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221 | eph 1:4-5 what is predestination, chosen | Bible general Archive 3 | stjohn | 185401 | ||
Hi CDBJ ! Maybe not Scriptural, but I like it, God bless, John |
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222 | eph 1:4-5 what is predestination, chosen | Bible general Archive 3 | stjohn | 185417 | ||
Dear Hobbs, I'm not sure what you are talking about? And please know my heart, as it was not my intent to offend. I think the Scripture you are talking about was directed to CDGJ in response to a discussion you were having with him. I was not addressing that issue. I just didn't agree with the one statement that you made in that the pursuit of truth is the most important thing we can do. This is what I think is the most important thing we can do. Mark 16:15 "Go into all the world and preach the good news to all creation." This is what I was leading to when I was so graciously interrupted. And I know full well, that the pursuit of truth is very Important, or how could we indeed preach the gospel. It is most unfortunate, that you have chosen to assume I intentionality omitted a response. I am very sorry that you and doc have chosen to see me as divisive or impetuous, as this most assuredly is not my intent. Nor is it my intent to elevate myself to some lofty position as sage of the SBF as I have been indirectly accused of. And, I believe I could well redirect your redirection. 1 Pet 1:22 "Since you have in obedience to the truth purified your souls for a sincere love of the brethren, fervently love one another from the heart," It is I who am truly sorrowful that my brothers choose to see me as other then a fellow in Christ. The disappointment is mine my friend. If you will recall I have treated you with respect in the past. God Bless. John p.s. I am oh so sorry for my incredibly rude interruption. |
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223 | eph 1:4-5 what is predestination, chosen | Bible general Archive 3 | stjohn | 185423 | ||
Dear Hobbs, Thank you! your brother, John |
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224 | eph 1:4-5 what is predestination, chosen | Bible general Archive 3 | stjohn | 185424 | ||
Hello doc, I appreciate your wanting to have a discussion on election. Thank you for your interest in my view on this subject. I believe that the Bible does not teach election as we know it, and that this can be a danger to proper understanding. I would rather prefer the term adoption. Election implies merit or worth. there is only one place in scripture that I can find that the term really fits that is Titus 1:1 "Paul, a servant of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ God's elect." KJV. Jesus being the only one worthy to elect. God bless. John |
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225 | eph 1:4-5 what is predestination, chosen | Bible general Archive 3 | stjohn | 185432 | ||
Hi Hobbs! I honestly don't understand your question. Faith is indeed a gift as it is specifically listed as one. And we can refuse a gift if we choose to. This to me is an axiom. Were is doctrine needed? unless one wishes to debate philosophically, like the theorem that motion is impossible mathematically, if you divide your journey by half the calculations go to infinity. But, we know it is not so because we can see motion. We are chosen/elected for sure but we can refuse God. another problem that election cannot clear up is that God has made it clear, that His will is that none should parish, election theorem has not cleared this up sufficiently for me. How and why this works I don't know and I don't think that they know ether. So this is why it is sufficient for me, for now, to pursue other teaching that the bible has to offer. Such as apologetics i.e. how can I explain to the lost world why I believe what I believe, this will help me with what I believe should be our prime objective. i.e. Spread the Gospel to the lost sinners of the world. Here are some verses. Prov 1:29 Because they hated knowledge And did not choose the fear of the LORD. Is 7:16 "For before the boy will know enough to refuse evil and choose good, the land whose two kings you dread will be forsaken. Is 7:15 "He will eat curds and honey at the time He knows enough to refuse evil and choose good. God bless. John |
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226 | eph 1:4-5 what is predestination, chosen | Bible general Archive 3 | stjohn | 185434 | ||
Hello Doc! And thanks! Here is a quote from a post of mine to brother Hobbs. I hope it will better explain my position. " We are chosen/elected for sure but we can refuse God. another problem that election cannot clear up is that God has made it clear, that His will, is that none should parish, election theorem has not cleared this up sufficiently for me. How and why this works, I don't know, and I don't think that they know ether. So this is why it is sufficient for me, for now, to pursue other teaching that the bible has to offer. Such as apologetics. i.e. how can I explain to the lost world why I believe what I believe, this will help me with what I believe should be our prime objective. i.e. Spread the Gospel to the lost sinners of the world." Ok, thats part of it, also I'm interested