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21 | Are you refering to the thief ? | Matt 10:1 | McGracer | 54131 | ||
Andes, Technically, everyone is now born under the New Covenant dispensation. This is the age of grace. They enter into the benefits of the New Covenant by faith in Christ. While the thief on the cross' experienced bridged both the close of one covenant and the start of another, I find it foolish to argue that his experience is the "yardstick" by which we judge our salvation. The New Covenant, according to Hebrews, primarily has to do with the forgiveness of sins. Of course it entails other aspects as well. What really matters is not what happened to the thief (for we don't know exactly) but, rather, what will you do with Jesus Christ? The rest of the New Testament reveals the fullness of the gospel and what it entails. God does not tell us everything He knows. But He does reveal what we need to know. I'm sure I haven't answered your question to your satisfaction but I think I just saw a question about who Cain married that really needs to be answered. :) McGracer |
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22 | What is perfected for all time? | Matt 7:24 | McGracer | 54115 | ||
Joe, You wrote: "It does sound illogical. Doesn't it make more sense to say that we are in the process of becoming what God has declared us to be IN CHRIST?" Certainly it sounds illogical. It is illogical for me to be born dead in trespasses and sins. It is illogical that Christ would be punished for my sins. It is illogical that I, who deserve nothing but eternal separation from God get eternal life instead. Yet it is grace. This is not sarcasm, bro, but where do you see that we are DECLARED to be anything? Can you show me a verse in the NASB from the NT that says that God DECLARES us as anything? I understand the theological definition of justification to be "declared righteous in God's sight." The problem is that definition isn't found in the scripture is it, not as we interpret it anyway. What do I mean? When we say that God declares us as being righteous, we are saying that although we are truly righteous, God pretends to see us that way. This is a falsehood. Why? Because that would be like a judge having mercy on a criminal, saying to him, "I declare that you are righteous," and then releasing him. The criminal would not be righteous, he would simply be forgiven. Justice was not met in this case. The judge simply declared something that was not true. In our case, the judge (God) declares us righteous because we ARE righteous. Why? Because Christ was made sin on our behalf. When did this happen? At the cross. God does not DECLARE something that is not there. God first GIVES US the righteousness of Jesus Christ. There is an exchange. He took ALL of my sin. I get ALL of His righteousness. Now, at justification, when God declares me righteous, justice has been served. Christ took my death. I get His life. He took my sins. I have His righteousness. Therefore, God DECLARES me righteous because I am. For any just judge to declare a criminal righteous, that criminal must be either truly innocent or someone but bear the punishment. To insist that we are not the righteousness of Christ, insists that He did not take our sins. The problem with typical justification interpretation is that folks say, "God declared me righteous and now I am going to earn what I've been declared." This is backwards from the Christ-life. Grace living says, "God has made me righteous in spirit, I am going to live out what He has made me and let it become my experience. You wrote: "Did my comments on Paul saying you and I WERE justified in Romans 8 (written 1900 years ago) not make sense? I would like to hear your comments on why the Holy Spirit moved Paul to write that God justified us at a point when we hadn't been born yet." Because, as I have already said, in God's realm (not bound by time or space) things just ARE. Christ was slain from the foundation of the world. That's illogical, is it not? We are already seated with Christ in the heavenlies. That's quite illogical because I'm sitting here typing. So we have to decide whether we are going to believe in a God who may seem, from our viewpoint, illogical or whether we will just take Him at His Word. You may not agree with my viewpoint, but as long as you understand it, you can see why I say that many Christians are still wandering in the wilderness. The promised land is a place of rest. It is resting in Christ's finished work. God has already blessed us with EVERY spiritual blessing in the heavenly places (where we are also seated) in Christ. There is nothing more that we need except to believe it and learn to grow into what we already are. An apple does not become more of an apple as it matures. It simply grows into what it already is. McGracer |
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23 | Are you refering to the thief ? | Matt 10:1 | McGracer | 54114 | ||
