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241 | What if both parties want a divorce? | Bible general Archive 3 | mark d seyler | 175920 | ||
Hi Jeff, I think that both you and Justme have made excellent points on this topic. Now, mind you, I'm not chiming in as a theologian, I'm a customer service rep, but I would like to add in this. When you look at how "agape" love is treated in the New Testament, I think it is very safe to say that it can be defined as the love that causes you to devote yourself to the wellbeing of the object of your love. To be devoted to the wellbeing of one's wife I would say is clearly an act of will. Love in Christ, Mark |
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242 | Pre-Trib Rapture Assistance | Bible general Archive 3 | mark d seyler | 175880 | ||
Hi CDBJ, I just realized something about something you wrote. You said: "Just as the church age and the temple in Israel ran together for a while until AD 70, even so believers in Christ and Daniel’s 70th week will run hand and hand for a while before the rapture removes the believers." Except that the efficacy of temple sacrifice ended the moment Jesus died. The continuation of animal sacrifice after Jesus' death and resurrection was meaningless, and even apostate, as it represented the refusal to receive Jesus as the true sacrifice. Hebrews makes this very clear in chapter 10. The purpose of the Seventieth Week is the salvation is Israel. If the Church was still on the earth, every Jew that believed would cease to be a Jew, and would be joined to the Church, in which is neither Jew nor Greek. One could even say that the "church" will exist after the rapture, for a time, but not the true church. Not the "saved" church. Just as the temple sacrifice continued after Jesus's death, but not the "saving" sacrifice. So as the apostate temple worship continued for a time following the beginning of the true church, so will the apostate church continue for a time following the beginning of the Seventieth Week. One other thing I'd like to say. Whether you or I believe in a pre-trib or mid-trib rapture (we're both "pre-wrath") has absolutely zero effect on God's ability to fulfill His promise to keep us safe unto salvation. I need not fear anything that may come against me. We could be martyred for our faith at any time, within the Seventieth Week or without it. We do not need to wait for the Seventieth Week to be killed for our faith. Hundreds of thousands are being martyred each year. Should we teach people to think they are safe until they see the antichrist? But of course, I don't believe the true church will see the antichrist, even as Jesus taught: Luke 21:36 "Then be watchful at every time, begging that you be counted worthy to escape all these things, the things being about to happen, and to stand before the Son of Man." Love in Christ, Mark |
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243 | When will 2 witnesses finish their work? | Rev 11:7 | mark d seyler | 175871 | ||
Why (imo) the Two-Witnesses Must have their ministry during the first half of the Seventieth Week: How is it that the two witnesses would lie dead in Jerusalem for 3 days AFTER the end of the Seventieth Week? And then ascend into heaven After Jesus stands again on the Mount of Olives? Why would the two witnesses be immune from the beast when both Daniel and John specify the beast has power to overcome the holy ones during the second half of the Seventieth Week? We would have to insert "Except" - Rev 13:7 And it was given to it to war with the saints, and to overcome them (Except the Two Witnesses), but that's not what it says. Love in Christ, Mark |
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244 | Pre-Trib Rapture Assistance | Bible general Archive 3 | mark d seyler | 175870 | ||
Hi Kathy, There are many who believe that these prophecies have already been fulfilled, but in order to believe that, you must also believe that the Revelation is mostly allegorical, without textual evidence that it is. While John wrote in the first verse that the revelation was "signified" (they will say encoded in symbols), the word used does not exclusively mean that. It can mean "expressed in a symbol", but it can also mean "to make a plain statement" (John 12:33, Acts 25:27), "to make an allusion" (John 21:19), basically, it means to "indicate something", using any number of methods from "encoding in symbols" to "plainly expressive language". Acts 25:27 is especially significant in that Festus needed to make a very plain statement of charges against Paul. When you look at the language of the Revelation, it tells you when something is a symbol, and what those symbols mean. There are also symbols used that are both identified and defined as apocalyptic symbols in the Old Testament, such as the "beast" in Rev. 