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301 | What exactly must a person to be saved? | Bible general Archive 1 | Reformer Joe | 79767 | ||
"You call me antinomian? Like I'm against God's law? What law do you believe in? I don't see John Piper in the Bible. I don't see Jerry Bridges in the Bible. I don't see Charles Spurgeon in the Bible. I don't see J.C. Ryle in the Bible. I don't see Westminister Catechism in the Bible." And I don't see inhisname in the Bible either. So the question is whether the above mentioned individuals or you are accurately portraying the Biblical view. "I quoted Bible and don't think I should be attacked by these people." Don't panic. Since all of the people I quoted, with the exception of Bridges and Piper, are at home with the Lord now, I don't think any of them are attacking you. "I gave you Paul." You gave me one verse of Paul, which I contend you misunderstand. I have given you a lot more of Paul than you have given me (as well as several other inspired authors of Scripture), and you have ignored every single passage, choosing instead to repeat your same mistaken assertions. "I don't need writings of man to define what I believe." But you are in need of teachers to help you understand Scripture better. Your claim that the doctrine of election completely eliminates our obedience is simply false, as the authors and theologians and preachers that I quoted adequately demonstrate. And if you take the "all I need is me, the Holy Spirit, and my Bible approach," you again are in error. God gave you the church and its teachers for a reason. --Joe! |
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302 | What exactly must a person to be saved? | Bible general Archive 1 | Reformer Joe | 79766 | ||
"You call me antinomian? Like I'm against God's law? What law do you believe in? I don't see John Piper in the Bible. I don't see Jerry Bridges in the Bible. I don't see Charles Spurgeon in the Bible. I don't see J.C. Ryle in the Bible. I don't see Westminister Catechism in the Bible." And I don't see inhisname in the Bible either. So the question is whether the above mentioned individuals or you are accurately portraying the Biblical view. "I quoted Bible and don't think I should be attacked by these people." Don't panic. Since all of the people I quoted, with the exception of Bridges and Piper, are at home with the Lord now, I don't think any of them are attacking you. "I gave you Paul." You gave me one verse of Paul, which I contend you misunderstand. I have given you a lot more of Paul than you have given me (as well as several other inspired authors of Scripture), and you have ignored every single passage, choosing instead to repeat your same mistaken assertions. "I don't need writings of man to define what I believe." But you are in need of teachers to help you understand Scripture better. Your claim that the doctrine of election completely eliminates our obedience is simply false, as the authors and theologians and preachers that I quoted adequately demonstrate. And if you take the "all I need is me, the Holy Spirit, and my Bible approach," you again are in error. God gave you the church and its teachers for a reason. --Joe! |
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303 | What does this mean: James 2:21-23 ? | Bible general Archive 1 | Reformer Joe | 79697 | ||
"What does this mean? Because I believe that all men are utterly sinful and God can't even look upon them, then I know that man can do no work." If you are talking about unregenerate man doing works that glorify God, you are right. Being born again is a change in our natures, however. "God is Sovereign and He can't be resisted, correct?" He is resisted all the time. Every time I sin, I resist God. No one is successful at thwarting God's decree, however "Since Abraham did work then it must no be his strength or will." Not his strength, but definitely his will. "So God is the cause and gets the credit. This verse talks about faith and works. Ephesians says faith is the gift of God." And goes on to say that we were saved for the PURPOSE of works. Philippians 2:13 says God does the works in me. Does it? "So then, my beloved, just as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your salvation with fear and trembling; for it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure." --Philippians 2:12-13 Who obeys? Who works out their salvation in fear and trembling? God works in us, but the result is that WE will and WE work for His good pleasure. --Joe! |
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304 | What exactly must a person to be saved? | Bible general Archive 1 | Reformer Joe | 79696 | ||
