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21 | What is preaching Christ? | John 7:17 | mitchm0521 | 167439 | ||
Thank you for bringing scripture before me! Thats why I'm here, I'm eager to discuss the Word of God, so lets get started, and if I miss anything, please let me know. I want to answer all of it. Ok, my point about hospitals is this. If someone thinks that at times God decides someone should have a terrible ilness, and at times he decides that a person should die of a sickness. Then why would we want that person to go the hospital? I believe God does not want men to look at pornography. So I will do everything in my power to make sure its not even an option in my country. I don't even want it on pay per view, or in 'adults only' stores. I don't want it anywhere, because the will of God, is to not have that sin in my nation. So if it is God's will that some people are sick, then if a person believes that, they should never seek medical treatment, because as they think, God will either heal them, or he will not. Also, they should support things like abortion, because maybe God wanted that little child to be pulled limb from limb from their mothers womb. ( Thats absurd isn't it? ) But think about it, is it really God's will that 5000 children a day are killed in abortion, or is it his will for those who get all their skin burned off in a house fire? If a person thinks that sometimes God sends sickness to teach someone a lessson,then I'm simply saing they should praise God for those things, and be happy when their children have the same thing, as well as they should want to see all hospitals shut down, because those hositals might be treating someone, that God wants to die. As for trials, well I can say that in this life we are tried and tested. But I find no scripture that says we are tried by God. Can you? I've yet to find a scripture that says God sends the trial, you could think that at times he has to allow it, because he has made himself dependent on our faith at times, but I see no scripture which says he sends those trials. I believe that there may come a time where I could suffer for Christ, such as being persecuted for my beleive in Jesus, martyred ( spelling sorry ) or put in prison, I understand those things happen, and I would rejoice in those things. But nowhere do we see that sickness and disease are part of our suffering do we? Thats what I see in this passage of Scripture, yes it talks of suffering, but again I ask, where does scritpure say that suffering is sickness and disease. I don't care if they lock me up in prison, God will deliver me out of that wont he? I dont care if they stone me to death, I look up into heaven and see JEsus standing at the right hand of the Father. I'm simply saying, suffering is because of God, because of what I believe, and what people don't want me to belive, not from God. As Romans 8:23 points out, there is still a final redemption for our bodies, when Christ comes back, I will then take on complete imortatility. Luke 21:28 points out that our redemption will come. We then, will be totally redemmed from even persecutions at that point. So what I'm saying brother, is that nowhere in scripture does God send sickness on his children. It might happen in judgement, for those who are disobedient, but God had already made sure there was a way they never had to go through it. God Bless, Mitch |
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22 | What is preaching Christ? | John 7:17 | mitchm0521 | 167441 | ||
Joke at me all you want, I don't mind. I am saying he has no authority in that prayer, because God wont answer a prayer thats not based upon his Word, and that would harm another person would he? As for persecuted for getting a 100 fold return, Jesus said that in Mark 10:30 Mitch |
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23 | What is preaching Christ? | John 7:17 | mitchm0521 | 167446 | ||
I didn't even quote the scripture Brother, I just referenced it to you. Hard to misquote something you didn't type out. And yes, it says 'with persecutions' He is saying that you will recieve persectuions while you are recieving a hundredfold return on what you have given up. Everything else listed is what was given up, and you are getting 100 fold in return. If you are correct, and Jesus is not saying that persecutions are coming because of the 100 fold return, then wouldn't we in the previous verses have to have listed that we gave up houses and children adn lands and persecutions? How does a man give up persecutions for Jesus sake? So he has to be talking here, that we will recieve persecution, becuause of the 100 fold. So we recieve the persectuions, because with the 100 fold, and since I am living in 100 fold return, and I'm persecuted because of my faith in it, I'd have to say that Jesus was right :) God Bless |
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24 | What is preaching Christ? | John 7:17 | mitchm0521 | 167447 | ||
You are right brother, the differnce we have, is that I believe something is the will of God, and you believe that to not be true and vice versa. But of course, there is one truth, so we can't sit back and say lets agree to disagree. That would be a bad statement don't you think? God Bless, Mitch |
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25 | What is preaching Christ? | John 7:17 | mitchm0521 | 167452 | ||
