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281 | tithing | Acts 13:39 | jlpangilinan | 65836 | ||
You write"Again you always go back to the Law. Forget it! You write"Tithing was before and after the Law. You do not have to be a Levite to receive a tithe that was under the Law." Are you suggesting that this verse is a lie? Heb 7:5 And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham: It is not mentioned here that other can take tithes if not under the law. Nowhere in this verse that mentioned that they allow other to take tithes if not under the law. I have to follow the word of God instead of conclusions of other. You write"You always say Paul did not get paid but he clearly said a Pastor should be paid, He told how he took money from other churches to support himself. Why can't you see that?" You always take the discussion to somewhere else, I was talking of paul did not require anyone to tithes. If you remember the discussion now is tithing not about he took money from other churches, it nothing about the tithes. He did not mention that he took the tithes of other churches. You always take the discussion in somewhere else. We talk about tithes here. You write"Call it what you will love offering, tithe, giving money to the church. The fact remains ministry requires money and the people that receive from the ministry have a moral responsibility to support that ministry." Love offering indeed is different from the tihes,love offering was taught by Christ but not the tithes. We have responsibility to our church the same as we have responsibility for our unforunate members. We support our ministry by love offering that was taught by Christ. We know that ministry and missions requires money but this is not a reason that we have to teach the teaching that Christ never taught. God bless, Johnny |
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282 | tithing | Acts 13:39 | jlpangilinan | 65783 | ||
I know that ministry requires money, we have ministry, we have mission, we have evangelistic work on television, all of those needs money, but it is not a reason that we have to teach the teaching that not required by Christ. Paul support his own evangelistic he needs money too, he knows that ministry has requires money, why he did require the members to tithes? because he knows it is not a teaching of Christ. Instead he taught love offering. Do you think paul did not know that minstry requires money that is why he did not require anyone to tithes? if tithes really the very right way of supporting ministry I know paul will do the same thing but he did not do it because he knows that Christ never taught about this, and paul follow the teaching of Christ. If really giving tithes is the way to honor God, are you saying that the desciples did not honor God because they did not give tithes anyway? they never taught to give tithes but love offering, are they not honoring God? Our ministry survives by not requiring tithes but love offering. We have hospitals, home for the aged and for the most unfortunate member of the church, we support that by giving love offering, not ten percent nor 20 but any purposes of the heart. We follow the example of apostles they did not require anyone to give tithes, as they said the authority of receiving it is for the levites because they came from the loins of abraham. We are not levites so we have no authority to receive tithes but love offering. I know the teaching of apostle did have no mistakes when they said that the authority of receiving tithes is for the levites, we just follow that. God bless, Johnny |
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283 | tithing | Acts 13:39 | jlpangilinan | 65682 | ||
How Jesus Christ fulfill the law anyway? Did He fulfill it like what moses taught? No! did He fulfill it by giving tithes or requiring anyone to give NO! Mt 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. Jesus Christ fulfill the law with deep meaning, working on Sabbath is punisheable by death under the law of moses, but Christ allow His disciples with Him to go to cornfields, He also healed sick on Sabbath, did He disobey the law? If you said yes! Then Christ is imprudent to His word in Mt 5:17 if you said NO! and you will agree that Christ observing the law different from the people of Israel observing it. Mr 2:23 And it came to pass, that he went through the corn fields on the sabbath day; and his disciples began, as they went, to pluck the ears of corn. Jesus fulfill this commandments and gave this to us at the same time: Mt 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. Mt 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. What it is in the law we disobey if we observe all this things None. And tithes is not a teaching of Christ Christ teach us that we have to be consistent, otherwise He will call us hypocrites! Mt 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. If you observe the tithes, you must observed other matters of the law! You did you kill your brother and sisters if you found them gathering stick in Sabbath day? Did you stone to death anyone caught in adultery? Did you not eat all food that prohibited by the law? If you don’t observed those and observe only tithing then My Lord will call you hypocrites! If you observed all those things then, we are from different believed you still under the law. God bless, Johnny |
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284 | Do you pay tithes on whole check or part | Acts 15:1 | jlpangilinan | 64660 | ||
I hope you read my other post. We better drop the issue. God bless, Johnny |
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285 | Do you pay tithes on whole check or part | Acts 15:1 | jlpangilinan | 64659 | ||
Good morning from the Philippines. we better drop the issue, it could make us some "irritation" i am not participate in this forum to lose friends like you! God bless, Johnny |
