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41 | Do you have scriptures to affirm? | 2 Thess 2:3 | mark d seyler | 187874 | ||
So then is that a yes, Jesus rose as the firstfruits of the first resurrection? Love in Christ, Mark |
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42 | Do you have scriptures to affirm? | 2 Thess 2:3 | mark d seyler | 187873 | ||
Rev 5:9 And they sing a new song, saying, Worthy art thou to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou was slain, and didst purchase unto God with thy blood men of every tribe, and tongue, and people, and nation, Rev 5:10 and madest them to be unto our God a kingdom and priests; and they reign upon earth. Who do you suppose this is referring to? Dan 7:27 And the kingdom and the dominion, and the greatness of the kingdoms under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the Most High: his kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him. This is another interesting verse in connection with this topic. then there is: 1Pe 2:9 But ye are an elect race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God's own possession, that ye may show forth the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: Just some thoughts, you needn't answer. Love in Christ, Mark |
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43 | Can you lose your salvation? | Eph 1:13 | mark d seyler | 187867 | ||
Hi WOS, Actually, it was Ps25 who introduced the timing issue as part of their "proof". While I agree that we cannot loose salvation, that the born-again don't die-again, I find Ps25's argument faulty and as a result unconvincing. I think that Lookn correctly identified the error, and that we all do well to understand that even though we may have the right answer, we need to be able to correctly support it. Personally, I think Lookn has correctly identified numerous examples of faulty interpretation and unsupported arguments, while not becoming argumentative. I personally commend lookin's tenacity in addressing the issues that have arisen in this thread. But I'm none to certain of the advisability of initiating the debate you seem to have in mind. However, I would be willing to discuss such with you if you so desired. Love in Christ, Mark |
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44 | Can you lose your salvation? | Eph 1:13 | mark d seyler | 187862 | ||
Hi Lookin, Just for what its worth, I can think of at least a few citations from the early church writers that actually do plainly state their belief that God insists that those who are saved be willing to receive salvation. For what its worth. I like one thing I heard about this. They had the same Bible that we do. Love in Christ, Mark PS - I commend you on your logical and ordered responses in this thread. |
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45 | Why do we teach otherwise? | 2 Thess 2:3 | mark d seyler | 187850 | ||
Revelation 11:15-19 (15) And the seventh angel trumpeted. And there were great voices in Heaven, saying, The kingdoms of the world became our Lord's, even of His Christ; and He shall reign to the ages of the ages. (16) And the twenty four elders sitting before God on their thrones fell on their faces and worshiped God, (17) saying, We thank You, Lord God Almighty, the One who is, and who was, and who is coming, because You took Your great power and reigned. (18) And the nations were full of wrath; and Your wrath came, and the time of the judging of the dead, and to give the reward to Your slaves, to the prophets, and to the saints, and to the ones fearing Your name, to the small and to the great, and to destroy those destroying the earth. (19) And the temple of God in Heaven was opened, and the ark of His covenant was seen in His temple, and lightnings, and voices, and thunders, and an earthquake, and a great hail occurred. As this is the passage concerning the sounding of the seventh trumpet, I don't see here either the rapture of the church, or the coming of Jesus in the clouds, to the earth. ? Love in Christ, Mark |
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46 | Do you have scriptures to affirm? | 2 Thess 2:3 | mark d seyler | 187849 | ||
Hi Searcher, I've never heard this view before. There are a couple of things that occur to me about this. One is that while Rev. 20:4 says that these particular people will live and reign with Christ for the 1000 years, it doesn't say that none others will. If other Scriptures establish that others will be with Christ as well, that would still hold true. But this verse doesn't prevent that. Also, the second resurrection is hardly a resurrection. These, even after they live, are called "the dead". Personally, I believe that: The Bible is knowable. The Bible teaches a particular thing. Once we understand correctly, we see harmony. If there is rapture before the tribulation, we'll be exactly where the Bible says we'll be - with Jesus. Love in Christ, Mark |
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47 | Do you have scriptures to affirm? | 2 Thess 2:3 | mark d seyler | 187846 | ||
Hi Searcher, I think we need to back up a step. Let me ask you, do you think that Jesus is a part of the first resurrection, as it's firstfruits? Love in Christ, Mark |
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48 | Do you have scriptures to affirm? | 2 Thess 2:3 | mark d seyler | 187844 | ||