I'm sorry if you think Im being short with you. I'm just saying either bring scripture to me, as my brother Mark did, or you won't get any response out of me. If you are done with the topic, thats fine. I apologize if I came across as being short, that was not my intention, simply I just meant to get my point across that I have been backing up what I preach, and have gotten litten scripture if any in return from you. God Bless, Mitch |
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26 | What is preaching Christ? | John 7:17 | mitchm0521 | 167453 | ||
I'm sorry brother, but I don't fully understand your question. Could you rephrase it? | ||||||
27 | What is preaching Christ? | John 7:17 | mitchm0521 | 167454 | ||
I abide completely by the rules. I have told BradK that my intention was not to be short. As for what Spurgeon said, I've little interest. I'm here to discuss scripture, not other preachers. I haven't even sat around and quoted men I listn to, I've quoted Almighty God. You wont see me saying well Kenneth Copeland once said, or whoever once said. I'm giving scripture, and expecting that in return. I ask the same from you in return. AS to breaking the guidelines, please show me where and when I did that, so I can correct it. Mitch |
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28 | What is preaching Christ? | John 7:17 | mitchm0521 | 167455 | ||
The KJV adds words that aren't there all the time. Thats what the italics are :) But I agree, you can't just add in words to fit what you want it to say. However, I'm saying that from the way it reads, it means that you will recieve persectuion with the 100 fold return. I'm saying just that, a person who recieves 100 fold will with that 100 fold, recieve persecutions. If thats not what you think, what do you believe it is saying? | ||||||
29 | What is preaching Christ? | John 7:17 | mitchm0521 | 167456 | ||
We fully agree on that it seems. There is one truth, and we should all come to the same understanding of the Scriptures. However there may come a time when our conversation on the subject might need to cease, or at least, pause while we both spend time in prayer and meditating on the subject. But we have the same Holy Ghost, I've been baptized in the same Holy Ghost as you brother, I speak in tongues by the same spirit that you do.. so we can safely say that in time we will both have the same knowledge of the Word. God Bless, Mitch |
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30 | What is preaching Christ? | John 7:17 | mitchm0521 | 167458 | ||
If you think Jesus is only talking about literal mountains, then I'm not sure what to tell you other than I hope then that you beleive a Christian man could walk up to that literal mountain and tell it to move. However, I don't think he's being literal here. I mean can you actually measure faith like you measure a mustard seed? Or could we assume Jesus is using an illustration to make a grander point? Such as he did very often in parables? Mitch |
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31 | What is preaching Christ? | John 7:17 | mitchm0521 | 167462 | ||
You bring good points. Let me adress the issue of God being dependant upon our Faith. The Word says that God is not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentence. Well Paul says that we have to confess with our mouth the Lord Jesus in order to be saved. And the Word also says we must have faith in order to come to God ( Heb 11 ) If God was not dependent upon our belief in Him, then he could just make sure nobody went to Hell right? But he can't do that can he? He has to allow us to make the deicison to stand up in Faith and confess JEsus Christ is Lord. Thats what I'm saying when I say that God is dependent upon our Faith. And I never said God doesn't allow us to be tested, he allowed Job to be tested didn't he? I'm just saying, God doesn't do the testing, and he didn't send the test, and he wasn't the one who even brought up the idea of the test was he? Satan wanted to do it. And God allowed it, he had to, his laws are law brother. How many times in the Old Testament do we see God saying 'Fear Not' yet JOb was in great fear wasn't he? God had to allow the test, what reason, I'm not totally sure, but perhaps because Job feared, and God had said don't fear. As for sickness not being included, in Deu 28 the blessing and cursing are laid out, and the curse covers sickness. All they had to do was follow God, and listen to what he said, and keep his commands, and sickness would not come upon them. That extends to us today as well. So thats where scripture shows us that God does not send sickness and disease upon his children. Nowhere in scripture will you find that God sent sickness upon his children. Your passage from James is a wonderful one, and yes it does show that the prayer of faith will save the sick and the Lord will raise him up. This is a great passage because its God being able to extend himself as Jehova Rapha to those who aren't strong enough in their faith to believe for their own healing. There is nothing wronmg with going to the elders and letting them pray for you and anoint you. What I like about this Scripture is that it shows us that it is Gods will for EVERYONE to be healed. If it wasn't God's will for everyone to be healed, then why would we ever pray for them to be healed? We shoul dnever pray against the will of God. I think you might be a bit confused on something I"ve said, I've never meant to come across as saying that all sickness is because a person sinned. Good people have sickness too, because Satan brings it upon them. It all comes from him. Thats what I'm saying. It comes from him, and not from God. God Bless, Mitch |
