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41 | How do you then interpret the verses... | Luke 8:13 | userdoe220 | 9688 | ||
Paul even admits there is a point in which a man will not acknowledge God in Romans 1, yet according to Tyndale commentary it is impossible for a "dead man" to have anything to do with responding to God. | ||||||
42 | Can a believer lose his salvation? | Luke 8:13 | userdoe220 | 9708 | ||
Continue reading past verse 27. Wow! context, context, context. No external force can drive me out of the fathers hand. Jesus was not convering the free choice of man. |
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43 | Can a believer lose his salvation? | Luke 8:13 | userdoe220 | 9709 | ||
It is the very natural reading of the passage. | ||||||
44 | Can a believer lose his salvation? | Luke 8:13 | userdoe220 | 9712 | ||
When I got saved in 1988 I did not grow up in church and for the first 6 months did not attend a church anywhere (I am not condoning this, just stating the facts). I read through the entire N.T. twice during this period and never once got the idea that once we were saved we were "always saved." I read the Bible without any pre-concieved ideas (No Charles Stanley this is how you should interpret verses that contradict how I believe manuals). In fact (show you how niave I was), I believe every Christian believed that you could walk away from your faith. I mean if Paul felt he could and the author of Hebrews I felt I was in good company. Well, finally I became gainfully employed at McDonalds (I was 16 at the time) and ran across my first "Once saved always saved" believer. He was married, cheating on his wife, smoked like a race horse and drank profusely. I began to share with him the salvation message with him and he told me he was saved! I said, "You must be crazy to think you are saved living like that!" after the, "Judge not lest you be judged" passage was quoted, he began to tell me that his pastor told him he was saved because he went down the isle when he was 12 (the age of accountability) and was baptized later that year. I told him that he needed to go to a Bible-Believing church and not get wrapped up in some cult (again, I don't believe you are a cult, this is the way I saw things back than.). I thought his church was completly false and his pastor was way off base. After all, how could someone read the Bible (the 1st year I was saved I read the entire Bible 2x and a number of books in the N.T. more than 3x) and come to that crazy conclusion. Since that expereince, I have ran into many people who believe that once you are saved you are always saved (and please spare me the "he did not truly understand the 5 points of calvanism and he was never truly saved to begin with...") I have read a number of books on this topic from the other perspective: So Great a Salvation, Ryrie Systematic Theology, Wayne Gruden. Systematic Theology, Hodge Chosen but Free, Geisler (at least he admits to a problem with calvanistic theology. His book tries to wed the two concepts.) Countless commentaries that mangle the plain meaning of a text to force a passage into thier belief system! and will admit that there are a couple(emphasis) passages of scripture I have to scratch my head on and leave it to the Lord: Jn 6 and Rom 8. The other worn out passages are easily explained by context. Over my studies I have ran across more than two scriptures with very little explanation offered by my opponants on this matter: Galatians 1:6-8 Heb 10:26-31 Heb 6:4-6 II Pet 2:20-22 Mt 10:22 Mt 13:21 Rom 11:20-23 II Pet 2:15 Jude 21 Heb 3:6 I Tim 4:1 And I could go on, and on and on. These are passages, unaided from some commentary trying to tell me what they should say, that I beleive firmly debunks once saved always saved. |
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45 | water into wine | John 2:1 | userdoe220 | 11688 | ||
"Wine is Wine is Wine is Wine." Jeffery Sief, Ph.d | ||||||
46 | water into wine | John 2:1 | userdoe220 | 11729 | ||
In referring to the passage in question: "Wine is wine is wine is wine" Jeffery Sief, Phd. You said it correclty, "it can refer to fermented and unfermented." In this passage I believe it was fermented. Please read Alfred Erdshiem (also a Jewish scholar like Jeffery Sief) who would very strongly disagree with your conclusion on this topic. Real wine (the kind with alcohol in it) is used today, as it has for 1,000's of years, in Jewish weddings. Only shallow, legalistic American Christainity has made it a "sin" to partake of wine(alcoholic kind.) I would agree that wine can make one stumble if taken in excess--hence the many warnings about abusing it in scripture--but nowhere is drinking alcohol forbidden. I really liked you study in the Hebrew word for wine (still not sure what relevance Hebrew is to the Greek language or the passage in question; nevertheless it was a nice study). |
