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41 | Where does it say two were in the field | Matt 24:40 | Emmy | 117807 | ||
Hi: It does not take many to gather for Christ to show up too. We have a study group of about 12. This seems really good for getting together and seriously studying scriptures. A group this size leaves everyone a chance to contribute to the discussions. Even two is enough for a group. CHrist will join two or three as well as more. Numbers are not that important, but rather what is in the hearts of those present. Wish more would comment on content of what we post. My experience so far is mostly put down for being suspect of being JW which we are not and which we do not agree with. The comments are mostly left there, rather than posting a good logical presentation to the points made. Scripture for the above comments on numbers in a group. Matt 18:20 "For where two or three have gathered together in My name, there I am in their midst." This says to us it does not matter how small the groups are, but that they keep in touch to encourage one another. The passage says merely to keep in touch with like minded people, not necessarily to join a larger group Sincerely Henry and Emmy |
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42 | how can this website help in my reading. | Gen 1:1 | Emmy | 117480 | ||
This website has many differing opinions expressed. You are dependent on the Holy Spirit to teach you. You are dependent on Holy Spirit to be able to know which postings are right and which are wrong. Read scriptures carefully and believe what is simply written there. The scripures are spiritual and are understood through guidance by the Holy Spirit. 1 John 2:27 And as for you, the anointing which you received from Him abides in you, and you have no need for anyone to teach you; but as His anointing teaches you about all things, and is true and is not a lie, Sincerely Henry and Emmy |
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43 | Growing in Grace and Knowledge | 2 Pet 3:18 | Emmy | 117426 | ||
We can choose to love Him or not. Sincerely Henry and Emmy |
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44 | Is Moses in Heaven or Hell | Bible general Archive 2 | Emmy | 117420 | ||
I have answered that question in quite some detail for another person. You should be able to find it. Challenge for you. Tell me what Jesus taught that contradicts that the dead know nothing or that hell is not the place of the dead, seeing that He went there Himself when He died. He was the only one who did NOT REMAIN THERE, but was resurrected from it. Acts 2:27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. Kind David said this concerning Christ. Christ would be in Hell, but He would not be left there. As it turns out He came out from it after three days. No other one has been resurrected from it, ssing that the resurrection hs not occured yet. Eccl 9:5 clearly says the dead know nothing. Did Jesus teach that they do know something? If so please point this out. Is hell anything other than the place for the dead? I am aware that some fallen angels were put there too. But as far as mankind is concerned, the dead are aware of nothing. Verses saying that there is weeping and gnashing of teeth, imply someone is not dead or no longer dead, ie resurrected. Any verses I can find on gnashing of teeth, always refer to people who are alive at the time, or have been resurrected, inwhich case they are alive again, or brought back to life. I can see no instance of where someone dead weeps and wails and gnashes his teeth. I have never known a dead person to do this. Neither do I read in scriptures anywhere that they do. The parable of Lazarus and the rich man, is exactly that, a parable Send me a verse where the dead are aware of something, other than Samuel who was somehow called up from the dead, a thing with which we should not meddle. Sincerely Henry and Emmy. |
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45 | Is Moses in Heaven or Hell | Bible general Archive 2 | Emmy | 117417 | ||
I did only quote one verse Ecc9:5 BUT do not interpret it in isolation. If you were to carefully read any verse about weeping and gnashnig of teeth, you will find it occurs at the judgement when the dead are taken out of hell and are judged. There is no weeping or gnashing of teeth till then, because up to the time of the resurrection, they are dead, and know nothing as it says in Eccl. This interpretation allows for both the dead knowing nothing AND the weeping and gnashing of teeth at the time indicated. Hell and death and those not redeemed at the final judgement are thrown into the lake of fire. 2nd death. There is the wailing and gnashing of teeth as they are judged. The Eccl verse I mentioned should not be read in isolation is true, nor should any verse,but non the less the correct interpretation of scripture must allow for it to be a true saying. To say that Eccl 9:5 contradicts Christ is not possible. The saying that the dead know nothing must be true at some point, or this passage is false. Here is a challenge for you. Find all passages about weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth, and try to establish WHEN it happens. I think you will find without exception that it occurs at judgement, which has not yet occured. In the meantme the Eccl 9:5 verse holds true, the dead know nothing. When they are resurrected from the dead, then they know something, in fact they know a lot at judgement, and the sinners at that time will weep and wail and gnash their teeth. Contradict me if you can. Find a verse that mentions weeping and wialing and gnashing of teeth that occurs when people are dead. Or find a verse about the weeping and gnashing of teeth occuring other than at judgement. Also if you would explain what Eccl 9:5 means when it says the dead know nothing, if in fact the dead do know something. Both are not possible. Either the dead know something or the dead know nothing. There is no ground to argue in the middle of these two choices. If it said some dead know something and some know nothing that would be different, but tihs is not the case. It says only the dead know nothing Sincerely Henry and Emmy |