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286 | Do you pay tithes on whole check or part | Acts 15:1 | jlpangilinan | 64568 | ||
If we review the note that I gave to marcyp my wieght of my argument is in tithes and very sure tithes is not a teaching of Christ! because no where in the new testament that He required anyone to give tithes. If you can show me that tithes is teaching of Christ we will agree. But tithes is not a teaching of Christ! If tithes is a teaching of Christ why He did not teach it to his desciples. If the teaching is important Christ will teach it again for example the teaching of love the nieghbor as thyselves this was taugh in OT but Christ taught it again in NT but tithe He never taught it again. God bless, Johnny |
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287 | Do you pay tithes on whole check or part | Acts 15:1 | jlpangilinan | 64567 | ||
I answered all of this in my other note. |
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288 | Do you pay tithes on whole check or part | Acts 15:1 | jlpangilinan | 64566 | ||
Part II: You write"Everyone has a moral obligation to pay their way. FACT! Luke 10:7 "Stay in that house, eating and drinking what they give you; for the laborer is worthy of his wages. Do not keep moving from house to house. Answer:This is not salaries, this love offering, “eat and drink” what they give you. Not take salaries from them. I don’t care, if your pastors received salaries, As I said our pastor never get their salaries in the church what do you think it is wrong not getting his salaries. 1Co 9:14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel. My answerIf you continue the verses this is paul said: 1Co 9:15 But I have used none of these things: neither have I written these things, that it should be so done unto me: for it were better for me to die, than that any man should make my glorying void. Don’t cut the verses just read them continuosly and you will understand what is really mean 1Ti 5:16 If any man or woman that believeth have widows, let them relieve them, and let not the church be charged; that it may relieve them that are widows indeed. And let not the church be charge 1Ti 5:17 Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine. 1Ti 5:18 For the scripture saith, Thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn. And, The labourer is worthy of his reward. Of Any laborer has his reward but the reward is in heaven. Mt 6:1 Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven. Please start it in we should bear our burden not to members of the church Ga 6:5 For every man shall bear his own burden. You just pick this not to everything that said Ga 6:6 Let him that is taught in the word communicate unto him that teacheth in all good things. If you continue read the passages then you understand what paul taught 2Co 11:8 I robbed other churches, taking wages of them, to do you service. 2Co 11:9 And when I was present with you, and wanted, I was chargeable to no man: for that which was lacking to me the brethren which came from Macedonia supplied: and in all things I have kept myself from being burdensome unto you, and so will I keep myself If you really read the verses that you quote it has its explaination, but what you do is to pick scriptures and cut it not showing the all sense of the said verses. You write”The disciples received wages (room and board) for preaching. Luke 10:7 "Stay in that house, eating and drinking what they give you; for the laborer is worthy of his wages. Do not keep moving from house to house. FACT! No salaries mentioned there very clear eat and drink what they give to you. Not take salaries from them they very far from each other. What they give is offering not taking salaries from them. Paul is not burden for his members: 2Co 12:14 Behold, the third time I am ready to come to you; and I will not be burdensome to you: for I seek not yours, but you: for the children ought not to lay up for the parents, but the parents for the children. |
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289 | Do you pay tithes on whole check or part | Acts 15:1 | jlpangilinan | 64565 | ||
Part I It is you not stick in the discussion my friend, take a deep breath. I will put a review here of how it was start. You write that abraham taught us to tithe then when I asked you where abraham get his tithes and if it ok to Jesus Christ that I will take the goods of my enemies after killing them this is what response. Your answer: As for Abraham killing others and bringing back their goods. Abraham was protecting his family and yes I think Jesus would allow that. His disciples carried swords and the main reason for carrying swords is to defend yourself. Notice Jesus never told them to get rid of the swords. You know that we talk about tithes but you turn it to self-defense now, you telling me that self-defense is other issue, I know that it is you who turn the discussion in the other matters but not in the tithes. My argument there in my response to somebody really is about tithe it is you turn the discussion in somewhere else. You write: Tithe was more than Old Testament law it was a social custom of the time. It was used to pay tribute, show respect and to honor a person. FACT! My answer yes! In Old Testament but how about in the New Testament do you say that the people of New Testament did not show respect and honor because they don’t give tithes? WRONG! While the New Testament does not require tithes, it does not prohibit them. FACT! The New Testament prohibit it because we are not under the law, if you do part of the law why it is only the tithes and not all the matters of the law. Mt 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cumin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. It is very clear that if you do the tithes you should not leave the other undone! Why it is only the tithes, we have