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21 | Cain and Seth's wives descended from who | Genesis | Sctt | 44813 | ||
Hi Emmaus the law was in place it is the tree of knowledge of good and evil. In Christ Scott. | ||||||
22 | time | Acts 1:3 | Sctt | 44811 | ||
Hi Tim Da.8:14 4And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed. Reads Unto two thousand and three hundred evening(ereb)and morning(boqer). Gen.1:5 And the evening and the morning were the first day. or the evening(ereb)and the morning(boqer) were the first day.Now if you say that the evening and the morning in Da.8:14 is evenings and mornings you also have to say that the evening and the morning in Gen.1:5 is evenings and mornings because they have the same meanings (ereb) and (boqer).No matter how you look at it the day is much more then 24hrs. As I have already said God showed me that I was putting a limit of time on Him by making a day a thousand years,you to fall into this error by making a day a 24hr day. When we make the day in Gen.1:5 a 24hr day we are making Gods word conform to our idea of what a day is instead of comforming to Gods idea of a day is. Which no man can tell for God dwells without time. Also remember that the sun,moon and stars were not created till the forth day,and that these were given for days ,seasons,years etc.now because these were not given till the forth day this shows us that God did not look at a day as 24hrs or He would have created them on the first day. to me this is a clear statement that God did created the days in His time and not our understanding of time. Therefore if you make it a 24hr day you make God dwell in time and we know that He does not,for He is timeless.I hope youcan see my meaning because as God is timeless we cannot restrict Him to the time it took to create the world. If it took Him 10,000,000yrs to Him it would be but a day.God bless,you brother in the Lord Scott |
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23 | time | Acts 1:3 | Sctt | 44766 | ||
Hi Tim I'm not sure of your point with Dan. 8:14. Wouldn't 2,300 'evenings and mornings' be 2,300 days? The word days comes from the same word evening and morning in Gen1:5. so it would follow that if evening and morning is one day,then the evening and morning here is 2300years. If you use the word days as evenings and mornings are you not making the evening and morning in Gen.1:5 evenings and mornings as they come from the same Hebrew words evening (ereb)morning(boqer).If you do it would read ...And the evenings and the mornings were the first day.I hope I you can understand what i'm trying to say because sometime I have a hard time expressing my thoughts on paper.In Christ Scott. | ||||||
24 | time | Acts 1:3 | Sctt | 44706 | ||
Hi Tim heres a couple of other translation for concideration.The Jerusalem Bible But there is one thing,my friends, that you must never forget: that with the Lord,a day can mean a thousand years,and a thousand years is like a day. Interlinear Geek and English NT revised Standard Version and Zondervan Parallel NT Greek and English both read But this one thing let not be concealed from you,beloved that one day with the lord is as a thousand years and a thousand years as day one. Now this may not say that a thousand years is a day ,but it does show that God veiws time differant then we do. When I said that a thousand years was a day I was in error as I was making the same mistake I believe that those who say a day is a day and thats all it is ,is making.You cannot put a time limit on the why God looks at a day,it my be 24hrs,in one place,1000yrs in another,or even greater or lesser periods of time. Therefore when you state that a day is 24hrs in Gen. you are putting on God a time table that man relates to,not God. The word day come from the Hebrew word YOWM(stong's lexicon)Now for those that take yowm to be 24hrs in Gen. have to take it to be 24hrs in other books of the bible also.If you don't to my way of thinking you are only tring to make it fit with what you believe not to what the scriptures actualy say.It was because of the study of the word yowm that I seen my error in holding God to a thousand years, one day pricipal,but with God a day can be either longer or shorter then a thousand years,I for one will not hold Him to a thousand years much less a 24hr day. Here are some of the scriptures I came across to change my way of thinking.NU.20:15 How our fathers went down into Egypt, and we have dwelt in Egypt a long time(yowm); and the Egyptians vexed us, and our fathers:here we have a 400yr day. 1Sa.7:2And it came to pass, while the ark abode in Kirjathjearim, that the time(yowm) was long; for it was twenty years: and all the house of Israel lamented after the LORD.Here we have a 20yr day. 1Ki.11:42And the time(yowm) that Solomon reigned in Jerusalem over all Israel was forty years. 40yr day.1Ch.29:2727And the time(yowm) that he reigned over Israel was forty years; seven years reigned he in Hebron, and thirty and three years reigned he in Jerusalem.7year plus 33year day.There are others I could quote but this shoul be sufficent to show that no one knows how long a day is with God. Now lets look at evening and morning for in Gen.1:5 these two words make a day.You believe it to be 24hrs but read Da.8:14And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days(evening and morning); then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.Here we have a evening and morning that is 2300days.Do these not all show that a day(yowm)is 24hrs,and much more then 24hrs. Only God knows his time table and if we limit him by our understanding of time we do Him a great diservies by making Him conform to us and not us to Him.In Christ Scott |
