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341 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91261 | ||
Your self-righteous is shining through, John. Sorry to see that happen. Laziness in the word will do that to a person, I'm afraid. Too bad. FWIW, Copeland and Hinn wouldn't accept what I'm saying anymore than you do. So I guess that places you with them, but maybe for different reasons.. |
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342 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91256 | ||
Just a little addition to what I previouly posted that should clarify the issue a little better: Jn17.5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was....22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: |
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343 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91254 | ||
"What does our (supposed) divine nature imply, as opposed to my claim for a spiritual nature?" What do mean suppposed?? Either you believe that or you don't. Apparently you don't so your next is irrelevant. Have you ever read Jn, 15,16,17? Jesus What does this say to you? Slowly read and think about what He is saying. JN.17.11. "And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are. While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled. And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves. I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil. They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth." |
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344 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91250 | ||
Well I take offense. I've given you much you dismiss as being "no answer". I've spent a great deal of time and energy to bring this down to a childs level of understanding. What did I miss this time or what part don't you seem to grasp? | ||||||
345 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91249 | ||
"...but he who DOES the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter." Sure sounds like something we are supposed to do. Hmm? I wonder what it could be? I wonder what Jesus was refering to when speaking of entering the KINGDOM of Heaven? Of course that was spoken in Matthew who used the word "heaven" instead of "God". |
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346 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91247 | ||
Maybe you should give at least a hint as what you don't understand in the Bible or what I haven't been clear on. But perhaps we might have to begin with Adam and Eve. Bad idea! Forget it! | ||||||
347 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91245 | ||
Why don't you stop an ponder the FACT, or possiblity of it being so, that you just might not have any understanding and your pride keeps you in some sort of bondage to yourSELF and refuses to let go. That usually happens when one loves the way they live. Do you love the way you live? Are you comfortable? | ||||||
348 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91241 | ||
"You are confusing "indwelling" with becoming that which indwells. For example: the fact that I dwell in a house does not mean the house and I share my nature." How can I become something that is outside myself? Can't be done. The 'outside' must enter me. The OT testifies to this and that is the reason for Jesus. He gave Himself that we MAY "become" and that by HIS own Life DEPOSITED in us. I work from my 'self' toward that!!? From some other divine nature aside from Christ Himself, to become like Him!!? Never! He gave Himself to us- "Jn 20.22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, RECEIVE ye the HOLY GHOST -that we MAY have HIS power to become that which He purposes.....But He said wait ..don't start wrapping on doors before you hang out in the upper room for a few days to be endued/clothed with power --- Act1.8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth. A multiplying of Himself in the earth, if you will. Without IT to begin with, we don't stand a chance! "In certain ways we partake in God's divine nature; Eternal life for instance. But even that is limited." Only by the flesh that will shed at some point in time. But then so was Jesus limited as, a MAN. Jesus grew old just like every man last, time I checked. "We were created at a point in time, which means we have not existed eternally." What did God say to Jeremiah?: I knew/saw you before you were in the womb" "We had a beginning. Our Lord has always been; He had no beginning nor will He have an end." Jesus had a beginning. It was with Mary. Jesus CHRIST has no end. Jesus was a man as God intended for man to be. Jesus, the man, was tempted to prove His allegience in the matter of Faithfulness to His Father. He suceeded. Jesus, the man, became the NEW SON OF GOD, yet He ALWAYS was, in THAT sense, but now has a NEW BODY to dwell in. CHRIST, the SON of GOD was NOT begotten. See Jn 1.1. However, Jesus, the man, was. "You seem hesitant to follow through on your claims. What are the implications of sharing in divinity? What are you getting at?" No hesitancy I see on my part. I do sense a tremendous lack of understanding as to what the gospel of the good news is all about in this forum and elseware.. I would strongly suggest some heavy reading of the 1900 century teachers and expositors. G.Campbell Morgan, Oswald Chambers, George McDonald, Spurgeon, ET AL. "It seems to me that you are parroting the teaching of another, but have not finished hearing all the tapes!" I OWN what I've been telling you. True, I had help but that help only confirmed what the Holy Spirit had already begun to plant in my spirit. A pentecost of sorts and that because of a deep hunger for Him, to know HIm. Perhaps it would help to know I've been in the thing for over 55 yrs. Ken |
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349 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91234 | ||
That's interesting. I guess we can throw out all the commentaries and personal experiences of Godly men and women if they can't be reconciled fully to our own pious conceited thinking. Let there be no doubt they are wrong and I'm right. Is that it? | ||||||
350 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91231 | ||