to be consistent, if you do other matters of the law you should not leave the other undone! What is it the other matter of the law? Do not eat the pork and others, kill brother and sisters if you found them gathering stick in the day of Sabbath and more. Why other part of the law we are ready to reject except tithes you know why because its involve money. When paul wrote that we cannot justify by the law of moses did he exclude tithes? NO! The New Testament also stated that authority of receiving tithes is given to the Levites until now you cannot show me the scriptures that give you authority to receive tithes did you? Some People myself included pay tithes to honor God, to worship God, to pay tribute to God. FACT! It is not a teaching of Christ, did Christ say that we can worship Him in giving tithes no we have to follow the commandments of Christ and tithes is not His Commandments but by the law. Here are the new commandments of Christ: Joh 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, that ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. It is not include tithes he never mentioned that love them with your tithes If the tithes really a requirements why Christ don’t have any single teaching about this? If the teaching is important Christ will continue teach that take a look at this verse: De 6:5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might. Le 19:18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD. Christ tught it again in the new testament: Mt 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. Mt 22:38 This is the first and great commandment. 38. Mt 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. But tithes He never teach that again. |
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290 | Do you pay tithes on whole check or part | Acts 15:1 | jlpangilinan | 64462 | ||
EdB, it is not getting no where! it is you did not disprove my point you asked me to show passages to you but you did not disprove any of my point, I asked you many times where in the bible give you authority to collect tithes you never show this to me. The fact that tithe is prohibited because you are not a descendants of levi are you? are we? If you are not the descendants of levi who give authority to receive tithes. The sense is there is no authority now for a christian to receive tithes, not you not me but the descendant of levi, now who gave the authority to receive tithes? You asked me where the passages prohibit tithes I show one and I asked you if you done other matters of the law and you did not response to it but to put your challenge to e what kind of discussion is this anyway you want me to show scriptures but it is you did not show first. Here is my points again please answers them first and show the scriptures that I asked before asked yours. You write"Your right Johnny nowhere in the New Testament does it say to pay tithes, but it also does not prohibit it. If we following Abraham's example and using a tithe to pay honor and tribute nothing in the New Testament prohibits that." you are wrong in this Christ not prohibit the tithes if you do other part of the law. take a look at this verse. Mt 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. Did you observe other part of the law of moses? Did youy kill your brother and sisters if you found them gathering stick in sabbath day? Did you prohibit your self eating food that prohibited by the law of moses? If you said yes then you still bound by the law of moses if said that NO! and Christ called that kind hypocrytes as He told to scribes and pharisees. You have to be consistent EdB when you observe part of the law you must observe evrything in it otherwise Christ will call you hypocrytes. You write:"As for Abraham killing others and bringing back their goods. Abraham was protecting his family and yes I think Jesus would allow that. His disciples carried swords and the main reason for carrying swords is to defend yourself. Notice Jesus never told them to get rid of the swords." Where in the new testament that desciples killed anyone depending themselves? John beheaded is he depended himself or killed anyone depending his own? Paul beheaded after imprisone did he kill someone depending himself? your suggestion is very far from the scriptures: Mt 10:39 He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it. I dont believed that Christ will allow this, he never required anyone to give tithes to Him, How come that He will happy receving a tithes if I took it to my enemies after killing them. Again, Your suggestion is very far from the teaching of Christ: Mt 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; I dont think I will love my enemies by killing them or blessed them by taking thier goods and give it to the lord part of my tithes. Thanks for your suggestion anyway. You write "I’m not a descendant of Levi, however I am a royal priest, a chosen race, a holy nation and I do declare the excellencies of Him who called me out of darkness into his marvelous light." Then who gave you the Authority of receiving tithes? Can you show me based on the bible that you are now have the Authority receving tithes can you please show me the scriptures backing up your claim. Did paul collect the tithes? Where in the scriptures that paul being paid for his evangelistic work where is that? Can you show any desciples that received thier salaries from the church? Please show me. I know paul support himself by a tentmaker not by collecting tithes. Pastors that receive salaries is not in the bible, because desciples never collect salaries, because they know the teaching of Christ:Now if can show me any desciples that collect thier salaries please do. The primary topic here is the tithe please dont jump for any topic that you want. Those are my point just answer them and show the scriptures that I requested and I promised I will answers your points. Just answer them one by one with a backup of scriptures. Show me also the scritures ans I will answers yours. If you fail to answers those then, I am sorry I will stop the discussion. God bless, Johnny |