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46 | Is Moses in Heaven or Hell | Bible general Archive 2 | Emmy | 117380 | ||
Not watch tower stuff. I do not agree with what JW' teach about scriptures. They may not have everything wrong, but anything I looked into is not recognizable when I read scriptures. I have posted a longer explanation if you are interested Sincerely Henry and Emmy |
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47 | Is Moses in Heaven or Hell | Bible general Archive 2 | Emmy | 117379 | ||
I have no idea what JW think about hell. This view of hell comes straight out of scriptures, from any translation. Putting these three verses together suggests it is the correct way of looking at it. Eccl 9:10 Whatever your hand finds to do, verily, do it with all your might; for there is no activity or planning or knowledge or wisdom in Sheol where you are going. NASB Eccl 9: 10 Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest. KJV There is no knowledge or activity for us while we are in the grave,(sheol/hell) Where one translation uses sheol another uses grave, and still another hell in exactly the same context. Job wished he were there to stop his suffering. Daniel, though beloved of God was told he would die and not be resurrected to life till the end. If they are still dead as is King David, they are still in Sheol the place of the dead. Being in Sheol is same as being in the grave if these translations are correct for the passages above. Other translations equate sheol and hell (same place but named differently in different languages. Job 11:8 It is higher than heaven--what can you do? Deeper than Sheol--what can you know? "DEEPER THAN SHEOL" NRSV Job 11:8 It is as high as heaven; what canst thou do? deeper than hell; what canst thou know? "DEEPER THAN HELL" KJV Hell has been so misrepresented in societies over the ages as often depicted in art and story as well as jest, that the truth about hell is all but hidden. Acts 2:27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. David said this conserning Christ. You will not leave my soul in hell implies a resurrection from it. Perhaps one should not dismiss out of hand what others say but look carefully at it, even if it seems to agrees with a statement JW's make. Maybe they don't have EVERYTHING wrong? We see that hell, hades, pit and grave are all the same basic thing, namely the place of the dead. Since the dead know nothing as stated by Solomon in Eccl, and several translations say the dead go to the above places, then without knowing JW's exist the conclusion is still the same. We are dead and know nothing till the resurrection from the dead after Christ comes back, or at the great white throne judgement. Rev 20 describes the first resurrection, and some of those in it. Then it says the rest of the dead did not come back to LIFE till the 1000 years were over. Sincerely Henry and Emmy |
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48 | Is Moses in Heaven or Hell | Bible general Archive 2 | Emmy | 117367 | ||
Hell is the place of the dead. Angels were also sent there. It is not a place of torment for men who die. "The living know they will die, but the dead know nothing" We remain in Hell till the resurrection when we are brought back to life. Hell is not to be feared. Since the dead know nothing, they are not aware of the passage of time or even that they are in hell. Dying in Jan 2,1004 and being resurrected in Dec 3,2205 IF that were the date of the resurrection would, to one not aware of time, seem like a micro second of time. It would be like falling sound asleep for an hour and then waking up. One who is sound asleep is not aware of time or where he is. There is no fire in Hell, neither is Satan there at present. He is active in heaven and on earth to the present day. Hell itself is destroyed after the second resurrection from the dead which occurs after the 1000 year reign of Christ on earth. When hell is destroyed in this way, there is no more aplace for the dead, because death also is destroyed at that time, so there is no need for a place to hold the dead. Sincerely Henry and Emmy Eccl 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. Since no one except Christ has been raised from the dead, Moses being dead is still in hell(the place of the dead) |
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49 | CAN I LOSE MY SALVATION? | Heb 2:3 | Emmy | 117361 | ||
Hi: Congratulations on looking at this the way one should. Letting the scriptures speak and influence, rather than scolars and other ideas on the subject. You are likely to be much more vigilant if you have this point right. Sincerely Henry and Emmy |
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50 | Where does it say two were in the field | Matt 24:40 | Emmy | 117350 | ||
We are a small bible study group with no official connection at present to any official religious organization. Henry and Emmy |
