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401 | Saved, but not born again? | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91326 | ||
That's my dilemna. I'm not sure I can. Oh there's plenty there but I need to be satisfied I'm correct in applying the scripture.. However the fact that I might me correct is enough to challenge me. I witness an awful lot on Sunday to make me wonder and conclude I am correct because there can be no other answer to the thing I witness and the resentment I receive when enaging most in conversation concerning the things of God. I know God Grace is great and all thos epeople aren't damned but I can't see the witness for the Kingdom of God anywhere in the church. |
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402 | What did you choose to assume? | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91324 | ||
You were very incomplete and disconnected in your post. Very little of your post made connections with me to satisfy the issue of how you think salvation relates to discipleship. For that reason it only got a cursory look from me. It was way too much to respond to. I'm sorry for that. |
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403 | Supposed to "DO" something? | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91322 | ||
I have started looking for your replies throughout this thread and I must say you have some very interesting thoughts. Are you saying that we must EARN our salvation? No, I am not. ----------------------------------- My take on this passage is that anyone who is saved will automatically walk in the good works prepared beforehand, with the understanding that we are "God's workmanship". Therefore if WE are HIS work, then that supports what He also said about HIM being "faithful to complete the good work He began" in us. But that work begins when and if we live by the FAITH of Christ; an impartation of Himself that enables us with vision, purpose and power to accomplish God's plan for us, which is to become a son. ----------------------------- Also, our salvation comes by faith through grace, not of ourselves, "not of works". It is God's "GIFT". True but that's our faith you speak of and not the faith of Christ. My part in the thing is to keep my faith IN Him. By I don't live by my faith, I live by His. His faith is the only FAITH that pleases God and produces the good works that testify to His Character.. My faith comes from hearing His word and takes me to Him for salvation then His Faith comes into me for kingdom living and becoming someone Father can be proud of.. --------------------------------------- The very idea of a "gift" is that it is received. Now if we receive that gift, then what is there to do besides that, because if there is anything ELSE to do it no longer becomes a "gift", and it becomes something else. The example I like to use is the woman withthe issue of Blood who had HER faith developed to the point where she believed Jesus could/would heal her. In her desperation she sought Him out and He did. He said "YOUR faith has made you whole". What He really said was "Your faith brought you to me and was rewarded by me for your healing". We don't knpw what happened after that but her being made whole typifies the way man gets the "free gift"....by coming in faith, believing He will save me. |
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404 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91318 | ||
Yes Tim, But I sense you are coming from a wrong perspective than me. I'm afraid will to leave it at that. Correction here, Tim. Yes Tim, But I sense you are coming from a DIFFERENT perspective than me. I'm afraid will to leave it at that. Sorry about that. |
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405 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91317 | ||
Care to make a comment about all that or should I assume what I choose to assume? | ||||||
406 | Supposed to "DO" something? | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91316 | ||
Earning salvation can't be done, so rest easy. I'm not saying that. I never have in this forum. By faith, my faith in Him, I am saved. BTW, that's the exstent of my faith. Now something happens: The righteousness of Christ for salvation is gifted, IMPUTED to me, that saves me. He saved me in the condition He found me but having said that He doesn't want to leave me that way. Now I have choice to make; to be born again and embrace the Great commandment or give so much lip service to Christ on Sunday and stay in 'self'. To begin to know God as Father or, just God. If I begin my walk in Grace and learn to live by THE FAITH of CHRIST and not my own, He IMPARTS, no gift here, to me His righteousness which reveals the MIND of the Father to me that brings me to "sonship" with the Father. Now that I am "in the WAY" I am enabled to see His kingdom and view the world from His perspective. If you need scripture for this c'mon back. |
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407 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91303 | ||
Yes Tim, But I sense you are coming from a wrong perspective than me. I'm afraid will to leave it at that. Peace Ken |
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408 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91287 | ||
"This might help if you would explain what you mean by these terms. To me, the 'kingdom' and 'sonship' are all related to salvation. When someone is saved, they become part of the kingdom and a son." The way this went on the board doesn't please me. Lets try my response again, Tim. Give me a two outta three on this one. First of when one is sincerely born again he/she becomes a "child" of God. Reference to this sort of thing is found in Isa. where it says "For unto us a child is born". Then the child is turned over to household schoolmaster to be tutored to become a 'son'. That's the way it was back then. But nowhere is the child NOT a son at this point with regards to who he belongs to but he given over to a tutillage until he becomes of age to begin handling the affairs of the Father... This is spoken of also in Isa. when it speaks of a "son is given". 'Mother', the Church, is typified in this. i.e., Made responsible to train the child to become a son. This pattern was established with the baby Jesus, the child born, whose responsibility Mary, the pattern for Mother Church, was given to nurture young Jesus to Sonship. We can safely say that the Church is to protect and nurture the innocent new born in the ways of the kingdom, Father's government, that he be able to handle Father's affairs. Nowhere should Mother ever usurp Father's authority. She should never come up with her own doctrine. But we see that happening today. To be saved is to be redeemed. But when Paul say's "work out your salvation with fear and trembling", he is refering to becoming a mature son in God's kingdom. The tutillage coming from the Holy Spirit and judged by the leadership of the authority given the church. Note when you read this that He is speaking to the Christians at Philippi. "Paul and Timotheus, the servants of Jesus Christ, to all the saints in Christ Jesus which are at Philippi, with the bishops and deacons". So we can see that salvation, in his writing to them, is pertaining to something other than being redeemed or just saved.. |
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409 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91270 | ||