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291 | Do you pay tithes on whole check or part | Acts 15:1 | jlpangilinan | 64393 | ||
You write"Your right Johnny nowhere in the New Testament does it say to pay tithes, but it also does not prohibit it. If we following Abraham's example and using a tithe to pay honor and tribute nothing in the New Testament prohibits that." you are wrong in this Christ not prohibit the tithes if you do other part of the law. take a look at this verse. Mt 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. Did you observe other part of the law of moses? Did youy kill your brother and sisters if you found them gathering stick in sabbath day? Did you prohibit your self eating food that prohibited by the law of moses? If you said yes then you still bound by the law of moses if said that NO! and Christ called that kind hypocrytes as He told to scribes and pharisees. You have to be consistent EdB when you observe part of the law you must observe evrything in it otherwise Christ will call you hypocrytes. You write:"As for Abraham killing others and bringing back their goods. Abraham was protecting his family and yes I think Jesus would allow that. His disciples carried swords and the main reason for carrying swords is to defend yourself. Notice Jesus never told them to get rid of the swords." Where in the new testament that desciples killed anyone depending themselves? John beheaded is he depended himself or killed anyone depending his own? Paul beheaded after imprisone did he kill someone depending himself? your suggestion is very far from the scriptures: Mt 10:39 He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it. Please be careful if you suggesting something to someone. They maybe believed and took your advice, dangerous! I dont believed that Christ will allow this, he never required anyone to give tithes to Him, I dont think that He will happy receving a tithes if I took it to my enemies after killing them. Again, Your suggestion is very far from the teaching of Christ: Mt 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; I dont think I will love my enemies by killing them or blessed them by taking thier goods and give it to the lord part of my tithes. Thanks for your suggestion anyway. You write "I’m not a descendant of Levi, however I am a royal priest, a chosen race, a holy nation and I do declare the excellencies of Him who called me out of darkness into his marvelous light." Then who gave you the Authority of receiving tithes? Can you show me based on the bible that you are now have the Authority receving tithes can you please show me the scriptures backing up your claim. You wrote: We have a moral obligation to support that which we benefit from. The Bible clearly say that a workman (someone that labors in the word or not) is worthy of his hire meaning deserving of pay. The bible also declares you should not muzzle the ox, which means again when someone is doing something that benefits you, you need to see they are feed. Paul clearly declared that since he feed them spiritually shouldn’t he expect them to feed him physically. The bible also declares the elder is worth of double honor (pay) especially those that work hard at teaching and preaching. Did paul collect the tithes? Where in the scriptures that paul being paid for his evangelistic work where is that? You wrote:"Pastors deserve to be paid, the church needs to be supported and missionaries need to be helped. That requires funds. It is not equal giving but equal sacrifice that is expected in that giving. And 10 percent is a good place to start." Can you show any desciples that received thier salaries from the church? Please show me. I know paul support himself by a tentmaker not by collecting tithes. Pastors that receive salaries is not in the bible, because desciples never collect salaries, because they know the teaching of Christ:Now if can show me any desciples that collect thier salaries please do. God bless, Johnny |
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292 | Do you pay tithes on whole check or part | Acts 15:1 | jlpangilinan | 64374 | ||
You write" While your right the requirement of a paying a tithe was an Old Testament law. Paying a tithe to show honor and worship is still in place. Abraham taught on this long before the law." This was always a response to me but if tried to asked a question regarding where abraham get his tithe they not response anymore, and I hope you can, I want you to support your reason. Where did abraham got his tithes anyway? Ge 14:16 And he brought back all the goods, and also brought again his brother Lot, and his goods, and the women also, and the people. Ge 14:17 ¶ And the king of Sodom went out to meet him after his return from the slaughter of Chedorlaomer, and of the kings that were with him, at the valley of Shaveh, which is the king's dale. Ge 14:20 And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all. You write that abraham taught this before the law, are you suggesting that it is ok to Jesus Christ if I am going to kill my enemies and took thier goods and give tithes to Him. Do you think this action will be very acceptable to Jesus Christ? I know I asked this question to you before but you did not bother to answer. You write "I know you don't beleive in tithing but nonetheless tithing is still a valid way to honor and worship. If you beleive you can honor and worship God giving more or less then fine but 10 percent is a good starting place." is this biblical where you can read in the whole new testament that giving tithes is a good place to start? Authority of receiveing tithes was given to the levites: Heb 7:5 And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham: Who gave the authority to you or to your pastors to be a descendants of levi? No! it is not given to anyone of us. Paul gave us through his writing how to give, and to be a cheerful giver. God bless, Johnny |