"Read about the teaching of what is called election. Then you will see the truth." As anyone who has been on this Forum for any length of time, I adhere to the Reformation teaching on election. And the antinomianism you are espousing ain't it. Let me quote a few things that those who hold to election have written: "Question 76: What is repentance unto life? Answer: Repentance unto life is a saving grace, wrought in the heart of a sinner by the Spirit and Word of God, whereby, out of the sight and sense, not only of the danger, but also of the filthiness and odiousness of his sins, and upon the apprehension of God's mercy in Christ to such as are penitent, he so grieves for and hates his sins, as that he turns from them all to God, purposing and endeavoring constantly to walk with him in all the ways of new obedience." --Westminster Larger Catechism "If the Bible be true, it is certain that unless we are 'sanctified,' we shall not be saved. There are three things which, according to the Bible, are absolutely necessary to the salvation of every man and woman in Christendom. These three are, justification, regeneration, and sanctification. All three meet in every child of God: he is both born again, and justified, and sanctified. He that lacks any one of these three things is not a true Christian in the sight of God, and dying in that condition will not be found in heaven and glorified in the last day. "It is a subject which is peculiarly seasonable in the present day [which for the author was the latter 19th century]. Strange doctrines have risen up of late upon the whole subject of sanctification. Some appear to confound it with justification. Others fritter it away to nothing, under the pretence of zeal for free grace, and practically neglect it altogether. Others are so much afraid of "works" being made a part of justification, that they can hardly find any place at all for "works" in their religion...In a day like this, a calm examination of the subject, as a great leading doctrine of the Gospel, may be of great use to our souls." --J.C. Ryle, _Holiness_ 'If there be a man that can misuse the dignity of grace which Christ has given him, and pervert that into an argument for licentiousness, he is not to be found among us. He must be something less than man, fallen though man be, who would infer, from the fact that he has become a Son of God by God's free grace, that therefore he ought to live like a son of the devil; or, who should say, "Because God has ordained me to be holy, therefore I will be unholy." That were the strangest, oddest, most perverted, most abominable reasoning that ever could be used. I do not believe there is a creature living that could be capable of using it.' --Charles Spurgeon "God wants us to walk in obedience, not in victory. Obedience is oriented toward God; victory is oriented toward self. This may seem to be merely splitting hairs over semantics, but there is a subtle, self-centered attitude at the root of many of our difficulties with sin. Until we face this attitude and deal with it, we will not consistently walk in holiness." --Jerry Bridges, _The Pursuit of Holiness_ "The test of whether our faith is the kind of faith that justifies is whether it is the kind of faith that sanctifies." --John Piper So which one of the people above, all well-known believers in the doctrine of election, agrees with your anti-works theology? None, because it is incompatible. We were chosen for more than just a trip to heaven; we were chosen to glorify God in obedience to him. Read Hebrews 11 and try telling me that faith and works have nothing to do with each other. --Joe! |
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305 | What exactly must a person to be saved? | Bible general Archive 1 | Reformer Joe | 79694 | ||
"Don't you see that faith and works don't go together and faith without works is what saves?" Where in Scripture do you see that faith and works do not go together? Where do you see that a faith that doesn't result in works is what saves? "If I start teaching my family to work then I am telling them not to trust in God." That is 100 percent unbiblical. If you teach them to work in order to earn their way to heaven, that would indeed be telling them not to trust in God. But it would be a demonstration of faithlessness on your part to not train your children to be servants of God. True faith results in works. True faith leads to obedience. Anything else is a false, dead, non-saving faith. "He saves me by faith alone and by nothing else." Okay, but we are not saved by a faith that doesn't move us to obey. "He gives me faith and He renews me and He gives me repentance and he gives me obedience. " All true, but who does the obeying? IT ISN'T GOD. The love of Christ compels me. God is at work in me. God gets the glory for the renewed nature and the obedience. But God does not obey Himself; I obey God. "If you see me and think I am obeying I'm not. Like an invisible force field God is drawing me and controlling me." Scripture? "If works come then God is doing them." Scripture? "All I do is nothing, because God does it all." You know the question I am going to ask. --Joe! |
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306 | Robots? | Gen 4:7 | Reformer Joe | 79671 | ||
