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41 | making wine.Did Jesus make a mistake. | Bible general Archive 1 | retxar | 68713 | ||
Are we kings and priest? | ||||||
42 | Do you own a TNIV? | 2 Sam 21:19 | retxar | 68663 | ||
Are you posting in tongues now bro? :-) Tell me what you know about the NIrV. Is this the same as the TNIV or is the TNIV an update or replacement for the NIrV? I had a NIrV about a year ago that I gave away, and when the TNIV came out, I thought it was probally just an update of the NIrV, as they both seem to be for the same market and see no need in both. I know it is also a resent translation, and from what I remember, it seemed to be along the same lines as the TNIV is spoken of. thanks, retxar |
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43 | making wine.Did Jesus make a mistake. | Bible general Archive 1 | retxar | 68659 | ||
Thanks Hank, The morrier you post, the funnier you get! retxar |
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44 | making wine.Did Jesus make a mistake. | Bible general Archive 1 | retxar | 68657 | ||
John, Thanks for answering my question bro. I guess I was looking for a verse that spoke of the actual consumption of alcohol being a good thing, rather than what the wine was used as to represent as being a good thing tho. Wine, after all, represents the blood of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, so of coarse that is a good thing! I was not clear on what I meant, so thank you for the verses you provided. Let me comment on the Luke reference you gave: You said: “Evidently Jesus did not condemn wine, for He said: Luke 5:39 "And no one, after drinking old wine wishes for new; for he says, 'The old is good enough.” This has nothing to do with whether Jesus approved of did not approve of the consumption of alcoholic wine. Just because He used it in His illustration does not say anything in anyway concerning the matter. He used the illustration of old wine/new wine to drive home the point of the parables He was teaching. The message He was preaching was that a new work in the Spirit (new wine) would not work in the hearts of those who were hung up on the traditions of men (old wine shins). The old wine represented the traditions they were hung up on. The new wine represented the new work that Jesus wanted to do in their life. Jesus said “The old is good enough” to tell us that some will chose the traditions of men over the new work of the Spirit that God wants to do in their heart, because they automatically assume (falsely) that the old has to be better. The church even has a song they sing that confirms what Jesus was talking about. It’s called, “Give me that old time religion, it’s good enough for me!” So, unless you have a better take on this passage than me, it has nothing to do with Jesus’s opinion of the evils/virtues of alcohol, only the hearts of men. I guess the only other question I had to ask was the question Tim has already asked you concerning the biblical definition of “not much” wine. How could anyone possible know where that line is unless they had crossed it at least once? I will review you response to Tim more thoroughly, but a, “well he just knows”, does not seem quite right to me. This seems like it might work for an experienced person who has consumed “not much” wine for a while, but I don’t see how this is going to work with those who want to drink and are just starting out. Seems to me he would have to do quite a bit of drinking before he got the hang of it. And to avoid sin he would have to work his way up to that line, instead of working his way back, as is usually the case. As I said, I will study your response further. Anyway, John, thanks for bringing Rom14 into this discussion. Where I live, there is no way around the fact that alcohol consumption by a Christian will offend both believer and non-believer alike, so Rom14 has to be a consideration to anyone, regardless which side of the issue one takes. As I have already said, I will not be dogmatic about this, and will not judge you or anyone else concerning this. I have spoken here as I would plead to those in my own family concerning the issue of alcohol consumption, so forgive me if I have seemed judgmental in anyway. This issue, as you said, is indeed one of individual choice, I just see no good that can come out of consuming alcohol, and see much harm that can, and does, result from it. The issue of our obligation as kings and priest by Jesus is something I would like you to consider, as this has not been addressed by you or anyone else.. “Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another.” (Rom 14:19) retxar |
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45 | making wine.Did Jesus make a mistake. | Bible general Archive 1 | retxar | 68645 | ||
Thanks my friend, Thanks you for your insight and knowledge you bring into this discussion. retxar |
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46 | making wine.Did Jesus make a mistake. | Bible general Archive 1 | retxar | 68641 | ||
Thanks bro! | ||||||
47 | making wine.Did Jesus make a mistake. | Bible general Archive 1 | retxar | 68571 | ||