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47 | hoyy spirit bap. evidence tounges? | Acts | userdoe220 | 9775 | ||
In Acts 2 reference are you saying the diciples were not saved? The reason I ask is because you equate Spirit Baptism with salvation. There are 5 instances in the Book of Acts that mention the Baptism in the Holy Spirit. Almost all--if not all-- occur after a believers conversion (In Acts 8 Phillip preached salvation to the Samaritans and the apostles came down later to administer the Baptisme in the Holy Spirit--Again, this was after their conversion expereince. In fact the scripture records that they believed and werer Baptized). This observation has led to two seperate but related theologies: 2nd work of Grace and Pentecostal/charismatic Baptism in the Holy Spirit. Can you show me in the Bible where the term Baptism in the Holy Spirit is directly connected to salvation? If is is there, I would love to see it. |
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48 | What is Christianity? | Acts | userdoe220 | 9778 | ||
Hate to tell you this, but the Westminister Confession of faith is not the Bible. | ||||||
49 | What is Christianity? | Acts | userdoe220 | 9779 | ||
Good answer. I will only add one more statement: And the only accurate way we know who Jesus is and what he requires of us is through His teachings which are recorded in the Bible. | ||||||
50 | hoyy spirit bap. evidence tounges? | Acts | userdoe220 | 9811 | ||
The infilling and Baptized in the Holy Spirit are synonomous terms | ||||||
51 | hoyy spirit bap. evidence tounges? | Acts | userdoe220 | 9813 | ||
The reason I feel they are synonomous is the events that surround the five instances are unique and the same. Might want to start with John's statement about the one who is to come who will "Baptize you in the Holy Spirit and Fire." Acts 2:4-6; Acts 8:1-22 (Does not mention tongues, but something very micraculous took place when the apostles, after they were saved, layed hands on them to recieve the "gift" of the Holy Spirit. What happened? Maybe tongues, maybe some other manifestation. don't know. But I do know it was after their salvation expereince). Acts 9:11 (Saul's conversion accompanied his Infilling with the Holy Spirit. Does not record tongues, but from 1 Cor 12-14 we know Paul regularly exercised this gift in his personal life. Could he have received this gift at this time? Maybe. The Bible does not tell us.) Acts 10:44-50 (How did Peter know they received the Baptism in the Holy Ghost? "For they heard them speaking in tongues and praising God" verse 46. Acts 11: 15-18. (How do I know that Cornelious' expereince was the Baptism in the Holy Ghost? Peter Qoutes John the Baptist in verse 16. He is the one that equates the expereince to Spirit Baptism. Notice in Acts 10 he does not use the Term "Baptism in the Holy Spirit", but "Filling!" This shows that in Luke's mind these two events were synonomous. Notice he also refers to this expereince as the "gift of the Holy Ghost". Now, we have three terms each used to describe an expereince that Pentecostals-charismatics-Peter refers to as the Baptism in the Holy Ghost.) Acts 19:1-10 (notice they were saved first and than Paul "layed his hands on them, the Holy Spirit Descended and they spoke in tongues and prophesied." Unless you believe that salvation must be given through the laying on of hands,this event must be post-conversion. I am not saying that every event (Paul's conversion for example) just nails down the Baptism in the Holy Spirit is subsequent to Salvation. But I hope you see that this is not some made-up idea with no support in scripture, but was the practice in the early N.T. church. |
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52 | hoyy spirit bap. evidence tounges? | Acts | userdoe220 | 9856 | ||
I guess Luke the author of Acts was mistaken and you are right. Do you know what synonomous means? | ||||||
53 | hoyy spirit bap. evidence tounges? | Acts | userdoe220 | 9857 | ||