"It sounds like you and inhisname have found a point of agreement." Of course I agree with him on some points. I agree with you on some as well. "That sounds to me like somebody said something about being forced." No, being forced to do something implies a desire to do other than what one is forced to do. Sinners don't desire to follow God, but that doesn't mean that they are able to on their own, either (Romans 8:6-8). "I was persuaded and convinced by the word of God through which the Spirit works." I agree that the Spirit works through the word (see, told you we agreed sometimes!). What is the work of the Spirit through the word to which you are referring? What does He do? "God grants repentance? I thought God granted forgiveness when we repented." He does both: "He is the one whom God exalted to His right hand as a Prince and a Savior, to grant repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins." --Acts 5:31 'When they heard this, they quieted down and glorified God, saying, "Well then, God has granted to the Gentiles also the repentance that leads to life."' --Acts 11:18 "The Lord's bond-servant must not be quarrelsome, but be kind to all, able to teach, patient when wronged, with gentleness correcting those who are in opposition, if perhaps God may grant them repentance leading to the knowledge of the truth, and they may come to their senses and escape from the snare of the devil, having been held captive by him to do his will." --2 Timothy 2:24-26 You wrote: "Peter told the crowd to repent... in order to receive the gift..." He certainly did. "I don't see him teaching the crowd to wait around until God granted repentance to some of them so that they could then obey." Neither do I. Those who were not granted repentance were not waiting around for it. "Under your view we are mere robots waiting for God to grant repentance and give us the power to obey." I thought I explained that erroneous perception in my last post. By the way, whose slave are you? "It must be very pleasing for God to have created a people that will worship him when he makes them." It pleases Him infinitely to redeem for Himself a people for His own possession from the mass of sinful humanity that has rebelled against His authority and holiness. --Joe! |
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307 | Robots? | Gen 4:7 | Reformer Joe | 79653 | ||
Hi, sniper. You wrote: "Do you think that God would be pleased with people who loved him and obeyed Him only because they were forced to?" Who said anything about people being forced to do anything? I was persuaded and convinced by the Holy Spirit. "Do you think that God would truly be happy with someone followed him only because He gave them the belief and obedience?" Why are you asking "Do you think...?" questions? Do we worship the God we would like Him to be or do we worship the God who actually exists? And you ask a loaded question. You are assuming that there exist people who are capable of belief and obedience apart from God granting that to them. If God didn't grant repentance, there wouldn't be any obedience to God at all. "Wouldn't that make us robots acting only in the ways in which God has programmed us?" Not at all. It makes us slaves to a different master, not robots. "Do you not know that when you present yourselves to someone as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin resulting in death, or of obedience resulting in righteousness?" --Romans 6:16 "But now having been freed from sin and enslaved to God, you derive your benefit, resulting in sanctification, and the outcome, eternal life." --Romans 6:22 So which kind of slave are you? Are you enslaved to sin or enslaved to God? --Joe! |
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308 | Could cain do well? | Gen 4:7 | Reformer Joe | 79649 | ||
You oversimplify. 'So David said to Joab and to the princes of the people, "Go, number Israel from Beersheba even to Dan, and bring me word that I may know their number."...God was displeased with this thing, so He struck Israel.' --1 Chronicles 21:2,7 "Now the LORD was angry with Solomon because his heart was turned away from the LORD, the God of Israel, who had appeared to him twice" --1 Kings 11:9 "Your eyes are too pure to approve evil, And You can not look on wickedness with favor. " --Habakkuk 1:13 "You shall not behave thus toward the LORD your God, for every abominable act which the LORD hates they have done for their gods; for they even burn their sons and daughters in the fire to their gods." --Deuteronomy 12:31 "For I, the LORD, love justice, I hate robbery in the burnt offering; And I will faithfully give them their recompense And make an everlasting covenant with them." --Isaiah 61:8 "'Also let none of you devise evil in your heart against another, and do not love perjury; for all these are what I hate,' declares the LORD." --Zechariah 8:17 "Yet this you do have, that you hate the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate." --Revelation 2:6 God is pleased to demonstrate His holiness and his justice, and we can even say biblically that God ordains that evil arises for his own glory, but that is not the same as saying he is pleased with our sinful ways. Thank YOU for trying! :) --Joe! |
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309 | What exactly must a person to be saved? | Bible general Archive 1 | Reformer Joe | 79615 | ||