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32 | What is preaching Christ? | John 7:17 | mitchm0521 | 167463 | ||
I believe here that Paul is simply pointing out that we are more in the same state Jesus was when he appeared to Marry and said don't touch me yet. He did not have his glorified body yet. And we don't have that body either. But someday we will have a glorified body. Anything less than God's best for us, is corruption. I don't see this passage as being a reason to think that we have to suffer sickness or disease. Its simply showing that yes, someday if the Lord tarries I will leave this earthly body untill the day of resurection. Mitch |
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33 | What is preaching Christ? | John 7:17 | mitchm0521 | 167504 | ||
Well if you think literal mountains can be moved. Good. So do I. Looks like we agree! I wasn't saying this scripture is a parable, but I am saying Jesus is not smiply saying that only that one particular mountain can be moved. He goes on to tell us that whatever we say we shall have. He is not limiting out authority to move that one mountain. And I'm glad you believe literal mountains can be moved. Looks like we agree on that! I'm simply saying, I seriously doubt I can measure faith in a beaker, or with any other instrument. So I know for a fact, Jesus wasn't being literal about that. | ||||||
34 | What is preaching Christ? | John 7:17 | mitchm0521 | 167505 | ||
Any doctor in this country can tell you that people die all the time without it being caused by sickness or disease. There have been plenty who get to a very old age, and they have no signs of sickness, they don't have arthritis, their mind is as good as when they were 20, they can still go outdoors and run and jog and keep up with the great grandkids, yet there comes a moment when the easiest way to describe it would be their heart just quits, its painless, its not sickness, and it doesn't mean God isn't the healer. What do you think Paul meant when he said he's stuck and can't decide if he should go on to be with the Lord, or stay on this earth and teach? Does that not show us that he believed he had the right to chose if he left this earthly body or not? What I"m saying, is that I will never die untill I am either martyed for the Lord Jesus Christ, or I'm an old old man and my ministry on this earth has come to an end, and I am ready to go home to heaven. Its hard for peole to concieve that you can die without being sick, they say 'well his heart stopped, that sounds like sickness to me. ' I understand that in essence, yes, your heart stopping, if you are not ready to go home to be with God, is a bad thing. But if you've run your race down here, you've lived the long life God promised you, and your work is through, thats the way to go. And like I said, unless I am martyed, thats the exact way I'll go. I'll know it beforehand, and I'll be ready. As for Jesus after his resurrection, I was simply stating that he had not yet been glorified. I wasn't saying he was a slave to anything. But was merely pointing out that even after his death and resurrection, there was still more for him to do before they could touch him. He had to present himself before the throne, and sprinkle his blood on the heavenly utensils of worship, and cleanse us all! Sorry for the confusion. Our Lord is enslaved to nobody, and neither are we! |
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35 | What is preaching Christ? | John 7:17 | mitchm0521 | 167506 | ||
First let me say I'm sorry you feel the need to have such... hostility towards me. I love you brother, let us discuss these issues with an open heart. I thought I had stated what I meant, and gave scripture for the statement that God has made himself dependant on our faith. Maybe I forgot to hit submit, but let me just reiterate it for you, in case it wasn't actually posted, and in which case, I apologize. 2 Peter 3:9 says that God is not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentence. Hebrews 11:6 says that without faith it is impossible to please God. Because in order to come to God we have to believe that he is and that he is the rewarder of them that diligently seek him. In other words, if you don't believe in God, and have no faith in God, you can't come to him and recieve the salvation that he wants every man to have. So, what I"m saying is just this. If God wants every man saved, what is keeping every man from being saved? Why did the rich man end up in hell? Why have all of us known someone that died without a relationship with Jesus Christ and in all probability wind up in hell? If God is able to save any man, wether or not he believes on the name of Jesus Christ, then it makes him a very unjust God to let people wind up in hell doesn't it? In other words, if God can make sure a man enters into heaven when he leaves this life, without the man having to do anything on his own to get in, ie without having to confess Jesus, and have no faith, then and only then would God be independent of a mans faith woudln't he? But since God is willing that none should perish, yet to have everlasting life you must have faith, for God to bring you into right standing with himself you must have faith, to please the Father you must have faith, that makes God pretty dependent on your faith in Him doens't it? Hope this cleared things up! Mitch |