11 is explained in Daniel 7. But I think it's a big mistake to claim something to be allegorical or symbolic that the Bible does not expressly state to be allegorical or symbolic. So this leaves us with a literal interpretation of Scripture, and now I have to ask, when did the abyss open? When was the time the people were unable to die? When did all sea life die? The sun scorch men? And all the other rather fantastic events outlined in the Revelation? When was there a time that the only servants of God numbered 144,000, and all were Jews? When did the sky part like a scroll being rolled up? When did every island and mountain change location? When did 2 prophets of God kill their enemies with fire coming out of their mouths? I just don't think these things have been fulfilled. The same word used in Rev. 1:1, "the things which much occur "tachei", commonly translated quickly, also translated suddenly, is also used in Rev. 22:6, in the same sort of context, "These Words are faithful and true. And the Lord God of the holy prophets sent His angel to show His slaves what must happen quickly." Except this is at the end of the book, after the prophecies of Jesus' return, the judgment of the dead, the re-creation of heaven and earth, Satan cast into the lake of fire... I just can't believe these things have been done. And to allegorize it all into "a symbol of the church" or some such thing is just without textual warrant. So apparently, when God says soon may be a little different than when we say soon. Or perhaps the scholars are right, and it can also mean "suddenly", "with speed"? And besides, who exactly did God address this book to? His servants. Are you His servant? All true believers are. Look up! Your redemption is getting close! Love in Christ, Mark |
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245 | When Does Wrath Begin in the 70th Week? | Rev 6:16 | mark d seyler | 175859 | ||
Revelation 11:3 “And I will give to My two witnesses, and they will prophesy a thousand, two hundred and sixty days, dressed in sackcloth.” Revelation 11:7 “And when they complete their witness, the beast coming up out of the abyss will make war with them, and will overcome them, and will kill them.” LITV In Revelation 11 we are told of two witnesses who prophecy for 1260 days. During this time, fire comes from their mouths to devour anyone who would try to hurt them. They can send any plague on the earth anytime they want. When they have finished their testimony, the beast from the bottomless pit (this is the beast that Mystery Babylon rides, with 10 horns which are 10 kings – Rev. 17:8, 12) will kill them. They will lie in the streets of Jerusalem for 3 1/2 days, then come back to life and ascend into heaven. In the same hour there will be a great earthquake, and following this, we are told that the second woe is past, and the third comes quickly. In Revelation 8:13, following the sounding of the fourth trumpet, we are told of an angel declaring 3 woes of the 3 remaining trumpets, which will sound. Revelation 13 speaks of the beast from the sea, having 7 heads and 10 horns, and upon his head 10 crowns. This same description is given of the beast that Babylon rides (Rev. 17), which we are told in Rev. 17:8 ascends out of the bottomless pit, which is locked until the fifth trumpet is sounded. Compare this beast with the one described by Daniel in Dan. 7:19-21. Each has 10 horns which are 10 kings. The beast from the sea, in Revelation 13:5-7, is given power to continue for forty-two months, during which time he makes war with the saints and overcomes them. Daniel also gives this prophecy in Daniel 7:25 “and they (the saints) are given into his hand for a time, times, and half a time (a year, 2 years, and half a year).” The standard year around the world until the 3rd century B.C. was 360 days. This was the Babylonian year, as well as the Jewish year. Extensive information is available explaining the reasons for a 360 day year, and when it was changed. The Bible uses a 360 day year in it’s prophetic computations. 1260 days equals 42 months of 30 days each, or 3.5 years of 360 days each. The two witnesses prophesy for 1260 days, until their testimony is done, and then they are overcome by the beast (Rev. 11:7). According to Daniel 7:21-22, the beast, whose 10 horns are 10 kings, prevails over the saints until the Ancient of Days comes, and the kingdom is given to the saints. The duration that the beast overcomes the saints is 3 1/2 years, or 42 months (Dan 7:25, Rev. 13:3-5). Jesus returns to earth to establish His rule, which the saints will share, at the end of the 70th week (Dan. 9:24-27, Rev. 20:4). If the beast overcomes the saints for 3 1/2 years ending at the Second Coming, and the two witnesses prophesy for 3 1/2 years until the beast overcomes them, then they must be