"You misunderstand. A Christian is known because of his actions. So obvious is that." And actions are works, are they not? "Does God save me before I do a work? Yes." Absolutely true. "Is salvation from first to last day by faith alone? Yes." Again, I agree. "Abraham got righteousness by faith alone. Where are the works there?" Resulting from his saving faith: "By faith Abraham, when he was called, obeyed by going out to a place which he was to receive for an inheritance; and he went out, not knowing where he was going. By faith he lived as an alien in the land of promise, as in a foreign land, dwelling in tents with Isaac and Jacob, fellow heirs of the same promise; for he was looking for the city which has foundations, whose architect " --Hebrews 11:8-10 "Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered up Isaac his son on the altar? You see that faith was working with his works, and as a result of the works, faith was perfected; and the Scripture was fulfilled which says, "AND ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS RECKONED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS," and he was called the friend of God." --James 2:21-23 "I think you are misunderstanding and caught." How so? "If I did the work then the glory would be to me." With all due respect, are we having a conversation here or not. This is StudyBibleForum.com, where we discuss the Bible. I have presented several passages which show that while God works in us, we do indeed do the works. You have not addressed a single one of those passages to show me how I am "misunderstanding and caught," whatever that means. --Joe! |
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310 | What exactly must a person to be saved? | Bible general Archive 1 | Reformer Joe | 79577 | ||
"You like to mention what God does and leave out the Philippians 2:13 which proves my point." The sentence which contains Philippians 2:13 begins in the previous verse. What does that verse say? To ignore the first half of Paul's comment is just as wrong as ignoring the second half. "About the works you like to emphasize..." Me, or the New Testament? You still haven't explained how you fit God telling Christians to do things (not merely to believe things, but to outwardly demonstrate that belief) into your theology. "God does them and not man." Really. So Paul is telling God to love my wife as Christ loved the church, and he commands God to abstain from sexual immorality, and Peter tells God to make my calling and election sure, and Peter tells God to live in subjection to the earthly authorities? God certainly gives the strength and accomplishes the sanctification, but Christians are active partners in the endeavor, just as Paul laid it out: "For this purpose also I labor, striving according to His power, which mightily works within me." --Colossians 1:29 Who labors? Who strives? Paul. From Whom does the power come? God. "If they come, they come because God does them." Scriptural support for this? "No sense trying to do them." So when God tells me to refrain from sexual immorality, there is no sense in me trying to do that? You don't really pattern your life after taking God's commandments as meaningless, do you? "If they don't come then God didn't elect that person." Well, I agree with that, but that doesn't mean at all that God is obeying Himself in my life. What you do seem to be saying is that the works are the primary evidence of salvation, which is my point entirely. "Because the word obey means believe and God gives me the belief." Where do you get the idea that "obey" merely means "believe"? "People talk about works and baptism but you have to admit if they don't do them then God didn't want them done." Why do I have to admit that? Scripture does not teach that he is indifferent about our disobedience. And lest we forget, the command to be baptized came "after the Cross." You wrote: "He only cares about faith which He gives as a gift." The Bible teaches: "For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything, but faith WORKING through love." --Galatians 5:6 Sanctification is a work of God's free grace, but it most certainly involves the obedience that God brings about but that WE do. "But emphasizing passages about obedience puts pressure on me to do, then where is the glory to God?" In your faithful obedience to Him. God is not glorified by do-nothing "believers." Do you think that lazy, pew-sitting, disobedient churchgoers display God's glory? How is God glorified if we do not do anything? Did the apostles glorify God by inaction? "That's all I can write." I wish you would write, specifically addressing some of the Scriptures I have brought up. If you are right, you have to reasonably integrate the passages I have brought up into your works-less worldview. We can't pick and choose the parts of the Bible we are going to cling to. --Joe! |
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311 | What exactly must a person to be saved? | Bible general Archive 1 | Reformer Joe | 79562 | ||
"Oh, I thought before the Cross was Old Testament." To be technical about it, Jesus instituted the New Covenant at the Last Supper. "But maybe you know something else. Hebrews 9 shows the Old in force until the Cross." It shows that the system of sacrifices was still in force, but as the epistle clearly teaches elsewhere: "For it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins." --Hebrews 10:4 No one has ever been saved by keeping the Law, because no one has ever kept it to the extent that God requires (with the exception of Christ, of course). Likewise, slitting Lambchop's throat at the temple in itself did not save anyone, but rather prefigured the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world. The Savior of the Old Testament saints was not grazing out back with the rest of the flock. He was in heaven waiting for the appointed time to become a man and die for the sins of all of God's people of all ages. You wrote: "About the ruler, he wanted to go to heaven but walked away sad. Was that because he did not obey Jesus?" The Bible says: 'Jesus said to him, "If you