Hi M.Royal, Where do you find in Scripture that God's wrath is a "result" of the "reign of antichrist"? I don't see that. Love in Christ, Mark |
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49 | Do you have scriptures to affirm? | 2 Thess 2:3 | mark d seyler | 187843 | ||
Hi cheri, I tend to agree with you on this. Love in Christ, Mark |
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50 | Do you have scriptures to affirm? | 2 Thess 2:3 | mark d seyler | 187787 | ||
Ooooops! I just realized I didn't answer one of your questions, when do these resurrections happen? Rev 20:4 follows the casting of Satan into the abyss, which follows the the casting of the beast and the false prophet into the lake of fire, which follows Jesus' revealing in power and glory. It precedes the 1000 year reign of Jesus upon the earth, so I would answer that this resurrection is of those who are killed between the rapture of the church and the end of the age, and that it occurs at the end of this age, the beginning of the millenium. Rev 20:11 follows Satan being cast into the lake of fire, which is "after the 1000 years are finished". It precedes the New Heaven and New Earth, so I would answer that it occurs after the millenium, before the new creation, and the eternal state. Perhaps this then will be more complete! Love in Christ, Mark |
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51 | Do you have scriptures to affirm? | 2 Thess 2:3 | mark d seyler | 187786 | ||
Hi Searcher, How many raptures are there, in your view? For me, the rapture is a singular event as those who are "in Christ" at a certain moment in history are caught up into the sky to be with Jesus. Those who had died are resurrected, and those still alive are joined to them, to meet the LORD in the air. As far as Revelation 20: Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given to them, and the souls of those who have been beheaded because of the testimony of Jesus, and because of the word of God, and who did not bow before the beast, nor his image, and did not receive the mark upon their forehead and upon their hand, and they did live and reign with Christ the thousand years; Is this the verse you have in mind? I don't see a "catching up" in this verse, so I don't figure this to be the rapture. These are clearly ones who were beheaded during the reign of the beast, and so they would not include all of the believers throughout the age. This does not describe a translation of the living either. Seems to be different to me. Then there are the others "resurrected" if you will, in Rev. 20: Rev 20:5 and the rest of the dead did not live again till the thousand years may be finished; Even though these "live again", they are still the dead: Rev 20:12 and I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, This is not the rapture, either. These are not the redeemed. Does this help to clarify? Love in Christ, Mark |
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52 | Are Rapture and Apostasy the same thing? | 2 Thess 2:3 | mark d seyler | 187778 | ||
Hi Vincent, Its not a majority view. I suspect a great many people are simply unaware of this information. Several early English translations used "the departure", but that was discarded in favor of "apostasy", falling away, rebellion, and such. There are numerous people who don't teach the rapture at all. There are a great many who do not believe that the 70th week is yet to be fulfilled, that there will be a literal 1000 years while Christ rules the world from Jerusalem, prior to the New Heaven and Earth. So my guess is that people don't generally teach this either because they are unaware of this knowledge, or they do not believe it should be interpreted this way and they don't want to confuse with other alternatives. Just my thoughts. . . Love in Christ, Mark |
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53 | Do you have scriptures to affirm? | 2 Thess 2:3 | mark d seyler | 187775 | ||
Hi cheri, Like others have pointed out, Jesus' first advent began with a baby in a stable, and continued for 33 years. He did not publically announce Himself, with all the accompanying signs, till near the very end, as He was about to comsumate His work of redemption. I would not be surprised to see the same thing at the second advent, as His work builds and builds, then He reveals Himself as He is about to consumate His judgment and close of this age. God bless! Love in Christ, Mark |
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54 | Do you have scriptures to affirm? | 2 Thess 2:3 | mark d seyler | 187767 | ||