prophesying during the first 3 1/2 years. The first woe is the fifth trumpet, a plague of “locusts” from the abyss. The second woe is the sounding of the sixth trumpet loosing 4 angels bound at the Euphrates to kill 1/3 of mankind, and 200,000,000 ‘horsemen’ with power to kill. In Rev. 9:11, following the fifth trumpet, we are told that the first woe is past, and two more are coming. In Revelation 11:14, “the second woe is past, and the third comes quickly”. These judgments are happening sequentially, one finishing before the next begins. If the second woe is passed 3 1/2 days after the middle of the Tribulation, when the two witnesses ascend to heaven, the first woe, or the fifth trumpet, begins 5 months or more before the midpoint. Therefore, the seals are opened and first six trumpets are sounded prior to three and one half days after the middle of the tribulation. The first half of the tribulation as well as the second half will contain the outpouring of the wrath of God. The only question now that remains is when exactly does this wrath begin. We know it begins before the abomination of desolation. Love in Christ, Mark |
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246 | Israeli State is Israel in Name Only | Rom 11:14 | mark d seyler | 175832 | ||
Hi CDBJ, I think its great fun trying to understand these things! My pastor pointed out a passage I had not been thinking of last Sunday, in Isaiah 11:11 "And it shall be in that day, the Lord shall again set His hand, the second time, to recover the remnant of His people that remains, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Ethiopia, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the coasts of the sea." This is in the context of the Kingdom age, when the wolf shall lay down with the lamb, and the knowledge of the LORD will cover the earth as the waters cover the sea. So the second time the Lord regathers Israel to the land will be the last time, and after that the Kingdom! Great things are afoot! Luke 21:28 "But these things beginning to happen, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption draws near." Love in Christ, Mark |
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247 | before the Rapture or after? | Matt 24:14 | mark d seyler | 175799 | ||
Hi Kalos, While I agree with the Solagroup's statement that Matthew 24:14 "And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come" will have a specific future fulfillment (I think in Rev. 14:6-7), as well as the rest of the Olivet Discourse, as a Pre-tribulationist, I emphatically do not believe or teach that the Olivet Discourse has no value or instruction for the Church. But to say that the Olivet Discourse is useful for teaching, reproof, correction, and instruction in righteousness does not necessitate that this prophecy can only be fulfilled by the Church. We know that the Bible has a great many prophecies that are not fulfilled by the church, and yet these prophecies still teach us, and are useful to us. So just because we, as pre-tribulation rapture believers, are saying that this or that prophecy will be fulfilled by the Jews, and not the church, does not mean, by any means, that we are divorcing ourselves from that portion of Scripture. As one who believes the Pre-Wrath rapture view, I know you will agree that there is a portion of New Testament prophecy that does not involve the church, as Jesus completes His wrath upon the earth. In both of our views, the church is removed before God's wrath comes upon the earth(as the only thing that really separates our views is when that wrath begins), and so the descriptions of what transpires on the earth at that time, we would both agree, does not involve the church. But neither of us would say that this portion of Scripture has no relevance or meaning to the church, would we? I would appreciate if this assertion that pretribulationists propose "unfortunate misunderstandings and incorrect summations" were backed up by examples and Scriptural refutations, if it is to be made on this public forum. It's one thing to claim a certain belief is wrong, but another to demonstrate it. I know that you do not wish to debate this matter, and that is fine with me, but I am hoping that you will appreciate the provocative nature of this quote from the solagroup, in making numerous critical claims about the beliefs, logic, presentation, and conclusions of those who believe in the pre-trib rapture. While not making a single positive statement of belief, this quote simply attacks other beliefs, and that without substantiation, and, in my opinion, not very accurately. Well, enough said, my brother, and I pray that you will receive this in the spirit in which it is given! Love in Christ, Mark |
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248 | U.S.A. the Babylon of Revelations 18? | Bible general Archive 3 | mark d seyler | 175670 | ||