Andes, I'm pressed for time also, so I'll reply to the first question and leave the rest for others. :) The New Covenant went into effect at the shedding of Christ's blood. Covenants require the shedding of blood to put them into effect. So the thief on the cross actually died AFTER the New Covenant went into effect. Jesus told him that He would be with him in Paradise that day and I'll leave all the rest for others to argue about. :) McGracer |
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24 | What is perfected for all time? | Matt 7:24 | McGracer | 54106 | ||
Joe, You wrote: "The view you hold seems to be that everything that Christ's death has accomplished has already been given to us at the moment of salvation." Yes, Joe, that is the view I hold. 2 Pet 1:3 - Seeing that His divine power HAS GRANTED (past tense) to us EVERYTHING pertaining to life and godliness, through the true knowledge of Him who called us by His own glory and excellence. But, could I make a stippulation here? This is how I would define it: In my spirit, where I am joined to God - 1 Cor 6:17 (yet distinct from Him i.e. I am NOT God, I am just in union with Him), these attributes (sanctification, holiness, righteousness, perfection, completeness) are ALREADY true. How could that Lord join Himself to me otherwise? Is is nothing that I have done, it is all HIS doing. It is by His doing that I am in His blessed Son. In my spirit, which is eternal, because I am joined to Him, I am as He is - 1 John 4:17 - "By this, love is perfected with us, so that we may have confidence in the day of judgment; because as He is, so also are we in this world." So ARE WE, Joe, HERE in THIS WORLD, not the next. Yet, at the same time, I realize that my soul is very much in the process of being sanctified, being made holy, being perfected, being cleansed, being made righteous. This is not an incongruity, it is a reality. I am becoming what I already am. I know, it sounds ludicrous, but it is not. It is called faith. The Israelites faced the same struggle and doubt when they first got to the promised land. It was already theirs. God had given it to Abraham and because they were his seed, his land was their land. All the needed to do was to put, in faith, put action to what was already true. But they didn't do it. Instead, they relied on their eye-sight and their experiences instead of God and His Word to them. God said, "It is already yours." They said, "Impossible. We are not there yet and we can't get there from here." As a result, that generation perished in the wilderness simply because of unbelief. Many Christians live the same way. All God's promises for abundant life, for holiness, for righteousness, for union with Jesus are all for "someday" - if not here, then when we get home. They come to Christ for the salvation He offers and then they spend the rest of their lives struggling to become what, in Him, they already are. In God's economy of faith, we become in action and attitude because we already are in constitution. You probably don't agree with this. That's okay. I can convince no one. That is His job. All I can do is to share. The New Testament says many things about us that our experience does not bear out. It says that we are citizens of heaven (Phil 3:20), that we have been washed, sanctified, justified (all past tense) (1 Cor 6:11). It says that we have already been made complete (Col 2:10). It says that we are already holy (Rom 11:6; Eph 4:24; Col 3:12; Heb 3:1; 1 Pet 2:9). It even says that we have been perfected for ALL time (Heb 10:14). It says that we are ALREADY seated with Him in the heavenlies (Eph 2:6). As long as we approach these truths from a fleshly view-point, we will remain, as the Israelites were, in unbelief and not enter His rest. We will be forever striving to become what He has already done in us in the spirit, eternal realm. I pray that you, brother, will enter the Sabbath-rest that remains for the people of God. The Sabbath-rest is not for "sinners". It is for saints who have grown tired of their own works and are fully trusting in His. Unless we learn to discern the difference between the spiritual realm that is not bound by time and the soul/body realm that is temporarily bound here, we will never "arrive." I become in experience what I already am. Experience said that the withered hand was permanent. God's realm proved that it was temporary. Experience said that Lazarus was permanently dead, resurrection was "someday". Jesus said, "Resurrection is today!" Experience said that Christ was permanently dead. The Spirit raised Him and said, "Not so." Don't be too quick to believe your eyes. We look not at the things that are seen, for the things that are seen are temporal (time-based). We look at the things that are NOT seen, for the things that are NOT seen (of God's spiritual realm) are ETERNAL (no beginning and no end). Spiritual things simply ARE because of the great I AM. May you grown in who you already are, brother Joe. McGracer |