I hope it wasn't for me, George. I'll trust you for that. I really couldn't see how you had drawn such conclusions on so little I posted. I completely agree with you about this forum. Navigating is a nitemare. I'm afraid to make a move for fear I won't find my way back to where I was. I'd like to try another thread but fear the "rabbit runs" Thanks, Ken |
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410 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91269 | ||
No this is what happens because of pride and conceit. I know who you are. I've met you everywhere in so-called "Christian" circles. I've explained myself very well. I've given you much scripture you've chosen to ignored. I have little difficulty teaching this to a new beginnings class at a UMC church to born again Catholics hungary to know Jesus. They have no inhibitions and hangups nor do they now sit on their hands contented to wait for pie in the sky in the sweet by and by but are learning to enjoy their new life in Christ in the here and now. You've offered nothing in way of support for your so-called 'separate divine nature' we are supposed to have but instead have continued to lambast me for attempting to bring you up to a higher plain in Christ opting instead to protect your illegal intellectual fiefdom. So be it....FWIW. I did see this coming. |
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411 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91268 | ||
No George, You've shown yourself to be obtuse. I'm done if that's what this forum is all about. | ||||||
412 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91262 | ||
Baloney! That's not what I've said and you know it. That makes you guilty of fraud. Furthermore, you've purposely warped and twisted my words...and the word of God to support your distorted view. That's sad. | ||||||
413 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91261 | ||
Your self-righteous is shining through, John. Sorry to see that happen. Laziness in the word will do that to a person, I'm afraid. Too bad. FWIW, Copeland and Hinn wouldn't accept what I'm saying anymore than you do. So I guess that places you with them, but maybe for different reasons.. |
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414 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91256 | ||
Just a little addition to what I previouly posted that should clarify the issue a little better: Jn17.5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was....22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: |
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415 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91254 | ||
"What does our (supposed) divine nature imply, as opposed to my claim for a spiritual nature?" What do mean suppposed?? Either you believe that or you don't. Apparently you don't so your next is irrelevant. Have you ever read Jn, 15,16,17? Jesus What does this say to you? Slowly read and think about what He is saying. JN.17.11. "And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are. While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled. And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves. I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil. They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth." |
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416 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91250 | ||
Well I take offense. I've given you much you dismiss as being "no answer". I've spent a great deal of time and energy to bring this down to a childs level of understanding. What did I miss this time or what part don't you seem to grasp? | ||||||
417 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91249 | ||
"...but he who DOES the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter." Sure sounds like something we are supposed to do. Hmm? I wonder what it could be? I wonder what Jesus was refering to when speaking of entering the KINGDOM of Heaven? Of course that was spoken in Matthew who used the word "heaven" instead of "God". |
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418 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91247 | ||
Maybe you should give at least a hint as what you don't understand in the Bible or what I haven't been clear on. But perhaps we might have to begin with Adam and Eve. Bad idea! Forget it! | ||||||
419 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91245 | ||
Why don't you stop an ponder the FACT, or possiblity of it being so, that you just might not have any understanding and your pride keeps you in some sort of bondage to yourSELF and refuses to let go. That usually happens when one loves the way they live. Do you love the way you live? Are you comfortable? | ||||||
420 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91241 | ||
"You are confusing "indwelling" with becoming that which indwells. For example: the fact that I dwell in a house does not mean the house and I share my nature." How can I become something that is outside myself? Can't be done. The 'outside' must enter me. The OT testifies to this and that is the reason for Jesus. He gave Himself that we MAY "become" and that by HIS own Life DEPOSITED in us. I work from my 'self' toward that!!? From some other divine nature aside from Christ Himself, to become like Him!!? Never! He gave Himself to us- "Jn 20.22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, RECEIVE ye the HOLY GHOST -that we MAY have HIS power to become that which He purposes.....But He said wait ..don't start wrapping on doors before you hang out in the upper room for a few days to be endued/clothed with power --- Act1.8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth. A multiplying of Himself in the earth, if you will. Without IT to begin with, we don't stand a chance! "In certain ways we partake in God's divine nature; Eternal life for instance. But even that is limited." Only by the flesh that will shed at some point in time. But then so was Jesus limited as, a MAN. Jesus grew old just like every man last, time I checked. "We were created at a point in time, which means we have not existed eternally." What did God say to Jeremiah?: I knew/saw you before you were in the womb" "We had a beginning. Our Lord has always been; He had no beginning nor will He have an end." Jesus had a beginning. It was with Mary. Jesus CHRIST has no end. Jesus was a man as God intended for man to be. Jesus, the man, was tempted to prove His allegience in the matter of Faithfulness to His Father. He suceeded. Jesus, the man, became the NEW SON OF GOD, yet He ALWAYS was, in THAT sense, but now has a NEW BODY to dwell in. CHRIST, the SON of GOD was NOT begotten. See Jn 1.1. However, Jesus, the man, was. "You seem hesitant to follow through on your claims. What are the implications of sharing in divinity? What are you getting at?" No hesitancy I see on my part. I do sense a tremendous lack of understanding as to what the gospel of the good news is all about in this forum and elseware.. I would strongly suggest some heavy reading of the 1900 century teachers and expositors. G.Campbell Morgan, Oswald Chambers, George McDonald, Spurgeon, ET AL. "It seems to me that you are parroting the teaching of another, but have not finished hearing all the tapes!" I OWN what I've been telling you. True, I had help but that help only confirmed what the Holy Spirit had already begun to plant in my spirit. A pentecost of sorts and that because of a deep hunger for Him, to know HIm. Perhaps it would help to know I've been in the thing for over 55 yrs. Ken |
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