2 Pet 1:4 "For by these He has granted to US His precious and magnificent promises, so that by them you May BECOME partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world by lust " Why don't read this real carefully. #1. Who's us? The 'just saved' who don't follow Christ as Lord, who are still wrapped in "self" or those who have abandoned their "self's" or are learning how to abandon their "selfs" to Christ? #2 What does "you MAY BECOME mean if it doesn't mean a future happening that is to begin happening NOW? That's what His precious promises are all about. It is a 'now' issue by having your senses perfected in HIM by the power of the Hol;y SPirit to function that He gave us on the day of Pentecost. Hmmmmm?...this is a very elementary teaching of Jesus Christ. |
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351 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91228 | ||
Not a chance! Consider you've just misread Paul, if he is the one who wrote Hebrews. Lets read it all: 13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe. But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil. Now pay close attention to whats coming: 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles/elementary teachings of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, Of the doctrine of baptisms/washings-NASB, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. All elementary to Paul and you say, what? What perfection is he speaking of if it be not something we 'strive' for NOW having the same Spirit within as Jesus had? 1 JN.5.5 Who is he that "overcomes" the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God? I believe the word "overcome" is what bothers you all. Want more? I've got more. |
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352 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91225 | ||
"Perhaps if you were to explain the term and explain what effect having a "divine nature" has, may help." I think I'll let you think about that part of your question and how that divine nature given you should affect your life. Hint: The Great Commandment and 'Seek ye first the Kingdom of God'. Abandon your "self" and then 'abide'...It takes a divine nature to do accomplish that. |
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353 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91223 | ||
"There is a distinct difference between being indwelt by the Holy Spirit and possessing a divine nature as you call it. Perhaps if you were to explain the term and explain what effect having a "divine nature" has, may help." But there is no difference. Jesus had a divine nature that is given to us because He is given to us. Jesus, His divine nature/Spirit of Truth and that which is given us, is one in the same. Jn14.16-18 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever-the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives WITH you and will be IN you. I will not leave you as orphans; I WILL COME TO YOU...."Lo I and WITH you always. His nature is that nature given us at New birth. |
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354 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91217 | ||
Roman's 8.14 "....because those who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God. For you did not receive a spirit that makes you a slave again to fear, but you received the Spirit of sonship. And by him we cry, "Abba, Father." |
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355 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91216 | ||
There is really nothing difficult about this, Guys. Re-read Jn 15,16 and 17 then 2 Cor.4.11: For we who are alive are always being given over to death for Jesus' sake, so that his life may be revealed in our mortal body. So then, death is at work in us, but life is at work in you. It is written: "I believed; therefore I have spoken." With that same spirit of faith we also believe and therefore speak, because we know that the one who raised the Lord Jesus from the dead will also raise us with Jesus and present us with you in his presence. "If the SAME SPIRIT that raised Christ from the dead dwell IN you, ............" |
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356 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91201 | ||
"By the new birth we recieved a spiritual nature, not a divine nature. We are not little gods!" Little god's we aren't but you are grossly wrong when you say we didn't receive a divine nature. If you say, as you do, a spiritual nature, then I ask who's spirit and was it not divine? Me think's you need to re-visit that in your thinking. Is there one I don't know about that the word of God speaks of? Please show me from God's word, then be prepared. |
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357 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91138 | ||
oo-ooh my... "Is this the criticism you were expecting? I could pin you down to the level of your master. The one who first tried to use scripture against my Master, I will conclude with Pro 26:5; Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit." You'll have to do better than that, George. You might first explain to me what I said to spark such contempt? |
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358 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91137 | ||
"This might help if you would explain what you mean by these terms. To me, the 'kingdom' and 'sonship' are all related to salvation. When someone is saved, they become part of the kingdom and a son." Jesus was a demonstration of the Kingdom. You might say He was a Kingdom of one who desires to multiply Himself. Ever wonder what the 'treasure in the field' is or the 'Pearl of Great price'? Think about it. Many -saved- are called, Tim. Few choose, consquently few are chosen. Everything spoken in the NT Epistles is spoken to disciples not just professors who don't follow. Jesus would that we either hot or cold but not luke warm. Rev.3.16. Sonship is what it becomes all about once you are saved and catch the vision of Kingdom |
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359 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91135 | ||
Do you mean this for me, George??... I don't think so |
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360 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91126 | ||
Thanks, Hank..same here | ||||||
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