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51 | Where does it say two were in the field | Matt 24:40 | Emmy | 117318 | ||
Hi: No need to make me aware as to whether or not I am Jehovah Wintess. I am not. Interesting that that is the point on which you make comment. In this case the New World Translation says exactly the same as does any other, namely that the elect are gathered, and the rest not being elect are not gathered by this angel. The point made was that this gathering is after the tribulation, and before Armageddon, and is therefore not in the right sequence of events to be the rapture, as many believe. The ones being gathered in the first reaping (gathering) are The Elect. The ones left are those who are not the elect, but many of these are reaped (gathered) by the second angel who reaps grapes to be trampled in the wine press of God's wrath (Armageddon) We have no affiliation with any religious organization. One reason for this is that different organizations teach different things, and so we are left to our own devices as to find out which one is actually teaches truth. In addition some organizations have some things right, but other ideas incorrect. By the time one figures that out, one need no longer ask any one what is true. We depend on the scriptures and Holy Spirit who opens an understanding for them. " The annointing you have received teaches you all things and you have no need of a teacher" is a quote that should be taken to heart or believed, and give any true believer confidence to test everything that all others say to see if it is true or false. One cannot depend on others to interpret things for them, but depend on Holy Spirit, Christ and Father alone. These three are in perfect agreement. Sincerely Henry and Emmy |
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52 | Where does it say two were in the field | Matt 24:40 | Emmy | 117223 | ||
This is an interesting thought. Matt 24:40 is not about the rapture at all. This event takes place after the tribulations of Revelation. This event is the gathering of God's elect after the tribulations and return of Christ. This is evident when one starts reading at Matt 24:29 which start out saying "Immediately after the tribulations of those days.....". This is a gathering of among all remaining alive on the earth at the time of Christ's return the ones that have remained faithful to Christ up to the time He arrives. Angels do this gathering on a command to do so. Matt 24: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. The above is the same event as in Rev chapter 14. Sequence of events in this chapter. 14:1 Christ on Zion with 144000 who were sealed 14:6 An angel preaches the gospel to all on earth 14:8 An angel announces Babylon was destroyed. 14:9 An angels warns about the mark of the beast 14:15-16 An angel is told to reap the elect of God. This gathering is after Christ's return, but before the second gathering which is the gathering to Armageddon of those who will fight Christ there. To answer the question about who is left: The gathering of the elect by the first angel of God's elect, means the ones that are left are not gathered by this angel. The ones that are left are abandoned by this angel who does the gathering. This is in agreement with the New World Translation of Matt 24:40 which states Matt 24:40 Then two men will be in the field:one will be taken, and the other be abandoned.\ This gathering is not in the right place in the sequence of event to be talking about the "rapture" |
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53 | How Do You Stay on Track? | Ps 23:3 | Emmy | 116993 | ||
Dear Henry (Hank) By coincidence I am also Henry (Hank) I tried to have screen name Hank, but it was already taken. Now I know by whom. There is no fear in my not being both gentle and honest in things I post at any time to anyone. It is not always easy to get the tone of a comment in the written word. IF ever you think the tone from me is anything but kind, let me assure you that that would not be the case. As you know I believe once saved is not a guarantee. I know works must go with faith or I have nothing. It is not in my interest or anyone else for me to be impatient or offensive in my dealings with others. If a discussion leads to discord, best not to have the discussion in the first place. Here is a short history on where we come from regarding scriptures. We are simple folk, who noted that Jesus was more acceptable to people who in this system have little power. He was opposed by the very ones who from their studies should have known better, namely those who studied the scriptures. Also opposing him were the powerful who had their interests to protect. We also read that one cannot understand God if we do not have His Spirit. In addition the scriptures are spiritual and must be spiritually discerned. An unbeliever thinks of the truth about God as foolishness. The Spirit is our teacher and we have no need of another person to teach us. Everything we hear no matter who says it must be considered carefully to see if it is true or not. The ability for us to do this comes from havingthe Spirit. We depend on it to inform us and verify or reject what we hear. Credentials of learned people cannot be trusted at face value. There are two reasons for this. There is wide disagreement among the "experts" and weare to put our trust in only ONE. We believe the bible is simply written. There are parables and likenesses, but unless it is otherwise stated, or clearly the case, we ought to read with it in mind, that what it says is exacly what it means ie literally. It seems logical that if God wants the bible to enlighten