I object to alcohol consumption personally, and also to anyone that cares to ask, on the grounds that it is forbidden in scripture for kings, priest, and prophets (Pro 31:4, Lev 10:9, Isa 28:7, Eze 44:21), and thus NT believers (Rev 1:6, Rev 5:10, Rev 20:6, Isa 61:6, 1Pe 2:5). Why would I want to risk being disqualified for that? Why would I want to put a flammable liquid in my body, which outside an alcoholic beverage container has the word “poison” written on it, a skull and cross bones, the 1-800 poison control hotline number, and the urgent instructions to call 911 and get to the nearest hospital emergency room pronto in case of ingestion? How much sense does that make? Did God really design the human body to endure such abuse? If I assume (falsely) that all references in scripture to “wine” are referring to the fermented fruit of the vine that contains alcohol, as you have, I can clearly see the point you are trying to make. However, when I do that, I have conflicting scripture to sort out that I do not know how to handle. How do you deal with that? do not be drunk with wine but be filled with the Spirit! retxar |
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48 | Does God endorse polygamy? | 1 Kin 11:3 | retxar | 68552 | ||
I stand on my previous statement that Saul's only wife that scripture reveals is Ahinoam. Show me the other 4 you know about and I will concede this point. Also, show me any scripture that David took Saul's only wife (Ahinoam) as his own, or any of the other 4 that you know about, and I will concede that point as well. In the mean time we anxiously await your long overdue response to Joe. retxar |
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49 | making wine.Did Jesus make a mistake. | Bible general Archive 1 | retxar | 68516 | ||
There are plenty of things in the bible that can be referred to as "wine" without meaning intoxicatiing alcohol. Does any verse in the bible say wine that contains intoxicationg alcohol is good for anything other than medicinal purposes? retxar |
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50 | Does God endorse polygamy? | 1 Kin 11:3 | retxar | 68515 | ||
You scrambling to try to keep up with this post is kinda like trying to keep up with more than one wife isn't it? | ||||||
51 | making wine.Did Jesus make a mistake. | Bible general Archive 1 | retxar | 68489 | ||
I quess my thinking is why would Jesus create something with rot and decay for the purpose of it containing a poison to alter the thinking of those who cosume it? Could Jesus not create it without the rot and decay and thus without the poison? Not given to much wine? The only place I can find wine spoken of in positive light in scripture is for medicinal purposes, which would certainly mean "not much", if one thinks that “not at all” is wrong. What about that husband of one wife thing? Using the same line of reasoning, must we also conclude this means others can have more than one wife, as others on the forum are trying to convince us of? I will not be dogmatic about this issue, and believe me, I have fought the demon of legalistic bondage many times, so I am not trying to make up some rules that will make someone “more spiritual”. However, one thing I cannot ignore about this issue is the fact that alcohol was always forbidden for kings, priest, and prophets. Jesus was all three, and we as believers have been made kings and priests to the Father by Jesus (Rev 1:6), so that would also apply to us. In light of the fact that alcohol brings so much pain and destruction upon people, I would think it at least unwise for any Christian to consume. I have no desire to drink alcohol, so maybe that is why I see this issue as I do. But if I had that desire (to consume alcohol) the issues I have brought up would be major hurdles for me to clear in order to put alcohol consumption in the category of things that God is pleased for Christians to participate in. Patiently waiting for that grateful apology! (just kidding bro) retxar |
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52 | Does God endorse polygamy? | 1 Kin 11:3 | retxar | 68465 | ||
I wish I had said that! Excellent post Joe! retxar |
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53 | making wine.Did Jesus make a mistake. | Bible general Archive 1 | retxar | 68464 | ||
Actually Jesus did make grape juice, as wine is fermented over time by the process of decay, which cannot be present in new wine. | ||||||
54 | Does God endorse polygamy? | 1 Kin 11:3 | retxar | 68462 | ||
