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21 | reassurance of lambs book of life | Rev 20:15 | Emmy | 118730 | ||
Hi Kalos You are right in observing that I am not claiming that one has to trust ones own subjective feelings. I am saying that there is only ONE we can trust, and thought I had said that. Jesus sent the Holy Spirit to be our teacher, and we have no need of anyone else teaching us. We cannot understand scripture or God without the Spirit, because the scriptures are spiritual, and spiritually discerned. Once the Spirit reveals that scriptures are trustworthy, and teaches us the meanings, then we learn truth. The scriptues also being the word of God, are not open to different interprations. They are unified and logical. These scriptures say to test everything, therefore nothing is excluded. This means if one picks up a translation of the scriptures of which there are many, one has to discern which translation is right. Many on this forum Object quite strenuously about someone quoting from the New World Translation for instance. To an unbeliever, the scriptures sound like foolishness. Therefore there has to be a source outside the scripture to tell that unbeliever that they in fact are truthful and good. That source is the Holy Spirit. True that there is a role for a teacher, but anything they say should be tested, lest they are understanding something incorrectly themselves. How does one test what one hears as being right or wrong? The Holy Spirit will reveal it. Not sure about the point you made that I did not address. I usually try to do so, but probably missed it. Sorry. SIncerely Henry and Emmy. |
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22 | reassurance of lambs book of life | Rev 20:15 | Emmy | 118680 | ||
Typo I meant original manuscript. Have you seen one and do you understand what you read? Original translation might be the first ranslation. I would not know which translation that is. Not a bone of contention really. SIncerely Henry and Emmy |
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23 | The dead know nothing ??? | Eccl 9:5 | Emmy | 118678 | ||
Thank you for the response. I read it the same way by the way. Sincerely Henry and Emmy |
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24 | reassurance of lambs book of life | Rev 20:15 | Emmy | 118676 | ||
Hi Kalos again. Studying all ones life is not necessarily of any use to one, if the bible can be believed, or if one observes that those that study lots also often disagree. The bible itself is to be tested. One cannot just pick a book and say this is the word of God. There are many works that claim to be the word of God, and many that claim they have it. We have to try to drawclose to God, so that He will draw close to us, and have Him reveal through His Spirit which Book is His word, which translation in that faith is correct, and who claiming to know the word of God actually does. Everything we hear or see we are to test, to see if it is true or not. If it is not we are to leave it. If it is true we can accept it. The ability to test rest within us, namely the Spirit of God. If we do not have it we cannot accept the truth, but think it is foolishness. We can trust only ONE , namely Christ Sincerely Henry and Emmy |
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25 | reassurance of lambs book of life | Rev 20:15 | Emmy | 118668 | ||
Hi Kalos: I am just saying that all translatins listed have exactly the same end result, namely no eternal life, original manuscripts or no. Do you think the original translation you are refering to contradicts all the others?? Sincerely Henry and Emmy. |
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26 | reassurance of lambs book of life | Rev 20:15 | Emmy | 118667 | ||
Hi: I am not sure what point you are making with your response. I do not understand Greek, as do most non-Greeks. To take the words of strangers that Greek words mean certain things is not really helpful to me. Anyone should be able to attain to the truth of God without knowing Greek. This is not to belittle you in any way, I just see things that way. People without everhaving seen or heard of a bible can come to know God. This has to be so, because so may in the world throughout history have not heard of Jesus or the bible or anything written in it. Jesus died once for ALL. It is not so much that the bible has to reach people, but that Christ has to reach people. This he can do for anyone. To anyone searching for God, God will reveal Himself. Sincerely Henry and Emmy |
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27 | reassurance of lambs book of life | Rev 20:15 | Emmy | 118665 | ||
Hi: Could it be that being taken out of the book of life has the effect of not being able to take part in the tree of life, both of which are required in order to have everlasting life. This line of thinking means all translations basically say the same thing. Are you suggesting that the translations you listed are not saying the same thing, and that some are in fact wrong to use book of life instead of tree of life? SIncerely Henry and Emmy. |
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28 | The dead know nothing ??? | Eccl 9:5 | Emmy | 118663 | ||
Hi Rex: You mean the dead know noting means they are aware of nothing??? Just checking. Sincerely Henry and Emmy |
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29 | reassurance of lambs book of life | Rev 20:15 | Emmy | 118660 | ||