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293 | Bootstrap Salvation? | Eph 2:8 | jlpangilinan | 63920 | ||
Doing good works is a christian is you do it not to be save but because you love God and you have faith in God! As abraham did when he ready to sacrifice isaac, he do it because he God more than isaac, and he have great faith in God as he believed that he can have child even the womb of sarah is dead already. Even so faith if it hath not works, is dead James is right, because if the person has faith in God it expected that you do the good things as an output of your being have faith but you did not do the goodworks to gain salvation. You do good works because you love God and you observe what God commanded you. Mr 12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. Mr 12:31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these. God bless, Johnny |
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294 | limited protestant? | Bible general Archive 1 | jlpangilinan | 63919 | ||
Thanks for the answer. Why the apostle before did not celebrate it and the christians today had. You said it is not mandated do you think it is not important too? If it is important Im sure the desciples before will not forget to celebrate it and recorded it in the scriptures. You gave the example of singing, we we sing only the song from psalms, of course we sing a new songs, and it is biblical: 1Co 14:15 ¶ What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also. Heb 2:12 Saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, in the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee. Isa 42:10 Sing unto the LORD a new song, and his praise from the end of the earth, ye that go down to the sea, and all that is therein; the isles, and the inhabitants thereof it is not wreitten that we can only song the songs of david. But this celebration is different, as I said if they are not recorded are this not important why the desciples dont do the same thing as we celebrated today? God bless, Johnny |
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295 | limited protestant? | Bible general Archive 1 | jlpangilinan | 63918 | ||
I have no problem with the date, my question is why creating this idea which is not biblically encourage. I am trying say why the desciples before did not celebrate it and the Christian today had? and please could you back up your answers with scriptures, I will appreciated answers that that backing up with the scriptures. God bless, Johnny |
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296 | Saved vs. Works (John 5:24 and 5:28-29) | John 5:24 | jlpangilinan | 63625 | ||
Faith comes first to abraham not works, works is an output of a save person and not we are save because of our works. If you notice why faith comes first to abraham, if we study the life of abraham, he have faith that He will have a son inspite of age. If you remember sarah doesn't believed that she can give birth because of her age but abraham did he have faith in God that he will have a son because it is God who promise him that he will have a child. Ro 4:19 And being not weak in faith, he considered not his own body now dead, when he was about an hundred years old, neither yet the deadness of Sara's womb: He done to sacrifice his son not to be sanctified by his works but he done it because he love God and he had faith in God, He love God more than anything else more than his only son. As Christ said: Mt 10:37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. Works is not to sanctified us but an output of being a Christians. If we said that we have faith, and accompanied by works of course you are right because if faith has no good output is questionable faith. But works cannot save you,If works is a point system to save us good works can be done by anyone to compensate his wrong doing. For example if I am rich, I can help many charity then continue my bad habit such as stealing, having many woman. Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. God bless, Johnny |
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297 | I won"t be saved if I don't tithe | 2 Corinthians | jlpangilinan | 63622 | ||
Hank, Good to hear you again my friend, Before I was a tithe giver, I was a member of certain church, (i dont want to metioned it here) the tught us that tithes is a requirements, and I as a first member in my family in that church, convinve my parents to give tithes 10 percent in what we have. We practice that for years and we have no problem with that. As a matter of fact I tried to depend that before that as a son of God I should tithe. Until i found this ministries I am in now, I am really amazed why this certain man always taught to his members that tithes is not a requirements but love offering. He is the one really find the resources to support the church. We are witness of how many properties he sold in order to build the National Convention that I mentioned to EdB. How many properties he sold in order to feed our unfortunate members, shouldering the burden on how to by medicine and other supplies for our free hospital. Inspite of those burden he discourage the tithes because it is not a teaching of Christ but love offering. He always taught to our members being a pastor is not a job for a living but a service to God and his people like paul that supported himself as a tent maker and did not make himself as any burden to his members. I always listen to him how to discourage tihes for the Christians. What I do now if somebody tell me that tithes is a requirements. Thanks for your note. God bless, Johnny |
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298 | I won"t be saved if I don't tithe | 2 Corinthians | jlpangilinan | 63621 | ||