Do you know what synonomouse means? When two different words share the same or similar meaning. You can't always go to Vines, just like we can't always go to Webster, to get a meaning of a word. Luke used the term "filling" and "Baptism in the Holy Spirit" to refer to the same event--Cornelius's salvation. If they were not the same, Luke would not have used that term It is almost like the argument of spirit soul. Each word (In Vines) has a different meaning or definition. However, there are some in Christianity that feel these terms are synonomouos. No, Baptism in the Holy Spirit is not conversion. The book of Acts CLEARLY states that this expereince comes after salvation. |
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54 | hoyy spirit bap. evidence tounges? | Acts | userdoe220 | 9877 | ||
Just read the passage in Acts 11. I rest my case. | ||||||
55 | When did the day of worship change? | Acts | userdoe220 | 18824 | ||
Please re-read my post. I stated in my post that I would let "other people determine weather it was right or wrong" I was just answering the portion of her question concerning the early history in the church. I guess I will throw a few observations your way on this issue. Of course Jesus worshipped on Saturday--He was a Jew! Moot Point. The question is, are we as belivers under the New Covenant Mandated to worship on one particular day? I would say no. Col 2:16-18 16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or A SABBATH DAY (emphasis mine). 17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ. 18 Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you for the prize. Such a person goes into great detail about what he has seen, and his unspiritual mind puffs him up with idle notions. - This passage tackles a number of Jewish related issues. Paul was addressing a group of Jews who was attempting to Judiaze the church--make them submit to Jewish customs. I would read this whole book and take a look at the book of Galatians and the Jerusalem council in Acts 15. The Apostles made it abundatly clear that certain things--Like circumcision--was optional for the beliver. To believe otherwise is to deny the plain reading of these passages. I am not sure how much clearer Paul could get on this particular issue but it seems like there are those in Christendom that want to drag us back under the ritual observances of the Law. |
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56 | When did the day of worship change? | Acts | userdoe220 | 18827 | ||
"The change happened 3 centuries after Jesus died. Justinian as emperor established the first sunday law." That is not true at all. I will have to do this in multiple posts becuase there is so much material against what you have just said. Read below |
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57 | When did the day of worship change? | Acts | userdoe220 | 18828 | ||
Change happened 3 centuries after Jesus is just not true. I will only include Apostolic Father qoutes in this post prior to the 3rd century. NOtice most of these qoutes are in the 1st/2nd century of the church. I have a whole bunch more but feel this will suffice. · 130AD BARNABAS: Moreover God says to the Jews, 'Your new moons and Sabbaths 1 cannot endure.' You see how he says, 'The present Sabbaths are not acceptable to me, but the Sabbath which I have made in which, when I have rested [heaven: Heb 4] from all things, I will make the beginning of the eighth day which is the beginning of another world.' Wherefore we Christians keep the eighth day for joy, on which also Jesus arose from the dead and when he appeared ascended into heaven. (15:8f, The Epistle of Barnabas, 100 AD, Ante-Nicene Fathers , vol. 1, pg. 147) · 150AD EPISTLE OF THE APOSTLES.- I [Christ] have come into being on the eighth day which is the day of the Lord. (18)1 · 150AD JUSTIN: ...those who have persecuted and do persecute Christ, if they do not repent, shall not inherit anything on the holy mountain. But the Gentiles, who have believed on Him, and have repented of the sins which they have committed, they shall receive the inheritance along with the patriarchs and the prophets, and the just men who are descended from Jacob, even although they neither keep the Sabbath, nor are circumcised, nor observe the feasts. Assuredly they shall receive the holy inheritance of God. (Dialogue With Trypho the Jew, 150-165 AD, Ante-Nicene Fathers , vol. 1, page 207) · 150AD JUSTIN: But if we do not admit this, we shall be liable to fall into foolish opinion, as if it were not the same God who existed in the times of Enoch and all the rest, who neither were circumcised after the flesh, nor observed Sabbaths, nor any other rites, seeing that Moses enjoined such observances... For if there was no need of circumcision before Abraham, or of the observance of Sabbaths, of feasts and sacrifices, before