There are a couple of things I would like to mention about this article. I am not certain I would agree with their hermeneutic. Quote: 2. The beast came to power in a densely populated area of the world, "I…saw a beast rise up out of the sea" Rev. 13:1. "The sea", in prophecy, is generally considered to represent the gentiles, or the overall mass of humanity. Regarding the beasts of Rev. 13, one comes from the sea and one from the land. This is thought to mean that the beast from the sea will be a gentile, and the beast from the land will be Jewish. Here they interpret this beast to come from a "densely populated" part of the earth. I do not believe this symbol is that specific. It is not refering to a concentration of people, but rather to a catagory of people. Quote: 4. The beast ruled ruthlessly possessing absolute hegemony (domination) for 1260 years. This period must have a clear starting point and end with the 'deadly wound'. "Power was given unto him to continue forty and two months." "And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death." "And power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations" Rev. 13:5, 3, 7. Days are interpreted as years, but where is the Biblical foundation for that? If it says days, its days. Here is a prediction made in this article: Quote: The Bible tells us that one day, in the not too distant future, the USA will legislate a law requiring its citizens, and then the world, to worship the first beast, the papacy. (...) Soon the USA will renounce its religious freedom to enforce Sunday observance (the mark of the beast). This is certainly a rather loose interpretation at best. The bottom line to this article appears to be the upholding of the Sabbath, and that oft repeated claim that to worship on Sunday is to take the mark of the beast. Not only does this allegorize Scripture without Scriptural authority, but it is directly against what the Bible actually says about the Sabbath: Colossians 2:16-17 (16) Then do not let anyone judge you in eating, or in drinking, or in part of a feast, or of a new moon, or of sabbaths, (17) which are a shadow of coming things, but the body is of Christ. When you meet your wife at the airport, do you hug and kiss her shadow??? No, you hug and kiss (I hope!) her! If we insist on the keeping of the Sabbath, in spite of what the Bible tells us that the Sabbath is fulfilled in our rest in the finished work of Christ (see Hebrews 4), that's what we are doing. We are focusing on Jesus's shadow, and ignoring Jesus. There is nothing wrong with worshipping on Saturday, but there is nothing wrong with worshipping on Sunday either. Or Tues. Or Thursday, or any other day. Now, as an aside, you say you keep the Sabbath. Do you really? No light bulbs, cooking, driving, candles, long walks, hobbies, store trips, or encouraging, inciting, benefitting from anyone else doing those things? And even if you say yes to that, which would, in all honesty, greatly surprise me, do you then expect to be justified by doing this? Do you then keep the whole Law? This is not a very promising road you are on. But I digress. Love in Christ, Mark |
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249 | The Timetable of the Tribulation | Rev 11:14 | mark d seyler | 175605 | ||
Revelation 11:3 “And I will give to My two witnesses, and they will prophesy a thousand, two hundred and sixty days, dressed in sackcloth.” Revelation 11:7 “And when they complete their witness, the beast coming up out of the abyss will make war with them, and will overcome them, and will kill them.” LITV In Revelation 11 we are told of two witnesses who prophecy for 1260 days. During this time, fire comes from their mouths to devour anyone who would try to hurt them. They can send any plague on the earth anytime they want. When they have finished their testimony, the beast from the bottomless pit (this is the beast that Mystery Babylon rides, with 10 horns which are 10 kings – Rev. 17:8, 12) will kill them. They will lie in the streets of Jerusalem for 3 1/2 days, then come back to life and ascend into heaven. In the same hour there will be a great earthquake, and following this, we are told that the second woe is past, and the third comes quickly. In Revelation 8:13, following the sounding of the fourth trumpet, we are told of an angel declaring 3 woes of the 3 remaining trumpets, which will sound. Revelation 13 speaks of the beast from the sea, having 7 heads and 10 horns, and upon his head 10 crowns. This same description is given of the beast that Babylon rides (Rev. 17), which we are told in Rev. 17:8 ascends out of the bottomless pit, which is locked until the fifth trumpet is sounded. Compare this beast with the one described by Daniel in Dan. 7:19-21. Each has 10 horns which are 10 kings. The beast from the sea, in Revelation 13:5-7, is given power to continue for forty-two months, during which time he makes war with the saints and overcomes them. Daniel also gives this prophecy in Daniel 7:25 “and they (the saints) are given into his hand for a time, times, and half a time (a year, 2 years, and half a year).” The standard year around the world until the 3rd century B.C. was 360 days. This was the Babylonian year, as well as the Jewish year. Extensive information is available explaining the reasons for a 360 day year, and when it was changed. The Bible uses a 360 day year in it’s prophetic computations. 