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261 | Born into the Kingdom of God? | Luke 16:18 | Ken hepting | 92423 | ||
You might try this: The infilling, the new birth experience, is the very life of Christ that comes INTO you if you haved believed on His word preached to you, see Him as Savior and desire Him as Lord. He [Jesus Christ] then enters you that He MAY become the baptiser with the Holy Spirit. Compare Jn20.22 with Acts 2 |
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262 | Born into the Kingdom of God? | Luke 16:18 | Ken hepting | 92421 | ||
"Ken, I've been thinking about this one all night long, I'm wondering if you wouldn't mind telling me the REAL ISSUE of why Jesus came to earth...other than just get people saved." Thanks for this question, Curtman. If we can grasp what some of our older scholars of the word have said I believe the church can be truly renewed/ I like what Oswald Chambers says here: November 12th. My Utmost for His Highest THE TRANSFIGURED LIFE "If any man be in Christ, he is a new creature; old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new." 2 Corinthians 5:17 What idea have you of the salvation of your soul? The experience of salvation means that in your actual life things are really altered, you no longer look at things as you used to; your desires are new, old things have lost their power. One of the touchstones of experience is - Has God altered the thing that matters? If you still hanker after the old things, it is absurd to talk about being born from above, you are juggling with yourself. If you are born again, the Spirit of God makes the alteration manifest in your actual life and reasoning, and when the crisis comes you are the most amazed person on earth at the wonderful difference there is in you. There is no possibility of imagining that you did it. It is this complete and amazing alteration that is the evidence that you are a saved soul. What difference has my salvation and sanctification made? For instance, can I stand in the light of 1 Corinthians 13, or do I have to shuffle? The salvation that is worked out in me by the Holy Ghost emancipates me entirely, and as long as I walk in the light as God is in the light, He sees nothing to censure because His life is working out in every particular, not to my consciousness, but deeper than my consciousness. ------------------------------------------ There certainly is a "Plumline" we are placed against when we seek to follow and experience Christ in our lives. Certain of these "feelings" given us to convict us SHOULD lead us to the cross the we might see our error, ask for forgiveness, and then get on with becoming a son God desires to bring into His Glory. This is why Jesus, the man, had to prove Himself and what the scripture means when it says: Hebrews 5:8 Although He was a Son, He learned obedience from the things which He suffered. Ephes. 4:20-22 But ye have not so learned Christ; [21] If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus: [22] That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; Philip. 4:9 Those things, which ye have both learned, and received, and heard, and seen in me, do: and the God of peace shall be with you. These ARE the works we must be about. I hope I've been a help |
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263 | Born into the Kingdom of God? | Luke 16:18 | Ken hepting | 92417 | ||
"These had 'received the Word' and therefore were born again. Received the Word means that they had taken it to heart or taken it within. The infilling came later to them. To be born again is to be regenerated by the Holy Spirit, but to be 'filled' is to be empowered supernaturally for service." No. Infilling and the coming upon are two seperate issues and manifestations of the same Spirit. You might try this: The infilling, the new birth experience, is the very life of Christ that comes INTO you if you haved believed on His worded preached to you, see Him as Savior and desire Him as Lord. He [Jesus Christ] then enters you that He MAY become the baptiser with the Holy Spirit. Luke 3:16 John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he SHALL baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire. SHALL? and not, WILL? Sometimes this happens all at one time. I've seen it that way. Most of the time it doesn't but requires one to tarry. But that's God's business and His timing in the matter. |
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264 | Born into the Kingdom of God? | Luke 16:18 | Ken hepting | 92415 | ||