Hi: If a person cannot be taken out of the book of life, what does this mean?? Rev 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. It says to me anyone adding to or taking away from the prophesy as given to John will have hisname taken out of the book of life. Why is the obvious so easily overlooked. Believe as a child what is written usually works , unless otherwise stated, will reveal the bible the unified non contradictory word of God that it is. Sincerely Henry and Emmy |
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30 | desperate for help | 1 Tim 5:8 | Emmy | 118650 | ||
Hi justme: You need to read a little more carefully before posting these things on the forum. Emmy and I feel that we have one of the greatest blessing there is. We have been happily married for more than 35 years. We enjoy each other's company, and both live in the Lord. This means we not only love the Lord, but also each other. The Lord hates divorse, and it has no part in our thoughts. We still both marvel after all this time how good a gift God provided each of us with. There will never be too much time for us to spend together, even if that is foever. You are thinking of someone else or some other Emmy perhaps that faces a big tradjedy of not being able to remarry. My Emmy remains the sweetest person I know. She is a delight to me and a wonder from one day to the next. Sincerely Henry and Emmy |
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31 | Logic in timing in steps. | Rev 20:4 | Emmy | 118334 | ||
Hi: Thank you for your response. You interpret those passages correctly on the "revealing of the beast" However that was not my question. The beast is present and revealed before the resurrection(rapture), as you point out. I have no disagreement with your question and answer about the beast being revealed before the resurrection (you say rapture). I agree with that whole heartedly. He would have to have been revealed if people were being killed for resisting him, his image and the mark. My statement goes far beyond the beast merely being revealed. My statement points out that not only is the beast revealed, but his worship is being forced on people, the image is also there, and people are being forced to worship it. Also the mark of the beast is instituted and in force before the first resurrection. Rev 20:4 says that there are people in the first resurrection that were killed for resisting worship of the beast and its image, and for refusing to take the mark of the beast. MY STATEMENT again (slightly refined to include your thought) IF people in the first resurrection had previously been killed for resisting worship of the beast and it image and for refusing to take the mark of the beast, THEN not only has the beast been revealed, but so has the image, and the mark, and people are being killed for resisting all three beast, image and mark before the first resurrection. Is this statement true of false ? If false please explain why you think it is false. Sincerely Henry and Emmy |
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32 | A question of logic in timing | Matt 24:15 | Emmy | 118086 | ||
Hi: A question of logic and timing restated. Definition: Resurrection: Bringing back to life people who have died. Definition: Changed in the twinkling of an eye: People who are in Christ at the time of His coming, have their mortal bodies changes to immortal bodies without dying at all Definition: Rapture: This word is not used in scripture We use instead what scriptures use "meet the Lord in the air" Many refer to this as "snatched away" or "rapture". Definition: Meet the Lord in the air. This will happen to those who are resurrected at his coming, and those living in Christ at the time of His coming. They will literally rise from the earth and meet Christ in the air. It seems logical that the dead are resurrected and the living changed before they meet the Lord in the air ( are snatched away) It is the 1st resurrection that holds the critical clues. Rev 20:4 Then I saw thrones, and those seated on them were given authority to judge. I also saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their testimony to Jesus and for the word of God. THEY HAD NOT WORSHIPPED THE BEAST OR ITS IMAGE AND HAD NOT RECEIVED ITS MARK ON THEIR FOREHEADS OR THEIR HANDS They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. Combining Rev 20:4 and your view that resurrection, changing in the twinkling of an eye and meeting the Lord in the air occur simultaneously If people are BEHEADED for resisting the BEAST, his IMAGE and the MARK, then logically then the BEAST, his IMAGE and the MARK will all here before they are killed. Therefore the BEAST, IMAGE and MARK will all be here before they are resurrected. Therefore the BEAST, IMAGE and MARK will all be here before the those in Christ are changed Therefore the BEAST, IMAGE and MARK come before the Meeting of the Lord in the air. Therefore the BEAST, IMAGE and MARK come before the "Rapture" if rapture has anything to do with resurrection of the dead, changing in the twinkling of an eye, or meeting the Lord in the air. Simply put: The BEAST, IMAGE and MARK precede the first resurrection, changing in the twinkling of an eye and meeting the Lord in the air. But the activity of the beast, image of the beast, and mark of the beast take place DURING the TRIBULATION period. Therefore the resurrection cannot precede the coming of the beast or the image or the mark. Therefore the rapture cannot precede the tribulations. Stated otherwise: It is NOT possible to have the first resurrection before the beast, image and mark of the beast. and have even ONE person of the first resurrection who was beheaded for refusing the beast, image and mark of the beast. Therefore it is impossible for the resurrection, changing and meeting the Lord in the air to occur before the tribulation period. We can find no contradiction in the logic. If you or anyone else can please point it out. Thanks Sincerely Henry and Emmy |