Moses; no more need is there of them now, after that, according to the will of God, Jesus Christ the Son of God has been born without sin, of a virgin sprung from the stock of Abraham. (Dialogue With Trypho the Jew, 150-165 AD, Ante-Nicene Fathers , vol. 1, page 206) · 150AD JUSTIN: But Sunday is the day on which we hold our common assembly, because it is the first day of the week and Jesus our saviour on the same day rose from the dead. (First apology of Justin, Ch 68) · 150AD JUSTIN: Moreover, all those righteous men already mentioned [after mentioning Adam. Abel, Enoch, Lot, Noah, Melchizedek, and Abraham], though they kept no Sabbaths, were pleasing to God; and after them Abraham with all his descendants until Moses... And you [fleshly Jews] were commanded to keep Sabbaths, that you might retain the memorial of God. For His word makes this announcement, saying, "That you may know that I am God who redeemed you." (Dialogue With Trypho the Jew, 150-165 AD, Ante-Nicene Fathers , vol. 1, page 204) · 150AD JUSTIN: The commandment of circumcision, requiring them always to circumcise the children on the eighth day, was a type of the true circumcision by which we are circumcised from error and evil through the resurrection from the dead on the first day of the week of Jesus Christ our Lord. For the first day of the week, although it is the first of all days, yet according to the number of the days in a cycle is called the eighth (while still remaining the first). (Dialogue 41:4) · |
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58 | When did the day of worship change? | Acts | userdoe220 | 18829 | ||
Part II of qoutes from the Fathers. 150AD JUSTIN: There is no other thing for which you blame us, my friends, is there than this? That we do not live according to the Law, nor, are we circumcised in the flesh as your forefathers, nor do we observe the Sabbath as you do. (Dialogue with Trypho 10:1. In verse 3 the Jew Trypho acknowledges that Christians 'do not keep the Sabbath.') · 150AD JUSTIN: We are always together with one another. And for all the things with which we are supplied we bless the Maker of all through his Son Jesus Christ and through his Holy Spirit. And on the day called Sunday there is a gathering together in the same place of all who live in a city or a rural district. (There follows an account of a Christian worship service, which is quoted in VII.2.) We all make our assembly in common on the day of the Sun, since it is the first day, on which God changed the darkness and matter and made the world, and Jesus Christ our Savior arose from the dead on the same day. For they crucified him on the day before Saturn's day, and on the day after (which is the day of the Sun the appeared to his apostles and taught his disciples these things. (Apology, 1, 67:1-3, 7; First Apology, 145 AD, Ante-Nicene Fathers , Vol. 1, pg. 186) · 155 AD Justin Martyr "[W]e too would observe the fleshly circumcision, and the Sabbaths, and in short all the feasts, if we did not know for what reason they were enjoined [on] you--namely, on account of your transgressions and the hardness of your heart. . . . [H]ow is it, Trypho, that we would not observe those rites which do not harm us--I speak of fleshly circumcision and Sabbaths and feasts? . . . God enjoined you [Jews] to keep the Sabbath, and impose on you other precepts for a sign, as I have already said, on account of your unrighteousness and that of your fathers" (Dialogue with Trypho the Jew 18, 21). · 180AD ACTS OF PETER.- Paul had often contended with the Jewish teachers and had confuted them, saying 'it is Christ on whom your fathers laid hands. He abolished their Sabbath and fasts and festivals and circumcision.' (1: I)-2 · 180AD GOSPEL OF PETER: Early in the morning when (he Sabbath dawned, a multitude from Jerusalem and the surrounding country came to see the scaled sepulchre. In the night in which the Lord's day dawned, while the soldiers in pairs for each watch were keeping guard, a great voice came from heaven. [There follows an account of the resurrection. Early in the morning of the Lord's day Mary Magdalene, a disciple of the Lord …. came to the sepulchre. (9:34f.; 12:50f.) · 190AD CLEMENT OF ALEXANDRIA: (in commenting on each of the Ten Commandments and their Christian meaning:) The seventh day is proclaimed a day of rest, preparing by abstention from evil for the Primal day, our true rest. (Ibid. VII. xvi. 138.1) · 190AD CLEMENT OF ALEXANDRIA: He does the commandment according to the Gospel and keeps the Lord's day, whenever he puts away an evil mind . . . glorifying the Lord's resurrection in himself. (Ibid. Vii.xii.76.4) · 190AD CLEMENT OF ALEXANDRIA: Plato prophetically speaks of the Lord's day in the tenth book of the Republic, in these words: 'And when seven days have passed to each of them in the meadow, on the eighth they must go on." (Miscellanies V.xiv.106.2) |