"I disagree...before Christ there were no righteous people." Then you must reconcile this passage satisfactorily:Rev. 20:12 NASB 'And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, ACCORDING TO THEIR DEEDS.' These are the ones, those who did righteous deeds that the blood Christ will redeem. This will testify to the acripture that man is without excuse and God rewards those who see Him in the Earth through the various means He has provided and who, as a consequence of seeing, live their lives accordingly. The Grace of God can't be so narrow as to not include them because they never heard the name of Jesus. No! Their names will be in the book of life. Furthermore this is the main reason for evangelism, i.e., to preach the gospel of the good news of the kingdom of God to "bring many sons into glory" and NOT to get people saved who already sense there is a God but to explain Him [God] that they might come into the more perfect way of believing in Him. Buy the book "Bruchco". The young man Bruce Olsen who went to SA and to the Mantalone indian tribe. It will explain a lot of what I'm referring to. Your references having to with sending a preacher has to do more with the preaching of the kingdom of God they hope for because they already see God [in nature] and need to have closure in the matter of how to attain entrance into eternal life with Him. Re-read all that you just posted to me in the light of Rev 20.12. Don't let it mean it was for those who died with the promise of Messiah. They had preachers and plenty of them. Many had God Himself. |
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265 | Does speaking in tongues come naturally? | Acts | Ken hepting | 92384 | ||
Did you send you concerns to him as well as me, Just curious, KNH |
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266 | Does speaking in tongues come naturally? | Acts | Ken hepting | 92381 | ||
"For starters had God wanted to use another word for the nominative, feminine, singular, in verse four, for the noun AGAPE, I am sure it would have been no problem for Him to do so; but He didn’t!" But I did and gave my reasons. Sorry that you don't see it as a/my way of explaining the kingdom of God and the intimacy of how God is connected with it.. If you can point to something in that reasoning that does injury to scripture, please do...I'm open to adjustment. ------------------------------------ What I was trying to point out to you, in a casual fashion, is that you have verbally insulted and belittled a brother on the forum with your snide answer to a question and have upset some on the forum. I've been upset also and apparently I missed what you intended to point out to me in a casual way. How about giving me two outta three? Yours in love also, KNH |
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267 | Born into the Kingdom of God? | Luke 16:18 | Ken hepting | 92371 | ||
I believe I have...So much has been written. I think she/he owes me. | ||||||
268 | Does speaking in tongues come naturally? | Acts | Ken hepting | 92369 | ||
Great question. For the record, I've always had a problem with 13 -1 Corth. until I began to view it as the habitation of God Himself. Ergo, the kingdom of Himself with Jesus Christ being the King/Ruler. Re-read the chapter and substitute out the word 'love' with the word 'God'....That's His name anyway so you really aren't changing any words around to satisfy some bent of private interpretation. For that matter you could insert the phrase 'kingdom of God' and still be correct. Lets try it on part of it: 1 Cor. 13:1 [NASB] If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but do not have love [God], I have become a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but do not have love [abide in the kingdom of God], I have become a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. Lets extend it: If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but do not have "the mind of God", I have become a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. One more time: If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but do not have "the FAITH of Christ", I have become a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. Now when you read the scriptures elseware in the Bible Like James 2:17: "Even so faith, [the faith of Christ I live by], if it hath not works, is dead, being alone." [---] my emphasis. We can see that we must "abide in Christ" in the kingdom [which is Himself] to do those kinds of works since HIS faith is the faith that pleases God.. Why? Because it is the mind of God...equal to Himself...perfection! The center of Christianity. When I actually saw it in a Spiritual Geograpghical way then I began to see my condition with it problems that couldn't be solved until I moved over there...Abiding. |
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269 | Born into the Kingdom of God? | Luke 16:18 | Ken hepting | 92365 | ||
Hank, read my latest..Thanks | ||||||
270 | Born into the Kingdom of God? | Luke 16:18 | Ken hepting | 92363 | ||