wish to be complete, go and sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me." But when the young man heard this statement, he went away grieving; for he was one who owned much property.' --Matthew 19:21-22 You wrote: "You quote passages of works and shouldn't." Why not? Am I mistaken that the writers of the New Testament command believers to DO things in light of their new nature? "I want you to be careful not to emphasize works." You mean like Paul does? "For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them." --Ephesians 2:10 "But have nothing to do with worldly fables fit only for old women. On the other hand, discipline yourself for the purpose of godliness; for bodily discipline is only of little profit, but godliness is profitable for all things, since it holds promise for the present life and also for the life to come. It is a trustworthy statement deserving full acceptance. For it is for this we labor and strive, because we have fixed our hope on the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of believers." --1 Timothy 4:7-10 You wrote: " No true Christian will lie, cheat, steal, murder, commit adultery." Are you saying that you never sin? "You talk that faith must do works to be genuine, but I was saved by a non-genuine faith?" No one is saved by a faith that is not genuine. The question is, according to the Bible, what shows our faith to be genuine? You wrote: "Forbid it that a working faith be needed." James wrote: 'What use is it, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but he has no works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister is without clothing and in need of daily food, and one of you says to them, "Go in peace, be warmed and be filled," and yet you do not give them what is necessary for their body, what use is that? Even so faith, if it has no works, is dead, being by itself.' --James 2:14-17 You wrote: "I just have faith which God gave me. I did nothing for salvation." Absolutely true. "So why tell people to obey?" Good question. Why do you think all the New Testament writers instruct Christians to obey? You wrote: "That takes the glory from God." Not at all. Our God-honoring works, while they do not qualify us for salvation, bring Him great glory. And that is why we exist, to glorify God and to enjoy Him forever. That is the very purpose for which God saved Christians. You wrote: "Do you not agree that Romans 10:9,10 are the most important verses in the Holy Scipture?" No, I believe that "all Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work." (Yes, works again!) So much damage can be done by isolating a single verse or two and interpreting the rest of the Bible in light of what one assumes that brief statement means. We have seen many on this Forum quote Acts 2:38 and Mark 16:16 in every single post they submit, in order to support baptismal regeneration. People isolate James 2 to promote a salvation based on works. And, yes, people isolate John 3:16 to support a works-less theology. The fact is that the church needs the rest of the Bible to help us figure out what Romans 10:9-10 precisely means. Blessings to you! --Joe! |
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312 | Women and hair | 1 Cor 11:5 | Reformer Joe | 79555 | ||
"Please, where in the law is his argument stated?" First of all, I would like a little more clarification. Are you suggesting that Paul either lies or is mistaken in 1 Corinthians 14:34 when he says: "for they are not permitted to speak, but are to subject themselves, just as the Law also says." You also wrote: "Don’t look too hard, because IT IS NOT in Scripture." Paul is largely talking about women being in subjection to their husbands in corporate worship (verse 11:3). We read the following in the Torah: "Yet your desire will be for your husband, And he will rule over you." --Genesis 3:16 Granted, this section of 1 Corinthians does require more than just a cursory read to grasp what the problems are that Paul is addressing and their applicability to the church at large, but to quickly conclude either that we put parentheses around these verses or that we are to make all the women wear shawls is not being thorough enough. A couple of things I would like to put forward as we work to unpack the meaning: 1. It seems to me that the problem that Paul was addressing was that the women were trying to be the men in the church. While the head coverings might have been a cultural phenomenon, the fact that women were being told not to go uncovered LIKE THE MEN reveals a deeper principle than just what to wear on Sunday morning. 2. Likewise, while Paul did indeed go Nazirite for a while, I do not think that is what he was addressing when he was speaking of nature and men and long hair. Again, it was culturally inappropriate for men to have long hair. Why? Because that was what the WOMEN did. 3. Therefore, rather than being a 1st-century style guide, Paul was emphasizing the differing roles of men and women, especially in the context of corporate worship. "I'm sticking with my conclusion. Woman don’t HAVE to wear veils, they CAN pray out loud in church, etc." I agree, but that isn't to say that 1 Corinthians 10-14 is irrelevant to us because Paul was addressing specific trouble spots in the Corinthian worship. Leadership and teaching in the corporate worship setting is never extended to women. Indeed we must study the Scriptures with our thinking caps on. That way we avoid the extremes you mention (the "must we raise our hands?" argument) as well as the things at the other end of the spectrum that are equally as wrong (e.g., the idea tthese verses have no doctrinal relevance to the church in the 21st century). Thomas Schreiner wrote a very thorogh examination of these thorny verses and contributed it as a chapter in _Recovering Biblical Manhood and Womanhood_, ed. Grudem and Piper. You can access the book in PDF form at the link below. Even if you end up disagreeing with the conclusions, it is a very thoughtful study: http://www.cbmw.org/rbmw/rbmw.pdf --Joe! |