1260 days equals 42 months of 30 days each, or 3.5 years of 360 days each. The two witnesses prophesy for 1260 days, until their testimony is done, and then they are overcome by the beast (Rev. 11:7). According to Daniel 7:21-22, the beast, whose 10 horns are 10 kings, prevails over the saints until the Ancient of Days comes, and the kingdom is given to the saints. The duration that the beast overcomes the saints is 3 1/2 years, or 42 months (Dan 7:25, Rev. 13:3-5). Jesus returns to earth to establish His rule, which the saints will share, at the end of the 70th week (Dan. 9:24-27, Rev. 20:4). If the beast overcomes the saints for 3 1/2 years ending at the Second Coming, and the two witnesses prophesy for 3 1/2 years until the beast overcomes them, then they must be prophesying during the first 3 1/2 years. The first woe is the fifth trumpet, a plague of “locusts” from the abyss. The second woe is the sounding of the sixth trumpet loosing 4 angels bound at the Euphrates to kill 1/3 of mankind, and 200,000,000 ‘horsemen’ with power to kill. In Rev. 9:11, following the fifth trumpet, we are told that the first woe is past, and two more are coming. In Revelation 11:14, “the second woe is past, and the third comes quickly”. These judgments are happening sequentially, one finishing before the next begins. If the second woe is passed 3 1/2 days after the middle of the Tribulation, when the two witnesses ascend to heaven, the first woe, or the fifth trumpet, begins 5 months or more before the midpoint of the Tribulation. Therefore, the seals are opened and first six trumpets are sounded prior to three and one half days after the middle of the tribulation. The first half of the tribulation, containing the first through fifth, and perhaps sixth, trumpets, as well as the second half will contain the outpouring of the wrath of God. The only question now that remains is when exactly during the first half does this wrath begin. We know it begins before the abomination of desolation. Love in Christ, Mark |
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250 | Why the Rapture Must Come First | 1 Thess 4:16 | mark d seyler | 175604 | ||
The Bible teaches us to expect Jesus at any time. Pre-wrath and Post-trib proponents tell us that the early church did not teach an “any-moment” rapture. But look again at I Thess. 4:17 “Then we who remain alive will be caught up together with them in the clouds to a meeting with the Lord in the air” and I Corinthians 15 “and we shall all be changed.” Paul, writing these verses, shows expectation, each time including himself as alive and remaining. “The dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.” “Then we who are alive and remain…” LITV 1 Thessalonians 5:1-6 “But concerning the times and the seasons, brothers, you have no need for it to be written. For you yourselves know accurately that the day of the Lord, as a thief in the night, so it comes. For when they say, Peace and safety! Then suddenly destruction comes upon them, like the travail to the one having babe in womb, and not at all shall they escape. But you, brothers, are not in darkness, that the Day should overtake you as a thief. You are all sons of light and sons of day; we are not of night, nor of darkness. So then, we should not sleep, as the rest also do, but we should watch and be sober.” --- All the pronouns are first and second person, with the exception of the ones upon whom sudden destruction falls. They are third person plural. Paul clearly thought of himself as one who would be raptured, escaping the sudden destruction. These verses are written with the underlying assumption that the Day of the Lord would come in their lifetimes. “the Day should not overtake you as a thief”. “We should watch”. Matthew 24:42 “Watch, then, for you do not know in what hour your Lord comes.” Matthew 25:13 “Therefore, watch, for you do not know the day nor the hour in which the Son of Man comes.” Mark 13:32-37 “But concerning that day and the hour, no one knows, not the angels, those in Heaven, nor the Son, except the Father. Watch! Be wakeful, and pray. For you do not know when the time is. As a man going away, leaving his house, and giving his slaves authority, and