Thank you for your response. So based on the statement below I gather you believe all born again believers have not entered the kingdom of God. That this actually happens at the time of the infilling of the Holy Spirit? Is this correct understanding? "Entering is a choosing on our part. If we choose then we are gifted with the Holy Ghost for entry and that we might see the kingdom to become a son of God. "Luke 14:27-28 [NASB]" Thank you again for your responses _____________________________________ Lets be careful with what you are think I am saying I what I think I am saying. I'm saying the infilling is NOT for salvation because that's what the Blood of Christ has accomplished. Righteous people who have never heard the name of Christ to worship Him, will be in Heaven because of the shed Blood of Christ. Jesus died for all men everywhere. Those righteous who died in their sins, He set free when He went to Paradise. Contrawise, those unrighteous weren't in Paradise to be saved. The infilling is for the believer that he BE born again but the choosing is still with him/her after that to begin the discipling proccess; the denial of self unto becoming a son of God. So-o-o-o many stop short right here! Because of 'cost counting' the whole Christian doctrine has been altered [watered down] to accomodate the luke warm and carnal Christian. This is a condition Paul addresses at great length and John's revelation speaks to, also. The latest [severe] watering down came just the other night in Minnesota at the Episcopal bishop's thing. I hope I've been more clear this time..Thanks |
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271 | Born into the Kingdom of God? | Luke 16:18 | Ken hepting | 92346 | ||
"Colossians 1:12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: 13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: 14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins" Paul isn't talking to just anyone here but to them who have already entered; already delivered into the kingdom of God. Entering is a choosing on our part. If we choose then we are gifted with the Holy Ghost for entry and that we might see the kingdom to become a son of God. "Luke 14:27-28 [NASB] "Whoever does not carry his own cross and come after Me cannot be My disciple. [28] "For which one of you, when he wants to build a tower, does not first sit down and calculate the cost, to see if he has enough to complete it? Question: How does one carry his cross if he is not already a disciple; born again? So Jesus is speaking to those who would be His followers and if we choose it should be because we have counted the cost. Remember the rich young ruler who walked away from Him? He counted the cost. There are many scriptures pertaining to sons of God getting kick out of the kingdom. |
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272 | Born into the Kingdom of God? | Luke 16:18 | Ken hepting | 92335 | ||
I appreciate that, Curtman and consider it an opportunity to enlarge our discussion to get at the real issues of why Jesus Christ came to earth...other than 'just get people saved'. Ken |
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273 | Born into the Kingdom of God? | Luke 16:18 | Ken hepting | 92334 | ||
"Correct me if I'm wrong on this thing, but I thought that your original question, "Where does it say that we are born into the kingdom of God" was based on your perspective that "Heaven is a prepared place for a prepared people". The way this forum is structured it's diffficult to know who said what. My question was in reply to the statement made by Fran1946 who stated we are born ino the kingdom of God. |
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274 | Born into the Kingdom of God? | Luke 16:18 | Ken hepting | 92326 | ||
"How about a different figure of speech?? You say Born into the Kingdom, and it's no telling what you might get. You say Born again, then just about everyone is on the same page." But it's not a figure of speech, Curtman. It's a clear mistake to think one can be born into the kingdom of God. So being on the right page is not the issue here. Jn 3.3,5 make it plain that one MUST be born again to see it and enter it IF one chooses. Jesus said "many are called but not many are chosen". Why? Because not many 'saved' people choose the kingdom of God as their of way; THE way of life, to LIFE. I personally wouldn't hold out much hope for such a one succeeding to the end embracing Christ only as savior without Him also being Lord. ----------------------------------- Heaven is a prepared place for a prepared people, like you said. Who are those prepared people? Try reading the 3rd chp. of John. the first 18 verses. Personally I believe it to be self explainitory, if not post your questions, and you will get an answer. It is self explanatory. The word 'believe', that we skim over, must be clarified to mean something that demands or requires an action. This links it inseparably with the word 'faith'; ours. This is something WE do that we may enter and BEGIN to see, the kingdom of God. From then on we MUST learn to live BY the FAITH of Christ because His Faith gives us the 'eyeballs' for viewing the issues of life from His perspective; i.e., from the kingdom. Remember the term 'eyesalve' used in scripture? |