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33 | soul of unsaved people | Bible general Archive 2 | Emmy | 118052 | ||
Hi: The parable teaches that after judgement, there are those that are given everlasting life and those that get everlasting torment in the lake of fire, and that we have to do what we have to do in this life to avoid the wrong outcome in the next one. There is no crosssing over from 2nd death to everlasting life. At this time, after the ressurection (ie being brought back to life) there is awareness of where one is, enjoying everlasting life or having everlasting torment. But the unrighteous dead are not judged or in torment till after the 2nd resurrection at the great white throne. Then, they and hell will be thrown into the lake of fire where there is torment and hell itself is in the same lake of fire, and hell fire applies. The agony in the flame is everlasting torment in the lake of fire. It is also everlasting separation from God. People do not just stop existing,whether righteous or unrighteous, the soul is everlasting, and spends eternity in everlsting life or everlasting death. But, the second death is not one of sleep. It is one of awareness of what one missed out on. It is eternal and strong as you say, and therfore very imortant to get it right. Interpreting this passage allows Solomon's passage also to stand correct, in that at present ,in the first death,which he was speaking of, the dead know nothing. If this were not so, the Spirit would not have taught it to the wisest man on earth at the time. This is talking about one who for his sinning is cast into hell, that is he dies because of the sin he is committing, or dies a sinner. Such a one will be resurrected from hell at the great white throne judgement and becuase he is numbered among the unrighteous dead will be thrown into the lake of fire. It would be better for that person to destroy the part of the body that would make him offend in this manner to die as an unrighteous person. Jesus did not say that a righteous person does not have the same fate as an unrighteous person in that they both go to the same place of the dead, but that dying in sin is the problem that is to be avoided at all cost. If a sinner is thrown into hell (dies) he is in real trouble. If a righteous person dies, he has but what appears as a nano second to wait till he sees Christ and is rewarded. There is no fear in death for the righteous, but only disaster for the unrighteous when they are resurreced in the 2nd resurrection. Sincerely Henry and Emmy. |
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34 | soul of unsaved people | Bible general Archive 2 | Emmy | 117988 | ||
Hi CDBJ: I am not one to argue, but to converse truthfully and logically. Comment on sleep. When a person dies, the body does not sleep, it decays to dust. 1Corr 15:51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed; This passage says we shall not all sleep, suggesting that some of not most do This cannot be refering to the body sleeping, but the only other part of human existence namely the soul. You say you have many passages that contradict soul sleep. Perhaps you are misinterpreting them by applying the incorrect premise that there is no soul sleep. I assure you that any you can send have a logical interpretation with the premise that there is soul sleep. I do not wish to simply argue any points for the sake of arguement, but will send you my interpretation on any passage that you think say there is no soul sleep, should you be interested. Sincerely Henry and Emmy |
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35 | soul of unsaved people | Bible general Archive 2 | Emmy | 117929 | ||
Hi CDBJ. Luke 16: 19-31 is a parable. This is even specifically stated as beinga parable. The words in a parable are not to be taken literally. This parable simply teaches that sending one back from the dead would not be a help in saving anyone. We have to row with what we have from the prophets and from Christ. The part of this passage that is parable, is the way the teaching is presented as though the dead converse with each other. The parable does not teach that the dead know something, but the teaching is that no one will be sent back from the dead to save us. I did state that Jesus did rise from the dead, in an earlier posting you responeded to. The parable above no moresays that the dead know something, than the parable of 10 virgins means there were actually ten virgins involved in the teaching. This parable is not about virgins, buut about being ready for the day Christ returns, and not to be surprised being in a wrong state when He arrives. Just as the parable of the 10 virgins is not about virgins, the parable of Lazarus and the rich man is not really about the dead, but the living being instructed no one will be brought from the dead to teach us about everlasting life or warn us about everlasting death. There is no verse that I canthink of that contradicts that statement "the dead know nothing" nor can there be. Because the same Spirit that taught Solomon that the dead know nothing taught Paul that dying is not really as big a deal as many think, and that from tme of death to the resurrection seems but a nano second. Sincerely Henry and Emmy We believe Christ is God by the way. |
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36 | soul of unsaved people | Bible general Archive 2 | Emmy | 117922 | ||