to each his work (and he commanded the doorkeeper, that he watch), then you watch, for you do not know when the lord of the house is coming, at evening, or at midnight, or at cockcrowing, or early; so that he may not come suddenly and find you sleeping. And what I say to you, I say to all. Watch!” Revelation 16:15 “Behold, I am coming as a thief.” We watch for Jesus, not knowing when He comes. “He commanded the doorkeeper, that he should watch,” to watch for the returning master of the house. Jesus says over and over to watch because we don’t know when He is coming, and we are to be found ready. Jesus wants us ready at all times, telling us that He could come back at any time, that we should expect Him at any moment. Are we wrong to expect Him at any moment? We know Jesus is coming. We are to watch for Him. Are there prophecies to be fulfilled before He comes? Whether or not you believe the rapture to be imminent depends entirely on where you place it in referrence to other prophecies. If you believe that the rapture will occur following the the abomination of desolation according to the common pre-wrath or post trib views, then the rapture is not imminent. It cannot happen until these other events have taken place. The basic idea of expectancy implies imminence, in that if my understanding of end-times prophecy were that a particular prophecy or group of prophecies had to happen before the rapture, I would not be expecting Jesus ‘at any moment’. I would be looking intead for the fulfullment of that prophecy. There will be no imminency, and neither will there be expectancy. You will not be expecting the rapture, you will be expecting other things first. Love in Christ, Mark |
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251 | Does God endorse polygamy? | 1 Kin 11:3 | mark d seyler | 175566 | ||
Hugh, the following quote from the 4th chapter of the Targum to Ruth makes it pretty plain that there most certainly did exist the concept of monogamy among the ancient Hebrews: 6- The redeemer replied: "In that case, I cannot redeem it; because I have a wife, I am not permitted to take another one in addition to her, lest the result be quarrel in my home, and I will be destroying my own possession. You redeem it, since you have no wife; for I am unable to do so." Mark |
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252 | Does God endorse polygamy? | 1 Kin 11:3 | mark d seyler | 175565 | ||
Where in the world do you get this idea that the Hebrews had no concept of marital fidelity to one's wife??? Mark |
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253 | Does God endorse polygamy? | 1 Kin 11:3 | mark d seyler | 175564 | ||
Hugh, I am not basing my arguments on what people thought. People think all kinds of strange things. Many people were polygamists, and even today, there are many who want to define marraige in all sorts of ways. Its only important what the Bible specifically says. So then you agree that if Genesis 2:24 declares marraige to be between one man and one woman, then Joash could not have been polygamist and have been declared to be right. Jesus when quoting Genesis is clearly using singular word forms - man, woman, the two become one - this seems pretty clear to me. Throughout Scripture, it is this view that is supported, not polygamy. I am somewhat flabbergasted that you are comparing me to a homosexual trying to make Scripture support homosexuality. I hope this is not an example of what we can expect from you in the future! Love in Christ, Mark |
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254 | Does God endorse polygamy? | 1 Kin 11:3 | mark d seyler | 175562 | ||
Hi Hugh, There are two things I'd like to address here. The first is that Jesus demonstrated an equally narrow interpretation of Genesis 2:24. In Matthew 19:5, Jesus quotes this passage, clearly using the singular word forms. Man, woman, both are singular, and on top of that, He says, "the TWO shall become one flesh." Now, regarding what we can and can't conclude about people's marital states as recorded in the Bible. We know that Joseph married Mary. The Bible tells us that. But the Bible does not tell us that Joseph married anyone else. It does not tell us that he didn't marry anyone else. But what does that tell us? That Joseph married Mary. To assume anything beyond that is just that - an assumption. When I say that we shouldn't assume one way or the other about what is not specifically stated about Joash, this does not mean that I am claiming we Should assume things not stated about others. It is most certainly not the logical consequence of my view. Love in Christ, Mark |
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255 | Does God endorse polygamy? | 1 Kin 11:3 | mark d seyler | 175556 | ||