us, He did not instruct it to be written so it would be hard to read or understand. If you for instance want someone to learn a skill of some kind, would it not make sense to write the instructions as simple to understand as possible. We feel the bible is written so simply that generally the world is overlooking the true meaning, thinking for some reason that it should be complicated. The bible is a true miracle. It can be studied and studied with little or no learing taking place. The Spirit is needed for us to interpret it correctly. If we do not have it, we are bound not to understand. We have nothing worldly to protect when we look to the bible to learn. No money is involved. We have no organization to defend in any way. There is no agenda to protect other than to learn the truth. A person with a string of doctorates in theology, or great respect from people in general hold no more sway over our hunt for the real truth than does a person who claims to know nothing about it. We depend solely on the Spirit to teach and guide us. We hold no premises and try to make the scriptures fit them. Our premise on each topic stems from what we read first. We are open to having others suggest we are wrong, because we find that considering view points of others can sharpen our own understanding. If someone else says something that differs with our view, we consider it carefully. What is right we accept, what is not we reject. We can do this if the Spirit guides us. Until the Spirit reveals a thing, we leave options open. We study scriptures regularly, and find as I said that the scripures are very simple to understand if one lets the Spirit guide, with no other motive in mind but to learn the truth. Even Revelation is simple and clear if one takes this approach. Just believe what is simply stated. The world at large think it is hard to understand, and so it is if the Spirit does not guide. This is why there is so great a variety about what people think the bible is saying. There are so many different interpretations because those reading it are not lead by Holy Spirit. If everyone reading it were lead by the Holy Spirit they would be of ONE accord. Sincerely Emmy and Henry (Hank) |
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54 | is there security of the believer | Rom 8:39 | Emmy | 116855 | ||
Dear kalos: Does the logic you state also apply to your premise and conclusion. From my view point this is how it works: I did not start with the premise that one could fall away. I started by reading scripture. These readings lead to the conclusion that one can fall away. We then found that no scripture passage contradicts this premise at any time. If you wish, post a passage that you think says most strongly that one cannot fall away and I'll try toreturn a response as to exactly what I think the passage means. Sincerely Emmy and Henry |
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55 | is there security of the believer | Rom 8:39 | Emmy | 116767 | ||
Hank I have encountered these arguements before, but we disagree. Our premises are opposite on this point. Mine: One can fall away. Your: One cannot fall away. We can therefore not both be right on this point. Logical conclusions: If you are right then I have nothing to lose, since you claim that if one is born again, though he sin or hold erroneous beliefs he cannot lose life. If I am right, I am likely to be more vigilant, knowing the possibility exists that things could turn out wrong in the end. Sincerely Henry and Emmy |
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56 | Reconciling Rom 8:39 with Heb 10:26 | Rom 8:39 | Emmy | 116670 | ||
With all respect. Heb 6:1 Therefore leaving the elementary teaching about the Christ, let us press on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, 2 of instruction about washings, and laying on of hands, and the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment. 3 And this we shall do, if God permits. 4 For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God, and put Him to open shame. Verse 1: Let "US" clearly refers to people being addresses, namely the Hebrews. They are born again, and are encouraged to strive to become mature in understanding and living. They came through repentance and Christ's sacrifice to faith. One who has repented and made alive in Christ through the Spirit should not dwell on these beginning things of faith. Verse 2: Neither should they continually go one about washings, the fact that there is a resurrection, and a judgement. These are basic things. Verse 3: We should instead press on to mature, being skilled in righteousness. Even this only happens if God permits it. He is in full control of this, and we are not. Verse 4: Does not switch to talking about someone else, but these self same people. It is speaking of those who have received the Holy Spirit, who were enlightened by it, tasted heavenly gifts, Verse 5: have known the word of God, and the power of the age to come. This cannot be talking about people who have never been born of the Spirit, since it says they were partakers of it. Verse 6: If after having experienced all of the above, one then falls away, he cannot come to repentance a second time and expect through it to be accepted again though Christ was crucified, because that is like crucifying Him a second time. If people were not able to do this, or if one COULD NOT fall away, this warning is meaningless, and aimed at no one. Here is the logic for that: Unbelievers are not partakers of the Holy Spirit, so it cannot be addressing them. People born of the Spirit who remain in it, are not trying to make use of the sacrifice of Christ a second time. This passage speaks of those trying to come to repentance a SECOND time, and use the sacrifice of Christ a second time. The mere mention of this situation let alone the warning against trying it means the possibility of people trying to do this exists. The only reason one would try to come to repentance again and to make use of the sacrifice a scond time, is that the benefit of the repentance and the sacrifice the first time had worn off. ie that person fell away. He would not have to come to repentance, or try to crucify Christ again for himself. We cannot count on the opinion of others, but only the word of God as it is revealed to us through the Spirit. Holy Spirit is our teacher, and we can trust no other, no matter what their status. Ryrie could be wrong. 