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313 | What exactly must a person to be saved? | Bible general Archive 1 | Reformer Joe | 79524 | ||
Greetings, inhisname. You wrote: "I read your question with interest and wondered why you ask what a person must do to be saved." Well, the Philippian jailer asked the question (Acts 16:30). "Did Jesus tell the young ruler to do anything? Yes, but that was old Testament." Matthew is New Testament. "Jesus was emphasizing the necessity of obedience before the cross." No one has ever been declared forgiven by God by their obedience. Abraham, David and I were saved in exactly the same way: by faith in God's promised redemption (Romans 4). People were never, ever saved by their own sin-tainted works. "After the Cross the only thing you have to do is open your mouth and confess Jesus before men and you also must believe (Romans 10:9,10)." What do you make of "New Testament" passages like these: "Pursue peace with all men, and the sanctification without which no one will see the Lord." --Hebrews 12:14 "Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God." --1 Corinthians 6:9-11 'As obedient children, do not be conformed to the former lusts which were yours in your ignorance, but like the Holy One who called you, be holy yourselves also in all your behavior; because it is written, "YOU SHALL BE HOLY, FOR I AM HOLY."' --1 Peter 1:14-16 You wrote: "You also have to tithe and pray, but that's all." Why do you add those two if works have nothing to do with it? You wrote: "We probably could be saved if we only knew that verse and none others. " Then why did God give us 13,000 other verses? We are saved by grace through faith, but a "faith" that does not demonstrate itself in obedience to Christ is not a genuine faith at all and does not save (James 2). One of the best books I have read on the subject of the holiness in the Christian life is J.C. Ryle's _Holiness_. You can access the chapter in which Ryle distinguishes between justification and sanctification here: http://www.tctwest.net/[TILDE]trinity/HolinessPages/Chapter2.htm You will need to replace the [TILDE] above with the little squiggly thing above the "Tab" ket (Study Bible Forum won't let me use the character in the post). I hope this will help to give a clearer perspective on these two important and inseparable aspects of the believer's salvation. --Joe! |
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314 | where did cain found a wife | Gen 1:1 | Reformer Joe | 79516 | ||
Welcome to the Forum One of the top three questions here is the one you asked. Go to the quick search box at the right and type in "cain wife" Happy reading! --Joe! |
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315 | Originals? | Rev 22:18 | Reformer Joe | 79454 | ||
Hmmm...wonder what the Bible has to say about Hagee: ''“The Jewish people have a relationship to God through the law of God as given through Moses,” Hagee said. “I believe that every Gentile person can only come to God through the cross of Christ. I believe that every Jewish person who lives in the light of the Torah, which is the word of God, has a relationship with God and will come to redemption."' The Bible: "For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek." --Romans 1:16 "For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes." --Romans 10:4 "Now we know that whatever the Law says, it speaks to those who are under the Law, so that every mouth may be closed and all the world may become accountable to God; because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin. But now apart from the Law the righteousness of God has been manifested, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction; for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus" --Romans 3:19-24 "We are Jews by nature and not sinners from among the Gentiles; nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified." --Galatians 2:15-16 'So the Jews were saying, "Surely He will not kill Himself, will He, since He says, 'Where I am going, you cannot come'?" 'And He was saying to them [i.e. to the JEWS], "You are from below, I am from above; you are of this world, I am not of this world. Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins."' --John 8:22-24 And, lest we forget, the first Christians were JEWS. The sermon at Pentecost was given to JEWS. The first recorded Gentile convert is in Acts 10; before that, all of the Christians mentioned were JEWS. Jesus is the Messiah promised to the JEWS. What was the point of Jesus sending the disciples to the lost sheep of the house of Israel if they didn't need Him?!? You cited CRI as saying: '“There are right now Jewish people on this earth who have a powerful and special relationship with God,” declares Hagee in one of his books. “...Let us put an end to the Christian chatter that “all the Jews are lost” and can’t be in the will of God until they convert to Christianity! . . . there are a certain number of Jews in relationship with God right now...”' Yeah, they have a relationship with God right now, but it certainly isn't the type of relationship that one should envy, because the outcome is hell. And to think this guy is a Texan... --Joe! |