EdB, We learn that from them, the taught us that if we serve we truly serve. They dont asked really that we are going to help them for thier salaries. They are happy with the system. They really taught every members if we want to be a workers for the church such us preacher, we dont expect a salary from the church but then still we have many member become a worker. (The bible school is free anyway). This set-up is from them not because we dont want to help them but it really thier dedication to the church, instead of raising funds for thier salaries, we can use such funds for other matters. These are verses that they always remind us: 2Co 11:9 And when I was present with you, and wanted, I was chargeable to no man: for that which was lacking to me the brethren which came from Macedonia supplied: and in all things I have kept myself from being burdensome unto you, and so will I keep myself. 2Co 12:14 Behold, the third time I am ready to come to you; and I will not be burdensome to you: for I seek not yours, but you: for the children ought not to lay up for the parents, but the parents for the children. Again, thanks for your time, God bless, Johnny |
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299 | I won"t be saved if I don't tithe | 2 Corinthians | jlpangilinan | 63614 | ||
Your question Who cleans the church? Who paints the church? Do these people get paid? Now is the paint bought? Answer:We supported it through love offering, this things are labor not for spiritual, we hire painters and they get thier payment for it we get contructor for those things. Who and now is the electric bill paid if there is one? Who and how are supplies paid for. Shouldn’t that person be paid something for handling this aspect of the church? Answer:The administration taking care of this, again through love offering we share. We have telivision program most of the payment for that services shoulder of our (*founder) if we have to help him he asked us if we can give, for those who cant its ok. If the Pastor has to travel is his expenses reimbursed? Answer:Of course, this things has to be shouldered by the church, but not thier salaries, thier income should be came from thier own job. They happy to serve as pastors and dont get pais by the church, true service. As I said freely you receieved freely give. I take from what your saying you don't think a pastor should be paid? Do you have an comments on 1 Cor. 9:11 If we sowed spiritual things in you, is it too much if we reap material things from you? Answer:As I said our pastors has thier own Job they get income from thier own job or business, They dont want to be burden for our members. I'm confused a little you make it sound like you don't expect anyone to give then your last sentence you "Give as want you can, if we can give more than half of our income it is ok but we never required anyone." Is that saying many or most people give half their income? Answer:We taught love offerings, not tithes, if you can give you can, if you cannot it ok, give what you can give. Does your church support missionaries? What denomination is your church? Do you pay any support to a central organization? Answer:Of course we have our church in different nations. Our support to the church is through love offering, again most of the overhead was shoulder of our preacher. A few more questions and now I'm showing my ignorance of your country for that I apologize. In the Philippines do you have professional sports, movie theaters, and commercial shows? Do you attend those? Do you expect to pay for these? Is the price set? Or do you pay what you want. Answer:We have sports, movie theaters, commercial show in our nation, I dont see what is the relation of it in our church. We have TV programs for our church we pay the overhead through love offereings. I hope I answered all of your questions. God bless, Johnny |
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300 | I won"t be saved if I don't tithe | 2 Corinthians | jlpangilinan | 63588 | ||
We support the church the way we can, but as I said love offering is the way we give as a doctrine of our church. Paul said that we have to give in purposes of the heart. not ten pewrcent but any purposes of the heart. You said"Do you believe a workman is worth his hire? In other words if someone provides a service for you do they deserved to be paid?" My andwer: if in spiritual manner we believed in "freely receive you freely give" as Jesus Christ mentioned to His desciples. Do you believe you should support the ministry? If so how much should be set aside to give? What portion of your income should be used to support the church? The pastor? the ministry? As I said in my previous post, our pastor (brother preacher) has thier own job, they receive thier salary from thier job or business, they dont get thier income from the church. The discourage anyone to receive salary from the money of the church. We give to the ministry not to shoulder the salary of our pastors but to provide help to our unfurunate members, and the other needs of the ministry. Our founder so to speak (of course Jesus Christ is the founder of the Church) run his business such as restaurant and other business that he have in order to support the ministry. He tried to be like paul that support his evangelical mission by working and not by receeving tithes to his members. We also not receiving donations or help in non-member of the church we discourage that, in every worship that we have we put a notice that we dont receive love offering from our visitors and non-member. Again, we survive, by not giving tithes but love offering, this the teaching that give by Jesus Christ. Give as want you can, if we can give more than half of our income it is ok but we never required anyone. God bless, Johnny |
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