Hi cheri, I'd like to respond to these questions, if I may. Before I do, I want to clarify that my understanding is that Jesus will catch away the church at the beginning of the 70th Week. 1 - After Rev. 3 the Church is no longer seen as being on earth. If the church is still waiting to be caught away, where are we? Since the Church is not specifically stated as being either in heaven, or on earth, I think we have to look elsewhere for this answer. This would be an argument from silence. However, I find it most interesting that as the 144,000 Jews are being sealed, they are "the" servants of God. If the church is still on the earth at that time, they would be servants of God also, so these 144,000 wouldn't comprise the entire group. Following their sealing, an innumerable multitude appears in heaven. That would sure answer the question of where the rest of the servants of God went. However, this is not explicit. 2 - REv. 19:9 (this is before the 2nd Advent) If the church is still on earth, then who are those present at the marriage supper of the Lamb? This is a very strong argument in favor of rapture before heaven opens, and Jesus begins His return to the earth. In this passage, the wedding is an accomplished fact - its already happened. This places the church in heaven with Jesus clearly before Jesus is on His way back to earth. The church CANNOT be those who are gathered to Jesus after He leaves heaven for His bodily return to earth. 3 - Rev. 19:14, if the church is still on earth waiting to be caught away, then who makes up the armies of the Lord that return to earth with Him to set up the millennial kingdom? This could be angels, or could be the redeemed. The passage isn't explicit. The logic question. A post-trib rapture can make sense in that Jesus, having protected the church during the partial judging of the earth up til then, removes the church before unleasing total devastation upon the world, as the bowls are poured out, and the armies of the world destroyed. I don't think this is a correct view, but this is the logic as I understand it. I wanted to respond to these because I think that there are a number of "proofs" of pre-trib rapture aren't actually very solid, but on the other hand, there are, in my opinion, a number of extremely solid evidences in favor of pre-trib rapture. One thing to consider is that the gathering of Matthew 24:31 CANNOT be the rapture of the Church, because it does not include all believers. The remainder of the believers not gathered in Matt 24:31 will be a part of the gathering of nations in Matt 25, specifically those who are separated out as the sheep. Likewise, that gathering CANNOT be the rapture of the Church, because both saved and unsaved are gathered together, then separated. The Rapture (catching away - not gathering) will be all those who are in Christ, and none who are not. Therefore, it cannot be the gathering of the elect in Matt 24:31, nor the gathering of the nations in ch. 25. It MUST come before those, since those close the age, and as we've already seen, the wedding of the Lamb will have already happened. Love in Christ, Mark |
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55 | Do you have scriptures to affirm? | 2 Thess 2:3 | mark d seyler | 187764 | ||
Hi M. Royal, Would you agree that rapture comes before the revealing of God's wrath upon the earth? Love in Christ, Mark |
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56 | I have a problem with Mat 27:53 | Matt 27:53 | mark d seyler | 187712 | ||
Hi Edwin, Your first point is why I tend to thing that these who rose died again. Jesus was the firstfruits, but not the first to be raised from the dead. He was the first to rise to eternal life, to my understanding. Paul nowhere teaches soulsleep. Paul clearly shows his expectation that he would immediately be with Jesus upon his death, tho he may need to wait for physical resurrection. My difficulty with your view is that these people came out of their tombs, and went into the city. Unless you are thinking that they were carried in, or washed in by a flood, or something like that, they need to be alive. And since the plain reading makes great sense if you simply look at it with the simplest understanding, at least to me, that's what I think I'll stick with. Sure is interesting stuff! Love in Christ, Mark |
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57 | I have a problem with Mat 27:53 | Matt 27:53 | mark d seyler | 187707 | ||
And where does it say that they didn't have life? Who entered in? Those that were raised. Not those who saw them, but the very ones themselves. Love in Christ, Mark |
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58 | I have a problem with Mat 27:53 | Matt 27:53 | mark d seyler | 187701 | ||
So then you are thinking that these were dead bodies that were tossed out of their tombs, and were brought into Jerusalem to be shown around town to people? These bodies would been unclean, and no Jew would want to have anything to do with them, except to quickly re-bury them. I don't really find this credible that they would tote them into town to be seen by many. Deathlike sleep? I don't think Paul actually said that. I guess I don't find this very convincing. Love in Christ, Mark |
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59 | I have a problem with Mat 27:53 | Matt 27:53 | mark d seyler | 187694 | ||
Hi Edwin, Interesting thoughts! I checked the word forms for "his resurrection", and the words are singular, so I am still leaning towards this being after Jesus' resurrection. I agree with you that capitalization is not definitive, but if this were saying that they came out after their own resurrections, I would expect to find plural forms, even as I had to use in here. Love in Christ, Mark |
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60 | What qualifies a cultist? | Is 43:7 | mark d seyler | 187651 | ||
Personally, I sure miss Walter Martin! And that's all I'm gonna say! Love in Christ, Mark |
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