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36 | What is preaching Christ? | John 7:17 | mitchm0521 | 167507 | ||
I've read the book of Job. Can you show me in there where God did those thigns to Job, or can you show me in that book where God allowed it to happen to Job? There is a huge difference that should be discovered between those two ideas. Also, I do take the 'WOF' as you call it teachings and prove them in light of the entire Word, not only that, but as the Word says, these teachings that many despise, are being proven daily in the lives of many believers. The Lord is working with me and many other preachers confirming his Word with many signs and wonders following. So since the Word backs up what they teach, and since the works back up what they teach, I have no reason to doubt it. And there have been little comment on my comments about hospitals. I would assume its because nobody can say anything about them. Its true, if you think sickness is from God, and you support hospitals, then you are very likely helping someone get healed, that God wants dead. God Bless, Mitch |
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37 | What is preaching Christ? | John 7:17 | mitchm0521 | 167508 | ||
Is there something in the text that shows that persecution comes with it and not because of it? At any rate if it comes because of the 100 fold, or with it, is it not the same? If I am living in 100 fold, I should expect to be persecuted correct? Isn't that what we are both saying? |
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38 | What is preaching Christ? | John 7:17 | mitchm0521 | 167509 | ||
I think suffering comes upon us, simply because Satan hates us. I would have to assume Satan hates the entire human race. I think we could all agree with that. And in hating us, he worked a plan that caused Eve to be decieved and Adam to transgress. That brought death into this entire planet. Can we agree that sickness and disease were not in the Garden untill the fall of man? Or do you think God designed Adam in order to at times, give him cancer, or some other form of disease? As for God allowing suffering in our lives, I believe he has to allow it at times, obvisouly if I shoot myself, I'll get hurt wont I? But he did say in Isaiah that no weapon formed against me can prosper. So whats the deal with that? Is it a contradiction, or could it possibly be that if I am walking in the Word of God, and keeping his commands, that God will then be able to extend his protection over me? I believe that is the case, otherwise, God would be a respecter of persons to be doing all the wonderful things he is doing in my life, yet force someone else to live in poverty and have no home, must less a beautiful home as God has blessed with me. And we know from Scripture, God is no respecter of persons. As for the blessings and cursings, yes I believe we can live in the blessings from the Old Testament, I don't think we have to live in Israel, but hey, maybe we can stand on the Word and say that its our land too! YOu'd have to take that before God. But if we look at all those wonderful blessings in Deuteronomy, why would God not extend those to us? Hebrews says we have a better covenant, established upon better promises! Glory to God brother, better promises! If they had healing, we have that too, and better things that that. Our covenant would not be better than theirs, if they were able to repent and get back in line with God and have no sickness, but we are forced to live in it. So my view is basically this, God does not send sickness or disease upon his children, it happens, because the devil wants to hurt all of humanity. He wants to destroy it. The Word says he comes to kill steal and destroy. But God, has made a way of escape for those who will call upon him. Because the Word says "Whosoever will call upon the name of the Lord shall be healed! ( delivered , saved ) Glory to God Brother, that sounds good to me, doesn't it you? Mitch |
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39 | What is preaching Christ? | John 7:17 | mitchm0521 | 167520 | ||
I know faith can be measured, but you can't measure it like you measure a mustard seed. Thats all I'm saying there, you say he only means literal mountains, then why don't you say he means litterally measuring your faith like you measure a seed? I am sorry to hear about your loss, and I am even more sorry to hear that you believe it was not God's will to heal your son. I never said God is a magical lamp either. I simply say that whatever his will is, thats what I want in my life. And healing is his will. AGain, I am sorry for the loss of your son, I hope that in time you are emotionally healed from that experience, and realize God did not take him, satan is the one who kills steals and destroys. God Bless you brother, Mitch |
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40 | What is preaching Christ? | John 7:17 | mitchm0521 | 167521 | ||
Death is an enemy brother, and it shall be totally destroyed. ( 1 Cor 15:26 ) | ||||||
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