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25 | What is perfected for all time? | Matt 7:24 | McGracer | 54084 | ||
Joe, Thanks for your well-thought out response. You may indeed be right. If I were to look at my experience and performance alone, I would have to conclude that I am not perfect because I still sin. If I were to look at the my condition alone, I would have to conclude that I am not yet glorified. And yet, if I were to look at my performance and experience, I wouldn't always conclude that I am justified, a new creation, born again, clothed with Christ, complete in Him, forgiven, holy, or even saved! So, to me, the question becomes, is my identity in Christ determined by what He did or by what I do (or what will happen to my body)? As you well know, there are many scriptures that speak of our sanctification in the past tense. There are also many that speak of it in the future tense. It is the same way with holiness. We are called holy. We are also told to be holy. I've found that most of the time, God's Word is quite clear and speaks for itself. If God says that I am already "perfected for all time", then I have a choice to believe it or to say that He doesn't mean what He says. If He says that I have already been glorified - Rom 8:30 - then I have the same choice. I must either look to my experience as the standard of truth or look to what He says. I may be naive, but I firmly believe that if God meant that our "perfection" was only future, He would have said so. Heb 10:14 would say, "For by one offering He WILL PERFECT WHEN WE DIE those whose are WILL THEN BE sanctified." I respectfully submit to you, brother, that this is NOT what it says. Nor does Heb 10:10 say, "By this will we WILL BE, WHEN WE DIE, SANCTIFIED through the DEATH OF YOUR BODY AT THAT TIME." I believe that these spiritual truths are NOT tied to the death of your body, but to the death and resurrection of HIS. It is our new birth in Christ that determines what we are, not our death. I'll close with this thought. I assume you believe that all men are born sinners, right? When are they made sinners? When they first sin? Is it their actions that make them sinners or is it their nature that makes them sin? I would contend that they sin BECAUSE they are ALREADY sinners. So when did you become everything that you are "in Adam"? When you are physically born. When do you become, in identity, everything that you are in Christ? Likewise, when you are born "again." Those who are in Adam do not become sinners when they die. Death does not determine identity. Birth does. Likewise, you do not become, in identity, holy, perfected, sanctified, righteous, when you die. The death of your body has NOTHING whatsoever to do with your spiritual condition OTHER THAN sealing it. Whatever spiritual condition you are in when you die - in Adam or in Christ - is what you will remain. As I said, Joe. You may be right. But I'm convinced that it is my new birth, not my eventual death, that determines who I am. It is Christ in me that imparts these wonderful characteristics that, as Peter says, allows me to here and now have everything I need for life and godliness. "We look at the things that are unseen for they are ETERNAL. The things that are seen are TEMPORAL." Where will you look for your identity, Joe? Will you look at the death of your body, a mere tent that houses the real you, for who you are in Christ? Or will you look back to the work of Christ and His resurrection for your spiritual identity. None of these things come from ourselves. They all come from our union with Him. He is the true Vine and source. We are merely the branches. As Paul writes in Rom 11:16 - "If the root (Christ) is holy, the branches ARE (not WILL BE) too." I will not call God a liar by insisting that He doesn't know what He said or that the writers of the NT had no concept of verb tenses. If He says it, that's good enough for my simple mind and faith. Thanks for the interaction. McGracer |
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26 | Once saved, aways saved doctrine refuted | Matt 10:1 | McGracer | 54072 | ||
Grace and Truth, Yes and no. I can go live anyway I want to. BUT He changes my WANT TO. I now what Christ to be my life - Col 3:4. I want to learn to say with Paul, "I no longer live, but Christ lives in me." I want to learn to grow in the grace and knowledge of my Lord. I want to read my Bible and learn more of Him for who died for me (and now lives in me). I want to edify my brothers and sisters in Christ and yet speak the truth, for truth sets us free. I want to support my local church for God is using it in my community to reach others for Christ. I want to intercede in prayer on the behalf of others and lead them to come to know who they are in Christ. Christ does not save us and then walk away. He now indwells us through the Holy Spirit and leads and guides us. I am now learning to live the Christ-life. I am safe in Him forever and I'm ready to go out and have fun lifting up my Lord. Thanks for the dare! I'll take it! McGracer |