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59 | When did the day of worship change? | Acts | userdoe220 | 18830 | ||
"Search for yourself in the enciclopedyas" I will provide you with a couple that I own on this subject. Notice the date is not in the 3rd century. ENCYCLOPEDIA BRITANNICA: Sunday, first day of the week; in Christianity, the Lord's Day, the weekly memorial of Jesus Christ's resurrection from the dead. The practice of Christians gathering together for worship on Sunday dates back to apostolic times, but details of the actual development of the custom are not clear. Before the end of the 1st Century AD, the author of Revelation gave the first day its name of the "Lord's Day" (Rev. 1:10). Saint Justin Martyr (c. 100-c. 165), philosopher and defender of the Christian faith, in his writings described the Christians gathered together for worship on the Lord's Day: the gospels or the Old Testament was read, the presiding minister preached a sermon, and the group prayed together and celebrated the Lord's Supper. The emperor Constantine (d. 337), a convert to Christianity, introduced the first civil legislation concerning Sunday in 321, when he decreed that all work should cease on Sunday, except that farmers could work if necessary. This law, aimed at providing time for worship, was followed later in the same century and in subsequent centuries by further restrictions on Sunday activities. (15th edition, vol. 11, pg. 392) ENCYCLOPEDIA AMERICANA: From the apostolic era to the present it has been customary for Christians to assemble for communal Sunday services... Civil laws requiring the observance of Sunday date back at least to Emperor Constantine the Great, who designated Sunday as a legal day of rest and worship in 321. This law, however was not specifically Christian, since Sunday was the day of the sun-god for pagans as well as the Lord's day for Christians. While Constantine thus managed to please the two major religious groups in the Roman empire, numerous later law regulating behavior on Sunday have been avowedly Christian. (Sunday, 1988, pg. 21) HISTORY OF THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH: The celebration of the Lord's Day in memory of the resurrection of Christ dates undoubtedly from the apostolic age. Nothing short of apostolic precedent can account for the universal religious observance in the churches of the second century. There is no dissenting voice. This custom is confirmed by the testimonies of the earliest post-apostolic writers, as Barnabas, Ignatius, and Justin Martyr. (Philip Schaff, , vol. 1, pg. 201-202) HISTORY OF THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH: Hence, the first day was already in the apostolic age honorably designated as "the Lord's Day." ...it appears, therefore, from the New Testament itself, that Sunday was observed as a day of worship, and in special commemoration of the Resurrection, whereby the work of redemption was finished. The universal and uncontradicted Sunday observance in the second century can only be explained by the fact that it has its roots in apostolic practice. (Philip Schaff, , vol. 1, pg. 478-479) NEW SCHAFF HERZOG ENCYCLOPEDIA: The earliest traces of the observance of the first day of the week in remembrance of Christ's resurrection is found in the Pauline period of the Apostolic Age... Sunday was first regulated by civil authority in 321, under Constantine, directing that the day be hallowed and observed appropriately. (Sunday, pg. 145 |
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60 | When did the day of worship change? | Acts | userdoe220 | 18831 | ||
The pattern did begin in the Book of Acts. Acts 20:7 7 Now on the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul, ready to depart the next day, spoke to them and continued his message until midnight. It appears that Paul had some formal meeting in mind when asking for this offering to be collected. 1 Cor 16:1-3 16:1 Now about the collection for God's people: Do what I told the Galatian churches to do. 2 On the first day of every week, each one of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with his income, saving it up, so that when I come no collections will have to be made. |
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