in eschatology, given the condition of things today, there is much that a person looking for answers can be helped with, having a good understanding of prophesy is very important to me. I have read the Bible through at least four times since my conversion just before the turn of the century still wet behind the ears but a very quick student. And have spent many hours, up to seven or eight a day on specific parts, 1cor is particularly interesting. I am currently attending bible study at least one hour a day. And by the way Doc I do have a better understanding of how redemption and regeneration and (adoption) works then it would appear from my use of the word, it was not the right word. I am quite good at making toughs kind of mistakes, as this word thing is relatively new to me, I seriously had not written more then 12 pages of any thing in my life up till the year 2000 (See my user profile for more info.) Also mildly dyslexic concentration is critical. I can so agree with John Gresham Machen, amen to that Brother, I am a student of human nature, so I can understand the new guy not being trusted, and am learning to be quick to forgive. I hold a honorary P.H.D. from whatsamatta U. the school of hard knocks. It is my intent to assuage mistrust. But I know that this sometimes takes time and many apologies, a heartfelt thanks for yours by the way. God Bless. John |
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227 | HasFaith is given to all universally? | Bible general Archive 3 | stjohn | 185446 | ||
Good greetings WOS ! I think I can see your point. But, we can apply logic, to moral values, and make a decision, by using common sense. Or put it another way, it is logical to use our moral values to help us make a decision, and thats good common sense. Moral values are learned, and common sense is considered innate. I think that I probably didn't make myself too clear in my last post. Sometimes I think I'm doing really well, but when I read it again later I'm like... Huh? I hope this clears it up. As far as your two questions go: "Logically, if you stick "my" hand in the fire, you know that “I'll” get burned, common sense right?" yes. Common sense would tell us that is logical. "What is it that keeps you from wanting to put my hand in the fire?" I don't know you that well, maybe I do. ;-) Seriously tough....... I would certainly hope that my conscience would allow my moral values to help me make a decision not to. I wouldn't want that on my conscience. And thats good common sense. Also, it just wouldn't be very nice. Now would it? Good moral values make sense, good common sense. Hope that was worth 2-cents ;-) God Bless. John |
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228 | HasFaith is given to all universally? | Bible general Archive 3 | stjohn | 185459 | ||
Hello Hobbs! Warm greetings brother. Sorry about that. I was just answering some questions. And, I think some of them were yours my friend. If there was a question here in. I suppose, the answer would be, yes, I believe in predestination. God bless. John |
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229 | HasFaith is given to all universally? | Bible general Archive 3 | stjohn | 185469 | ||
Hello Hobbs! And again, warm greetings to a brother in Christ. Amen. It is indeed, all too easy to lose track. Brother may I say humbly, that the more important thing, is to see the message there in Acts 4, is that they were proclaiming the good news of Jesus Christ, and His resurrection. For after-all, isn't that what we are all to do? Are we not to be filled with the Spirit of God, and with power, preach the good news of the hope in our salvation, by the Blood shed for the world, "for God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten son." For our sins, and for all who might come to Him. Acts 4:33 And with great power the apostles were giving testimony to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and abundant grace was upon them all. Brother, I was drawn into this debate because I attempted to point out a simple truth, that although the study of God's Word is very important, and that cannot be stressed enough, there is at least something more important, and that is Proclaiming that truth. God bless. John |
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230 | A church that does not practice tongues | Bible general Archive 3 | stjohn | 185519 | ||
Hello God's-elect ! Very good point, amen brother. But, and not to upstage you, but add to your statement, I heard someone arguing that 1cor. 14:34-35, does not ring true because of cultural historical differences, But 1Tim 3:1-2 is hard to debate, as it is very hard for a woman to justify having a wife, or for her to call herself a husband. :o) 1 Tim 3:1 It is a trustworthy statement: if any man aspires to the office of overseer, it is a fine work he desires to do. 2 An overseer, then, must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, temperate, prudent, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, And may I say brother I agree with you. But you may want to tone down a little, I've been warned about this myself. Hate to see you get ousted brother. |
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231 | A church that does not practice tongues | Bible general Archive 3 | stjohn | 185525 | ||
