! if hypocrites, in Jesus' very coined words in THAT NEW CONTEXT, were to gatecrash into the Church forcefully not pretending they are sinners, we are to cast them out!! however, spirituality on a more glorious level would empower us with Spirit-Anointed Wisdom and Power to discern when and where to impose and not to, ie when and where possible, even to eat and drink with tax collectors to convert their inclinations, just as the Saviour of the World, Jesus did (Matthew 9:especially v10-13 Romans 5:8 1Timothy1:15) a caveat here. Matthew 23:2-3 v2."...the scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses seat 3. all therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do, but do not ye after their works, for they say, and (yet) do not"---kjv!!do pray over ephesians 4,Philipp.1 Philipp.1 KJV: v1 to all... saints... bishops 2 Grace be unto you, and peace... from God AND from Jesus 3 i thank my God upon every remembrance of you 4. always in every prayer of mine for you all making request with joy (emphasis on you ALL or ALL OF YOU reminds us of JCs last words, Father, forgive them, for they know not all they do 5. For your fellowship IN THE GOSPEL... v14: And many of the brethren in the Lord, waxing confident by my bonds, are much more bold to speak the word without fear study the follow-up vs 15-18 you should not fear what evil will come of you and your church should the excommunicated backfire in revenge. the Lord keep you in His love, grace and peace as you demonstrate the full outworking of the gospel of real concrete salvation i trust from what you wrote you are a serious Christian, though troubled by this or other issues, how could i help you more? nb if you dont think much of this answer, pray over it and seek others' counsel. this is my first answer ever in my Christian life of nearly 30 years in a www forum, not face-to-face i have no formal theological training i am a lay Bible student who self-studies especially what Zondervan publishes. Zondervan is my favourite publishing house. i like its scholasticism. however i think most readers who buy its reference works dont quite understand much. i am here to help, and i hope this community welcomes and appreciates my presence |
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