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275 | What is the context? | Acts | Ken hepting | 92323 | ||
Eph 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; These are not gifts. They are Ministries. They are learned. There are schools of learning for such OFFICES. |
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276 | Does speaking in tongues come naturally? | Acts | Ken hepting | 92288 | ||
"And you are accusing ME of pride?!?" :) Yes, along with being presumptuously dull, as in obtuse. You have no understanding and you've shown it here with me. Here's a good example: "So Acts 2 tells what happened to those in the upper room, not what THEY were doing". Acts 2 does tell us WHAT they were doing. They were in one accord. That's what they doing. One accord means agreement. If you had any senses about you you would understand that they were praying, worshipping and generally waiting on the Lord as He instructed them to do. It's called "tarrying". That's the sort of thing one does when waiting on the Lord. Maybe you don't do that at your church. Maybe that's the problem with the church in general, today. You probably praise Him in silence. Is the what you do? And you say you have the gift of what? discernment? One needs understanding for that gift to be effective. |
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277 | What is the context? | Acts | Ken hepting | 92282 | ||
"I have the gifts of teaching and discernment". Never heard of the gift of teaching. Everyone in Christ should be apt to teach but it does sound like you have the gift of conceit, and boasting. Maybe you should re-consider what Paul is defining as gifts and adminstrations. Most everything he states is of a supernatural experience requiring you get out of the way. |
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278 | Sleep speaking in tongues? | Acts | Ken hepting | 92281 | ||
Perservere and press in. The Lord won't ever fail you. | ||||||
279 | Does speaking in tongues come naturally? | Acts | Ken hepting | 92271 | ||
"Not nearly as much as you are assuming, judging by your posts in this thread. Assuming that they had Scriptures in their possession is anything but a stretch. So what do YOU think was going on in the upper room? Please support your suppositions with Scripture" Acts 2. 2:1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, AS THE SPIRIT GAVE THEM UTTERANCE. If you want to add to that you will be assuming. That's anyones best shot who wasn't there! You do know what assuming does don't you? Personally I'd run with what is written. It's enough and it's still happening today. ---------------------------------- Ah, yes. The "good Bible study" that the church lacked for 1850 years of its existence. How wise 20th- and 21st-century American Christians are! They should have had more of us in the early church. Then maybe there would be no denominations and all of us would be writhing around on the floor in Christian unity... We are priviledged now, aren't we, in more than one way, I'm happy to say? Too bad most won't take advantage of that and allow themselves to be robbed of God's ultimate intention because of some "hangup's" that has been brought on by pride, false teaching, and/or misinformation. |
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280 | What is the context? | Acts | Ken hepting | 92265 | ||
Scripture ... Matt 7:7-12, 18:15-20; 1 Cor 12:27-13:3 ... The context of Matthew 18:16 is verses 15-20, which deals with discipline. Matthew 7:7-12 (vs 9) is not about spiritual gifts. Who said it was? YOU ASKED FOR MY REFERENCE FOR THIS: "What is the context of "He won't give you a stone if asking for a loaf"? Matthew 7.9 is my reference. ARE WE CLEAR ON THIS? ------------------------------------- "Which gift is greater (1 Cor 12:27-13:3)? Why is it listed next to last? What tongue did the angels speak to men ... something they understood" I believe you like to twist words, Searcher and I'm beginning to lose my respect for you. I'm repeating myself but maybe it is that you just can't read too well. Paul said this: I Corth.13:1 "Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels,................". Now lets be CLEAR. These are what languages Paul said HE spoke, not what was spoken TO HIM. So your "wanting to know"? if angel language can be understood by man is frivolous and insulting. As to what gifts are the greatest and why is tongues mentioned last, I ask, do you speak in tongues? Do you have any of the gifts mentioned in 1 Corthinians 12? If not, and I suppose you don't, then why assume tongues is the lesser of any of the gifts, but that's how I suppose you WANT to believe or are told to believe. Do you know Bob Jones? |
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