Hi CDBJ: Paul had a hard life. He says it is of benefit for others that he remain alive to help them. "The living know they will die, but the dead know nothing at all" Eccl 9:5 For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing; This means the dead are not aware of time. Therefore the time from when they die to the time they are resurrected, though it be 2000 years later, it will be to them no more than a nano second. I did not make up Eccl 2:14 The wise man's eyes are in his head, but the fool walks in darkness. And yet I know that one fate befalls them both. It says the same fate befalls them both. How can that mean the same fate does NOT befall them both. What does Eccl 2 above mean to you. Why are those in Rev 69-10 told to wait yet a little while longer? What are they to wait a little longer for? Ans: The first resurection at the time of Christ's coming back to earth. The nano second Paul died would seem to him the same time he is resurrected, because the dead are aware of nothing. This was Paul's preference, so that his struggle between beating and jailings and being hauled to court would be replaced by a what would "appear" like a nano second. The bible says simply that the dead know noting. You argue that they do know something. The bible states all share the same fate in death. You argue they do not. Seems to us that What Paul says, or what it says in Revelation should be in agreement with these two simply stated facts. Paul might have said is advantageous to me to die, because I know the dead are not aware of time, or anything, so it would seem only an instant before I am with the Lord. How do you envision Paul to work Eccl 2 into his statement? In the time of King Saul, Samuel was somehow called up from the dead to speak to Saul. He was not resurrected, but said Saul and his sons would die that day and be with him(Samuel) This is a case for saying Samuel, and Saul went to the same place when they died. Samuel 28:12 When the woman saw Samuel, she cried out at the top of her voice and said to Saul, "Why have you deceived me? You are Saul!" 13 The king said to her, "Don't be afraid. What do you see?" The woman said, "I see a spirit coming up out of the ground." 14 "What does he look like?" he asked. "An old man wearing a robe is coming up," she said. Then Saul knew it was Samuel, and he bowed down and prostrated himself with his face to the ground. 15 Samuel said to Saul, "Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up?" "I am in great distress," Saul said. "The Philistines are fighting against me, and God has turned away from me. He no longer answers me, either by prophets or by dreams. So I have called on you to tell me what to do." 16 Samuel said, "Why do you consult me, now that the LORD has turned away from you and become your enemy? 17 The LORD has done what he predicted through me. The LORD has torn the kingdom out of your hands and given it to one of your neighbors--to David. 18 Because you did not obey the LORD or carry out his fierce wrath against the Amalekites, the LORD has done this to you today. 19 The LORD will hand over both Israel and you to the Philistines, and tomorrow you and your sons will be with me. Righteous Samuel and unrighteous Saul and his sons in the same place. Samuel says you will be with me. That makes a pretty strong case for the same fate for both when we die. Sincerely Henry and Emmy |
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37 | Where does it say two were in the field | Matt 24:40 | Emmy | 117915 | ||
Hi Brad: No offense taken. Wish someone would respond to my posting on "The question of logic and timing". Sincerely Henry and Emmy |
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38 | Where does it say two were in the field | Matt 24:40 | Emmy | 117908 | ||
Hi : I have stated on several occasions that I do not agree with JW Watchtower, including deity of Christ which I understand they do not believe. I would much rather see answers to my postings rather than go this JW situation. The thing is I have made one quote from NWT which to me says exactly the same as any other translation. On the point in question NWT used abandoned, where other translations use left. These words both mean the same in the context as I read it. SIncerely Emmy and Henry |
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39 | A question of logic in timing | Matt 24:15 | Emmy | 117876 | ||
Hi: Tilt. With all respect,you did not attempt to answer the questions posted. You sent instead other people's interpretations. You are not obliged to answer the questions posted, but here they are again should you decide to do so. Can you find a contradiction in the logical timing. Is there an indication in the bible that the mark of the beast comes before tribulations start? Sincerely Henry and Emmy. |
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40 | Where does it say two were in the field | Matt 24:40 | Emmy | 117857 | ||
Hi: Thanks for your response. My comment on responses was posted in hopes that some would respond in a more helpful way. I am not offended no matter what is posted, unless I were to post something offensive. I would cease posting before that happens, as that is of use to no one. The comment about posting was also not directed at you, but is generally the case. The fact that you did not comment on something you say you do not understand very well is commendable. To put out postings that are wrong is not the best thing one could do. Sincerely HEnry and Emmy |
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