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25 | time | Acts 1:3 | Sctt | 44437 | ||
Hi Tim you say Even if the Jews believed this, the issue is what does the Bible teach? First off we can learn alot about what the OT teaches from the Jews , because unto them it was given. It is in the NT that the Jews come to their greatest error,not believeing that Jesus Christ is the Massiah. Now saying this I'm not saying that they didn't have a wrong interpitation of the scriptures sometimes,they were men such as we ourselves are. You also write There are still two problems with this view. 1)That they are a similie. You state that it is a similie because it uses the word AS and you take it to mean LIKE, but whenever it is used with numeral the word signifies ABOUT. hos (5613) usually means “as.” Used with numerals it signifies “about,” e.g., Mark 5:13; 8:9; John 1:40; 6:19; 11:18; Acts 1:15; Rev. 8:1 W.E. Vine, Merrill F. Unger and William White, Vine’s complete expository dictionary of Old and New Testament words [computer file], electronic ed., Logos Library System, (Nashville: Thomas Nelson) 1997, c1996.So if you read 2Pet.3:8 with the word about instead of like this does away with the similie,and back up what the Jews believe conserning time. 2)You say that the other problem is that there are only two verses which even mention this tidbit! This may be so ,but if it was only mentioned once in the bible I would believe it. I have always found that if something is written in the OT you can find it in the NT , and vice versea.For the OT point to the NT and the NT refers to the OT.And when you find it in both the OT and the NT they become witnesses one of another , and no to better witnesses can I find. May the Blessings of God the Father, Christ the son,and the Holy Spirit be upon us all amen.Scott |
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26 | God forgive no matter what | 2 Cor 5:8 | Sctt | 44391 | ||
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27 | time | Acts 1:3 | Sctt | 44263 | ||
Hi Tim you say 2pet.3:8 is a similie but the jews took this as fact not as a similie I let John Gill explain this as had far greater access then I to what the Jews believed. But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing…Here the apostle addresses the saints he writes unto, and for whom he had a tender affection and regard, and for whose welfare he was concerned, lest they should be stumbled at the length of time since the promise of the coming of Christ was given, and which these scoffers object; and therefore he would have them know, observe, and consider this one thing, which might be of great use to them to make their minds easy, and keep up their faith and expectation of the coming of Christ: that one day (is), with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day; referring either to (Psalms 90:4) ; or to a common saying among the Jews,founded on the same passage, (Mynv Pla hb "qh) (lv wmwy) , "the day of the holy blessed God is a thousand years" F26; suggesting, that though between thirty and forty years had elapsed since the promise was given out that Christ would come again, and should even a thousand, or two thousand years more, run off, before the coming of Christ, yet this should be no objection to the accomplishment of the promise; for though such a number of years is very considerable among men, ye not "with God", as the Arabic and Ethiopic versions read, with whom a thousand years, and even eternity itself, is but as a day, (Isaiah 43:13) . Unless this phrase should be thought to refer, as it is by some, to the day of judgment, and be expressive of the duration of that: it is certain that the Jews interpreted days of millenniums, and reckoned millenniums by days, and used this phrase in confirmation of it. Thus they say F1, in the time to come, which is in the last days, on the sixth day, which is the sixth millennium, when the Messiah comes,for the day of the holy blessed God is a thousand years. And a little after, "the Lord hath created a new thing in the earth, a woman shall compass a man". This is in the time of the Messiah which is in the sixth day.And elsewhere F2, the sixth degree is called the sixth day, the day of the holy blessed God is a thousand years. And in that day the King Messiah shall come, and it shall be called the feast of gathering, for the holy blessed God will gather in it the captivity of his people. So they call the sabbath, or seventh day, the seventh millennium, and interpret F3 "the song for the sabbath day", (Psalms 92:1) title, for the seventh millennium, for one day of the holy blessed God is a thousand years. To which agrees the tradition of Elias, which runs thus F4; it is the tradition