Any time brother, peace, John |
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232 | A church that does not practice tongues | Bible general Archive 3 | stjohn | 185711 | ||
hello brother Tim; I don't think its all that efficacious, to discus such a controversial Subject on the forum, But, I will attempt to do so as kindly as my limited ability will allow. as I think this has truly gotten out of hand in some circles. I can see that you want to stand up for the rights of toughs who do speak tongues, and I sympathize With you. I hope that is your heartfelt intention, and I think it is. Hear is an excerpt commentary form Matthew Henry, on 1Cor 13:1 I would appreciate very much for you to please consider. ... V.1 Could a man speak all the languages on earth, and that with the greatest propriety, elegance, and fluency, if he could talk like an angel, and yet by without clarity, it would be all empty noise, mere unharmonious and useless sound, that would neither profit nor delight. It is not talking freely, nor finely, nor learnedly, of the things of God, that will save ourselves, or profit others. The apostle first sites this gift because the corinthians seemed to value themselves and not their brethren. Many today think that speaking in unintelligible language is some how to be construed as speaking in the voices of angels, but whenever an angel is encountered in the Bible, they are understood Very clearly, and very precisely. Now if I may, lets Please look at v.11-12 v.11 When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish things behind me. v.12 Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know even as I am fully known. Here is another excerpt from M.H. "Such is the difference between earth and heaven. what narrow views, what confused notions of things, have children when compared with grown men!" I believe Paul, in a very gentle way was encouraging them to simply grow up. c.14 v.20 Brothers stop thinking like children. In regard to sin be as infants, but in your thinking be adults. v.23 So if the whole church comes together and everyone speaks in tongues, and some who do not understand or some unbelievers come in, will they not say that you are out of your mind? This verse speaks for itself. And may I say that It does not take the whole church to convince an unbeliever that the whole church is out of its mind. And may I ask? .... How does this honor God, if his will is that none should parish, that the unbelieving lost sinners of the world, think we are crazy? God bless. John |
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233 | A church that does not practice tongues | Bible general Archive 3 | stjohn | 185751 | ||
Hello Tim, Thank you brother, That is, sort of, what I was referring to when I said I thought you wanted to defend their right, sorry, I was not clear on that one. It is hard to be explicit in a small space, and say all that is on ones mind. (that would be 'alleged' mind in my case) ;-) In any event, I do support your position, And you have said it very clearly, all very well, and supported by scripture. And I can certainly appreciate wanting to keep it scriptural, as mere opinion can sometimes be quite tainted by emotion. Thank you. Now having said that, I would appreciate very much everyones consideration of the following. This has been a subject that I have spent many hours in pryer, meditation, supplication, and study. Early on, as I had only been a Christian a very short time, I was involved in a church that practiced tongues, among other questionable things. This was a very difficult time for me. I wanted to be in God's will, and do the things that they were trying to teach me, but the more I looked at all these issues it became more clear that it was not scriptural. They told me that if God had not moved on me with the gift to speak in tongues, that I should just practice making sounds on my own, and God would then guide me, and His Spirit would take over if I made the first effort. Hmm, I had to think that one over. So, to the Bible for guidance, I had no-wear else to run. And they would say, oh, so, confidently, don't be afraid, we were afraid at first too! And that small voice was saying, " If you take it, its not a gift!" "Be careful my son." They tried also teach me that I should go up front an get slain in the Spirit, Just giving it all up to God. This would give me the confidence I needed to trust God, and start practicing my pryer language, (Tongues). Hmm, Were could I find that in Scripture? Back to the Bible I went. Were else? Also they would say things like," you know John, of course because we are born again, and the Spirit of God lives in you, your spirit and the Holly Spirit, are one, your spirit, cannot be possessed by a demon",... (man, thats good news! .. right?)... "But." ... "However;" ... "One could, for-instance, ... live in your big toe!" (I AM NOT MAKING THIS UP!) And was told, that we all needed to see a faith healer from time to time to have the little fellows cast out, they called it, deliverance, hmmm, sounds like the name of a bad movie. OK; Back to tongues, I believe, that this (pryer language) is given to some. I also believe, that probably ninety nine, out of an hundred, do not have it!! The ones that I have known, that I believe have truly been given this gift,... add up to one. And she would do it in privet, and never in a worship service, as she believed it would be disruptive, and not edify anyone but herself. Hows that for scriptural? 