Your statements of Abraham, David, and Solomon’s multi-wive woes speaks of some of the problems that I was talking about. In your previous post you stated that 2Sam 12:8 says that God gave David 5 of his 18 wives? How did you come up with this? This scripture is speaking of Saul’s wives; or actually WIFE, since he only had one (Ahinoam, 1Sam 14:50), of whom David never took as a wife. This is speaking of a King’s privilege according to social custom, not a Godly precedent. When a king died, social custom allowed his successor the liberty to take the previous king’s wives. Also, in context, Nathan was speaking of all David had, and was speaking out against David’s great sin of adultery, murder, and greed. Mat 19:5 ....shall cleave to his wife.... Jesus said for a man to cleave to one wife, not several. This is a command not an option. Many NT scriptures (1Co 7, Eph 5, etc, etc, etc) deal with commands and instructions of how a husband is to treat his wive. The scriptures even tells us that marriage is a good thing which satisfies desires and prevents sexual immorality from occurring outside of marriage. Scripture does not tell a man that seeking another wife is an option to satisfy desires of those who may find another attractive. Scripture does not tell a man that seeking another wife is an option to satisfy desires of those who’s wife may be unable to meet his needs. Many NT scriptures deal with the proper relationship between a man and his WIFE. Not once is a man told how to deal with the mountain of problems that would occur with multi-wive families. How come? For the same reason scripture does not tell us how to have safe sex or tell us how to smoke cigarettes and not get sick. Scripture does not deal with these issues because God only makes provisions for what He designs. retxar |
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55 | Does God endorse polygamy? | 1 Kin 11:3 | retxar | 68385 | ||
God's designed the family to work under the principles He established way back in Gen 2. Jesus confirmed this principle as being correct in Mat 19:4-8. The family was to consist of one husband/father and one wife/mother from the beginning. Consequences of going with our plan instead of God's plan in any thing always results in problems that could have been avoided. Abraham, David, Solomon, and other great men of God did not avoid the ploblems that arose by ignoring God's principles, we invite the same when we ignore God's guidelines. God can, has, and does, work thru all situations, but if we work against God's principles, we better know it is not for the better, but for the worst. retxar |
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56 | Rev 22:15....Knocking on Heaven's door? | Rev 22:15 | retxar | 68356 | ||
Is the eternal state of the wicked really going to be just outside of the walls of the Heavenly city constantly trying to get in? retxar |
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57 | Do you own a TNIV? | 2 Sam 21:19 | retxar | 68258 | ||
I too like the NLT, and would also recommend. I purchased The Open Bible in the NLT translation for my daughter. Just so Justme in not thrown for a loop tho, let me say that it is also gender inclusive, as the TNIV. retxar |
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58 | Does God help those that help themselves | Bible general Archive 1 | retxar | 68232 | ||
James 2b-3 Yet you do not have because you do not ask. You ask and do not receive, because you ask amiss, that you may spend it on your pleasures. My study of the bible tells me that God helps those that allow Him to help them. What have you read that supports the statement "God helps those that help themselves"? retxar |
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59 | Why is marijuana use prohibited? | Heb 13:17 | retxar | 68172 | ||
So, how long you been smoking that stuff anyway? retxar “They promise freedom, but they themselves are slaves to sin and corruption. For you are a slave to whatever controls you.” (2Pe 2:19) |
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60 | Is God's will prosperity/healing always? | Rom 8:28 | retxar | 68041 | ||
Edb, I’m tip-toeing in here bro, so please believe me that I don’t mean to stir things up, just clarify. I know you are quick to blow the whistle on anything that reassembles WOF, but must an interpretation of Isa 53 that sees it speaking of both spiritual and physical healing, (based on Matthew's commentary) make someone an automatic supporter of all WOF teaching? I know a person does not have to support all the teaching of a particular church to go there, but this is from the AOG’s (which we both attend) official Statement of Fundamental Truths (#12) concerning divine healing: ‘Divine healing is an integral part of the gospel. Deliverance from sickness is provided for in the atonement, and is the privilege of all believers. Isa 53:4-5, Mat 8:16-17, Jam 5:14-16.’ (Notice the Isaiah reference) The AOG also has a positional paper concerning some of the abuses going on in the positive confession movement. It says (in part): ‘When the positive confession teaching indicates that to admit weakness is to accept defeat, to admit financial need is to accept poverty, and to admit sickness is to preclude healing, it is going beyond and is contrary to the harmony of Scripture.’ I agree with both these statements. Please look them up to see if I have presented anything out of context. So, I guess what I am trying to say, is that it is possible, and I think scriptural, for a believer to take the stand that divine healing was provided for in the atonement (but certainly not the focus), without being one of them thar evil WOF boys. I appreciate your contributions on the forum and for listening to me bro! retxar |
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