Hugh, Since the passage regarding Joash does not state that his wives were simultaneous, this passage cannot be used to prove that God condones polygamy. Jehoiada could have just as easily given Joash 1 wife first, then the next after she died. If you have to assume one or the other, it does not prove your point. Mark |
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256 | Does God endorse polygamy? | 1 Kin 11:3 | mark d seyler | 175525 | ||
Hi Hugh, Considering the straightfoward aspect of Gen. 2:24 "he shall cleave to his wife", I would look for very specific Scriptures before I sought to modify that directive. "He" and "wife" are both singular, therefore I do not think God is saying, for instance, "they shall cleave to their wives". With this as a starting point, we work our way through Scripture, looking at all God has to say about marraige. When we come to Joash, we read that he had two wives, and that he is declared to have done everything right. So unless the Bible says one way or the other, if I would to make an assumption of whether these wives were simultaneous or not, I will refer to God's first directive on marraige, that it is between on man and one woman, and I would assume that Joash was married to one at a time, and that his first wife died, or left him through no fault of his own, or some such. There were many in the Bible who were married to more than one woman at once, but it is not said of them that they did everything right. I would maintain that the passage lacks any information regarding the timing of his wives. Where the Scripture is silent, we should not add to it to support our view. You mention Lot. He is declared righteous, but not because his works were all righteous. I hope this clarifies how I look at these Scriptures. Love in Christ, Mark |
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257 | Does God endorse polygamy? | 1 Kin 11:3 | mark d seyler | 175523 | ||
Hi Hugh, That's very interesting! Do you know if the Scripture anywhere states that Joash was married simultaneously to these two women? Rather than, say, he had married one, she died, then he married the next? Love in Christ, Mark |
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258 | Woman who marrys divorcee an adultress? | Matt 19:9 | mark d seyler | 175518 | ||
Hi CDBJ, Well, I can't wait to see what the "trick" is, but here goes. . . Only if they want to be within God's will. How did I do? Love in Christ, Mark |
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259 | The serpents curse | Gen 3:15 | mark d seyler | 175411 | ||
This is a very interesting Scripture to understand. I wonder whether we follow a consistant hermeneutic in interpreting it. Genesis 3:14-15 (14) And Jehovah God said to the serpent, Because you have done this, you are cursed above all beasts, and above every animal of the field. You shall go on your belly, and you shall eat dust all the days of your life. (15) And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her Seed; He will bruise your head, and you shall bruise His heel. This curse seems to be directed to both a snake, and the devil. We know Satan is called "that ancient serpent" in Revelation 20:12, and refered to as the serpent elsewhere as well. But we don't generally understand that Satan crawls on his belly on the ground, eating dust. We reserve that for snakes. So we commonly understand God to be cursing snakes as well as the devil. But then the LORD addresses the serpent, and speaks of "her seed" and "your seed". This would seem to go beyond snakes, and appears to be the first prophecy of the Redeemer. "He shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise His heel." "He will cause you major hurt, and you will cause Him minor hurt," is how I often hear this interpreted. But what about this thing of the seeds? If we understand that "her seed" refers to a specific person, why would we not then understand "your seed" refering to a specific person? Or to put it the other way, if we understand "your seed" to refer to a catagory of people, why would we not understand "her seed" to equally refer to a catagory of people? What other Scriptures provide us with information on either the seed of the serpent, or the seed of the woman? What are your thoughts? Love in Christ, Mark |
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260 | rapture or tribulation? | Bible general Archive 3 | mark d seyler | 175377 | ||
Hi Timmy68, There is one other point I would like to offer. 1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Assuming you consider these passage to be speaking of the same event, the trumpet sounded is called the "trump of God." According to Rev 8:13 "And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!" these are not the "trumpets of God", they are the "trumpets of the angels". Love in Christ, Mark |
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