of the house of Elias, that the world shall be six thousand years, two thousand years void (of the law), two thousand years the law, and two thousand years the days of the Messiah; for they suppose that the six days of the creation were expressive of the six thousand years in which the world will stand; and that the seventh day prefigures the last millennium, in which will be the day of judgment, and the world to come; for the six days of the creation (they say F5) is a sign or intimation of these things: on the sixth day man was created; and on the seventh his work was finished; so the kings of the nations of the world (continue) five millenniums, answering to the five days, in which were created the fowls, and the creeping things of the waters, and other things; and the enjoyment of their kingdom is a little in the sixth, answerable to the creation of the beasts, and living creatures created at this time in the beginning of it; and the kingdom of the house of David is in the sixth millennium, answerable to the creation of man, who knew his Creator, and ruled over them all; and in the end of that millennium will be the day of judgment, answerable to man, who was judged in the end of it; and the seventh is the sabbath, and it is the beginning of the world to come. As to the word beyom: These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day (beyom) that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens.… Here day refers to the entire period envisioned in the first six days of creation W.E. Vine, Merrill F. Unger and William White, Vine’s complete expository dictionary of Old and New Testament words (computer file), electronic ed., Logos Library System, (Nashville: Thomas Nelson) 1997, c1996. In Christ Scott |
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28 | What was infused? | Acts 1:3 | Sctt | 44209 | ||
Hi Nimrod2 Just one more thought for concideration. Look at Alaska they have six months of day and six months of night.So you could say that their day was six months long. Just a thought, God bless. P.S. thanks for the help on this thread I realy had no idea it was such a hot topic. One thing I think everyone will agree on is that God in His own time and after His own fashion will reveal the truth of this matter to us all. In Christ Scott | ||||||
29 | What do you base this on? | Bible general Archive 1 | Sctt | 44205 | ||
Joe my analysis is not flawed , you take 2 verses and say this is talking about Satan , but the rest is talking about a man. You break up the flow of the scriptures to make them fit to you own interpitation of what they say. You also say go with what historically has been held by the church. read what Adam Clarke , Jamieson,Fausset,Brown and John Calvin have to say about these verses. You may be suprised just what the historical church held.In Christ Scott |
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30 | What was infused? | Acts 1:3 | Sctt | 44122 | ||
Hi Nimrod2 very well said.IN Christ Scott | ||||||
31 | How did sin originate | Bible general Archive 1 | Sctt | 44120 | ||
Hi kburgee look at my note to raven to see a differant view | ||||||
32 | How did sin originate | Bible general Archive 1 | Sctt | 44119 | ||
Hi Joe read my note to raven it explains my reasonong. | ||||||
33 | Year Long Sabbath | Acts 1:3 | Sctt | 44050 | ||
Hi Makarios I don't disagree ,but I think what Nimrod2 and I are trying to say is that a sabbath can be longer then just a day , as these scriptures show that a sabbath to be a year.I'm not saying this scripture relates to a sabbath day only that a sabbath can be longer then a day. In Christ Scott. | ||||||
34 | Year Long Sabbath | Acts 1:3 | Sctt | 43871 | ||
Hi Makarios , you write where in Leviticus 25:1-7 do you see any reference to a 'year long Sabbath'? Verse 3-4 seems plain to me , we are to work the land for six years ,but in the seventh year you are not to work the land as it is a sabbath for the Lord. Therefore you have a sabbath that last one year. In Christ Scott |
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35 | time | Acts 1:3 | Sctt | 43866 | ||
Hi Nimrod2 , thanks for name of the church fathers and biblical scholars who see it this way. its nice to know their are others who interpit the scriptures this way. Unusual name Nimrod2 any reason for it or is this to personal of a question? In Christ Scott | ||||||
36 | 24 hour days are based on what? | Gen 1:2 | Sctt | 43695 | ||
Hi Steve check my note to nimrod2.In Christ Scott | ||||||
37 | 24 hour days are based on what? | Gen 1:2 | Sctt | 43694 | ||
Hi Doug , I have been having the same discussion on another link called time. I'll give you a quick summery of the two differant opinions on the word day in Gen. 1 a day is 24 hrs and thats all it is. 2 a day with God can have an infinite numberand does not mean just 24 hrs. I'm of the 2nd opinion. If you would like to check it out type Acts 1:3 in the question/notes and then access the word time.In Christ Scott |
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38 | NEITHER POVERTY OR RICHES LEST I........ | Ecclesiastes | Sctt | 43636 | ||
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39 | time | Acts 1:3 | Sctt | 43617 | ||