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316 | Originals? | Rev 22:18 | Reformer Joe | 79396 | ||
"I don't know any Scientology converts or JW converts." They are out there, trust me. God brings people out of all different kinds of disbelief, and adherents to those two groups are no exception. "Why isn't the fundamentalist Christian Church bringing this fact more to light? Could it be their strict adhesion to all things Israel? Don't Israeli Jews need Christ as much as the Palestinian Muslims?" Of course they do, but many contemporary Christians are so theologically confused that they think that somehow all Jews are God's people and are somehow going to be saved apart from Y'shua their Messiah. Mix in the false notion that one must support the nation of Israel no matter how apostate they may be from the God of the Bible, and there we have our lack of evangelism to Jews and our support of all things Israeli. --Joe! |
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317 | Women and hair | 1 Cor 11:5 | Reformer Joe | 79395 | ||
Hi, Taleb. You wrote: 'Isn’t “sharing” the gospel “good work?” Women aren't allowed to do that? I'm not going to tell that to all the woman on this forum that they "aren't allowed" to answer questions, and if they need any answers to ask their husbands. Are you?' If it were biblical, I would. However, Paul was writing of the church service context, first of all, and not the whole sphere of our seven-day-a-week life. And was it just limited to the church of Corinth? "A woman must quietly receive instruction with entire submissiveness. But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet." --1 Timothy 2:11-12 "The women are to keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but are to subject themselves, just as the Law also says. If they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is improper for a woman to speak in church." --1 Corinthians 14:34-35 Paul cites not cultural stipulations, but rather the Law to support his argument. The question is, however, whether Paul is requiring absolute silence or just refraining from speaking from a position of teaching and/or authority (which would include women pastors/elders). I would say that Paul is NOT directing absolute silence on the part of women in all circumstances, and here is why: "But every woman who has her head uncovered while praying or prophesying disgraces her head, for she is one and the same as the woman whose head is shaved." --1 Corinthians 11:6 It may be possible for a woman to pray silently, but a silent prophet is no prophet at all. So, apparently Paul did not forbid the speaking of women in all circumstances, but certainly followed the Lord's direction that the household of God, just like other godly households, are to be led by the husbands and fathers. --Joe! |
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318 | TRINITY | Bible general Archive 1 | Reformer Joe | 79320 | ||
Change the word "explain" to "simplify" and I agree completely! :) --Joe! |
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319 | The Sinners Prayer! | Luke 18:13 | Reformer Joe | 79319 | ||
Tim: While I am definitely a "sola fide" kind of guy, I have my own qualms with the universal application of a sinner's prayer. It is faith in Christ through which we are justified, which may or may not be expressed in a prayer directed toward God. We see many conversions in Acts without a prayer being mentioned at all. I guess my main beef is the idea that the prayer itself is the turning point, an idea almost universally embraced by modern evangelicalism. If someone prays a sinner's prayer sincerely, I don't see anything wrong with it. However, if the prayer is indeed sincere, the faith is already present prior to uttering a single syllable. And I am sure that you, like I, have come across a great number of people who have doubts of their salvation, not because of a lack of belief in Christ's atoning work on their behalf, but rather because they can't pinpoint a single moment in which they "prayed to receive Jesus Christ." While I disagree with baptismal regeneration, I must agree with our theological opponent here that the sinner's prayer has largely replaced baptism as the sign and seal of God's regenerative grace. --Joe! |
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320 | When is a sinner counted "not guilty"? | Rom 5:9 | Reformer Joe | 79317 | ||
"Jesus destroyed sin on the cross. Sin today won't get you into hell (the second death) That is the gift. What will get you into hell is not believing in Christ." Actually, Jesus told the Pharisees the following: "Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins." --John 8:24 Those who do not believe in Christ do not have the guilt and penalty of their sin taken away. --Joe! |
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