1 John 2:27 As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit--just as it has taught you, "remain in him". If one is open to it, the words "remain in him" say "do not try to leave and expect to come back" To teach that once saved no matter what is not sound or consistant with what has happened to both man and angels alike in the past. I can only say that I cannot convince you of this, but that the whole of the bible can be interpreted with falling away as a possibility without contradiction in any part of it. There might be contradiction between these statements and what others believe, but these statements are not self contradictory to my knowledge, or to any scripture passage that I can think of. Sincerely Emmy and Henry |
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57 | Reconciling Rom 8:39 with Heb 10:26 | Rom 8:39 | Emmy | 116633 | ||
Romans 8:39 says that no one is able to force you to your saved state. Heb 10:26 Leaves open the option for a person to change his/her own mind. That is one can through his/her actions lose saved state. Angels were not spared if they sinned. If one is saved, he is no more than restored. Being restored does not mean free will no longer applies. It was never true that one could not rebel against God. Angels who have not fallen in the past can still choose to do so. Man fell from grace in the beginning. There was a way made for us to be restored. Being restored does not mean anyhting goes from that time on without a possibility of falling from grace again. If this happens it says in Hebrews we cannot be restored a second time. Simply stated No one else can destroy our restored state of grace, but we have the free will to cancel the restored state by our own actions. take care |
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58 | Please explain Isaiah 60 verse 1 | Is 60:1 | Emmy | 116157 | ||
Isaiah 60:1 Isaiah 60:1 "Arise, shine, for your light has come, and the glory of the LORD rises upon you. This verse addresses Jerusalem on which the glory of the Lord will shine. This is to happen in the future. Verse 14 below actually states that it is Jerusalem(Zion)being addressed in this chapter. Isaiah 60:14 The sons of your oppressors will come bowing before you; all who despise you will bow down at your feet and will call you the City of the LORD, Zion of the Holy One of Israel. |
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59 | Did this war already occur? | Rev 12:7 | Emmy | 116136 | ||
War in heaven: It is a war with no casualties. Michael and his angels battle Satan and his angels. Michael is to be victorious. Satan and his angels are thrown to the earth. WHEN Satan realizes he is thrown down, he persecutes Israel. This persecution leads to those in Judea fleeing to be fed in the wilderness for 1260 days. Satan will know immediately that He is cast down. It will not take Him years to figure that out The FIRST seal of chapter 6 is a war, but unlike the following seals their are no casualties. The rider on a red horse takes peace from the earth, so the first was not a war on earth since it would have taken peace from the earth. Israel has not had to flee for the wilderness yet, so Satan is still in heaven and not thrown down. IN regard to coming quickly, a thousand years is as a day with the Lord, so it is quick in His view. There is a passage that says men in the last days will be scoffing, and saying that the day of the Lord is not coming quickly but that everything is the same as from the beginning. The reply was that though it seems slow in coming to man, it is in fact not long in the larger view of God. 2 Peter 2: 3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. 8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. |
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60 | why don't people study the old testmant | OT general | Emmy | 116130 | ||
People do study the old testament. Perhaps you do not know someone who does, but there are many that do. The new testament is a treasure. The old is a treasure too. See quote below The old testament has many prophesies for times during the new testament. They are both teachings and instructions through the Holy Spirit. IN Old testament times through prophets God chose. In New testament times directly to individual people throughout the world. Quote: Mattew 13:52 Then said he unto them, Therefore every scribe which is instructed unto the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which bringeth forth out of his treasure things new and old. A scribe refers to a person who knew the OT scriptures. Kingdom of heaven refers to NT times. Thus on knowing the old testament, and also knowing about the Kingdom of God (NT) has two treasures. |
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