Hi Tim welcome, 2Pet.3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day The King James Version, (Cambridge: Cambridge) 1769. You state that those that originaly read Gen. would not understand a principle not revealed until 2Pet. But I beleave the people of old did understand this princilpe,because Peter say be not ignorant of this one thing. Ignorant has this meaning 1. lanthano (2990), “to escape notice,” is translated “they (wilfully) forget” in 2 Pet. 3:5, rv, lit., “this escapes them (i.e., their notice, wilfully on their part),” kjv, “they willingly are ignorant of”; in v. 8, rv, “forget not,” lit., “let not this one thing escape you” (your notice), kjv, “be not ignorant of W.E. Vine, Merrill F. Unger and William White, Vine’s complete expository dictionary of Old and New Testament words [computer file], electronic ed., Logos Library System, (Nashville: Thomas Nelson) 1997, c1996. So they are told not to willfuly forget that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years,and a thousand years as one day.Now to willfully forget something would mean we had to know it to begin with. Now as conserning Jeremiah this was the priest and prophets and all the people that said unto Jeremiah thou shalt surely die. They said this because they didn't like what Jeremiah prophesied unto them. God keeps safe his own, and God was not done with Jeremiah. If it was God that said because you have prophisied falsely you are going to die ,well then goodbye Jeremiah. God keeps life and takes life as He sees fit,not as men do. As to Jonathan Saul would have killed him but the people withstood him,because God by Jonathans hand won the day. So you see it was because of God that Jonathan was not killed,for if God had allowed the battle to be lost Jonathan would have been killed by Saul,because the people would have thought that the battle was lost because Jonathan unnowingly went agaist Saul command. Now as you say it was a death sentance placed upon Adam this I can agree to ,but Adam still died before the 1000 years was up. Question: you take a litteral stance on day but when it come to the day of Adam death you take a spiritual stance. How come? As said before I take both a litteral and a spiritual stance. One more thought in Gen.2:4 it say These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens The King James Version, (Cambridge: Cambridge) 1769. Now these generations (all six days of Gods creative work)are said to be in the Day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens. Now if God says all six days of creation are a day whos to say how long a day realy is? In Christ Scott |
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40 | time | Acts 1:3 | Sctt | 43204 | ||
Hi Makarios I can see that you and Hank are of the same opinion this subject but you state that my theory of 1000 years as one day and one day as a 1000 years is proven wrong.Bear with me one more time as I try to make myself clear. God told Adam he would die in the day he ate of the fruit of the tree,you maintain this to be a spiritual death,I on the other hand maintain it to be both a spiritual death and a natural death.He died a spiritual death the moment he ate of the fruit of the tree , this was the beginning of that day, the beginning of the 1000 year day , but he also died within the 1000 years at 930 years of age. It was in this 1000 year day that Adam had his sons and daughters.Adam did not live past 1000 years of age so he in fact died a natural death before the day was over.Lets look at the word die it comes from the Hebrew word MUWTH and has this meaning 4191 muwth (mooth) a primitive root; TWOT - 1169; v AV - die 424, dead 130, slay 100, death 83, surely 50, kill 31, dead man 3, dead body 2, in no wise 2, misc 10; 835 GK - 4637 tWm 1) to die, kill, have one executed 1a) (Qal) 1a1) to die 1a2) to die (as penalty), be put to death 1a3) to die, perish (of a nation) 1a4) to die prematurely (by neglect of wise moral conduct) 1b) (Polel) to kill, put to death, dispatch 1c) (Hiphil) to kill, put to death 1d) (Hophal) 1d1) to be killed, be put to death 1d1a) to die prematurely Enhanced Strong’s Lexicon, (Oak Harbor, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc.) 1995. Nowhere here does it state anything about a spiritual death or seperation from God. If you take a litteral stance to the scriptures Adam had to die a natural death in the day he ate of the fruit of the tree,and as the bible does not lie , the 1000 year one day principle is the only alternative to what God said " for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die". The King James Version, (Cambridge: Cambridge) 1769. To take a day is a day and that is all it is is makeing God a liar,I cannot except this as God DOES NOT LIE. 2Pet.3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The King James Version, (Cambridge: Cambridge) 1769. Now as to Acts 17:26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation; The King James Version, (Cambridge: Cambridge) 1769.One blood. You say this is Adam , I beleave this to be Jesus Christ.May God bless you and I hope we can come together again and reason the scripures together. Your brother in Christ Scott. |
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