1 Cor 14:1 Pursue love, yet desire earnestly spiritual gifts, but especially that you may prophesy. 2 For one who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God; for no one understands, but in his spirit he speaks mysteries. 3 But one who prophesies speaks to men for edification and exhortation and consolation. 4 One who speaks in a tongue edifies himself; but one who prophesies edifies the church. And one thing we can consider in Paul's teaching, is that it was very common in toughs days, to have someone at a gathering that just didn't speak the same language. hmm. So, this was a woman, who had many, inconceivably horrible events happen in her life. And I believe God Had given to her this pryer language to comfort her, as it would be a way for her to forget, and just have sweet fellowship with our Lord. Not 'very' Scriptural I know, much hear-in is my tainted opinion. May I say this, I still have fellowship with the people in that church, I love them all very much. I just don't go for sunday service. 1 Cor 12:23 and those members of the body which we deem less honorable, on these we bestow more abundant honor, and our less presentable members become much more presentable, 24 whereas our more presentable members have no need of it. But God has so composed the body, giving more abundant honor to that member which lacked, 25 so that there may be no division in the body, but that the members may have the same care for one another. Let us therefore 'not' forsake fellowship, and be graceful to all. God bless. John |
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234 | A church that does not practice tongues | Bible general Archive 3 | stjohn | 185755 | ||
Hello mark, aah, I think that is what I was saying. Trying to at least. Maybe read it again without assuming that I am against speaking in tongues? Thanks for the insight by the way. But your preaching to the choir! God bless, John |
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235 | A church that does not practice tongues | Bible general Archive 3 | stjohn | 185766 | ||
Amen my brother! I am grateful to our Lord that your wife Has been given this wonderful gift! And what a mysterious wonder it it is! Thank you Tim. God bless. John |
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236 | eph 1:4-5 what is predestination, chosen | Bible general Archive 3 | stjohn | 185767 | ||
Hello Apollos, Warm greetings brother! The thief on the cross never heard the gospel, at least scripture doesn't say. Maybe like the old testament saints that believed God? Maybe something like a credit plan? :-) God bless. John |
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237 | eph 1:4-5 what is predestination, chosen | Bible general Archive 3 | stjohn | 185786 | ||
Hello Doc, This one sentence has helped me very much. you wrote. "I think that the ordo is mainly a pedagogical devise." We all have different needs, according to our particular position that life circumstances has dealt to us. I have had a difficult time convincing others that I was saved before I knew that it was Jesus doing the saving. the Holly Spirit led me to Jesus. different "ordo salutis" Thanks Doc! God Bless. John |
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238 | eph 1:4-5 what is predestination, chosen | Bible general Archive 3 | stjohn | 185800 | ||
Hi Hobbs, Yup, that right. God bless. John |
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239 | eph 1:4-5 what is predestination, chosen | Bible general Archive 3 | stjohn | 185820 | ||
Amen brother Apollos! I have thought About this too. The saints of the old Testament were obviously saved, without knowing Jesus, but they did have the Gospel. i.e. The knowledge of the coming of the Kinsman redeemer spoken of by God, way back in Genesis. Does that help any? God bless. John |
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240 | eph 1:4-5 what is predestination, chosen | Bible general Archive 3 | stjohn | 185826 | ||
Thank you Apollos, Good questions all of them, hear is something else to look at. I'm not saying you need to you seem to have a very good understanding of scripture. but look at this please. Josh 6:25 However, Rahab the harlot and her father's household and all she had, Joshua spared; and she has lived in the midst of Israel to this day, for she hid the messengers whom Joshua sent to spy out Jericho. Heb 11:31 By faith Rahab the harlot did not perish along with those who were disobedient, after she had welcomed the spies in peace. James 2:25 In the same way, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out by another way? And, we can see as humans, God's work in creation by way of general revelation, i.e. The heavens declare His glory! Maybe for some that is enough? God and His Great Mercy? I don't have the answer for sure. I know this tough, I'd rather be standing before The almighty God. Never having heard the Word, then someone that did and did nothing about it. God bless. John |
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