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27 | Once saved, aways saved doctrine refuted | Matt 10:1 | McGracer | 54063 | ||
Grace and Truth, Sorry, bro, these don't mix. Your salvation cannot be completely based on Christ's finished work AND your faithfulness. Your faithfulness is works, bro, and NO ONE is completely faithful EXCEPT God. Ya just can't have it both ways. It is Christ alone. McGracer |
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28 | Is baptism necessary for salvation? | Acts 10:48 | McGracer | 54060 | ||
Dear Grace and Truth, This assertion, brother is simply not true. Baptism is, first and foremost, a spiritual act. Consider 1 Corinthians 12:13 - For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one Spirit. We are not baptized into Christ when we are dunked in water, brother. We are baptized spiritually into Christ as soon as we believe. The water is merely a physical form that represents the spiritual truth. This is the heart of Gal 3:27 and Rom 6:3-5. These passages do not mention water whatsoever. They are speaking of spiritual truth. Jesus well explains the meaning of John 3:3,5 in verse 6. That which is born of flesh is flesh - you are first born surrounded by a sack of water. At birth, the water breaks and then you are born. That is flesh birth. That which is born of Spirit is spirit. God caused us a new spirit to be born in us at new birth and He indwells that spirit. Jesus' words had nothing whatsoever to do with being dunked in water. Dear brother, do not mistake the picture for the reality. Water baptism is a physical picture of your very real union with Christ in His death, burial, and resurrection. As He physically died, you were spiritually dead. As He was physically buried, you were spiritually buried. As He physically rose from the dead, you have been (past tense) spiritually raised from the dead to walk in the newness of life - Rom 6:4. This is spiritual truth and H2O cannot save you. Only Christ can save you. Being spiritually baptized by the Holy Spirit into Christ is what saves you, not getting your body wet. Please don't mistake the two. One represents the other, therefore one is lesser than the other. One is reality, one is a symbol. Please don't make them equal. McGracer |
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29 | What do the rest of you think? | Matt 7:24 | McGracer | 54042 | ||
Tim, Yes, thanks for the clarification. I believe they were made during at their resurrection. They just didn't receive it during their lifetime whereas we do through new birth. Thanks, bro. I know what I want to say but I can't always find the words, or, if I do find them, I forget where I leave them. :) McGracer |
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30 | rock foundation | Matt 7:24 | McGracer | 54025 | ||
Append, BTW Joe, I am not implying that OT saints were not influenced by or aware of the Holy Spirit. They very much were. I am just saying that the Holy Spirit did not indwell the average OT believer through out his (or her) whole life. The Spirit left Saul. David was very much aware that God's Spirit would leave him because of his sin. As NT believers, we should not live in that fear. Our sins have been dealt with once-and-for-all. Therefore, God re-creates us as new creatures in Him and indwells us forever - 2 Cor 5:17; Gal 6:15; Eph 2:10; Eph 4:24. McGracer |
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31 | rock foundation | Matt 7:24 | McGracer | 54023 | ||
Joe, Job pleased God by his faith in Him - Heb 11:2,39 - For by it (faith) the men of old gained approval. OT saints placed their faith in God (and whatever His word was to them at the time) and their faith in God was credited to them as righteousness. Without faith, it is IMPOSSIBLE to please God. This is faith in Him and what He says, not faith in our efforts to keep the Law or "Christian principles." Job was ALREADY a believer in God when God said that he was blameless and upright. Because he was an OT believer, he feared God and turned away from evil. So it was Job's relationship with God, a faith relationship that allowed God to call him blameless and upright. We, as NT believers are called the same thing - Eph 1:4; Eph 5:27; Col 1:22. We are not holy and blameless because we don't sin. We are holy and blameless because we have placed our faith and turst in God and He now indwells us. McGracer |
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32 | Are you refering to the thief ? | Matt 10:1 | McGracer | 54015 | ||
Hi Tim, Yes, according to the flesh I am Irish (mostly). But according to the Spirit, I am a new creation in Christ - 2 Cor 5:17. But I still have a wee bit of the blar'ney in me, doncha know? McGracer |
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33 | Are you refering to the thief ? | Matt 10:1 | McGracer | 54014 | ||
Hi Steve, You are CORRECT, sir! :) I was wrong! Good thing my post was only worth two cents. :) So the thief on the cross did die under the New Covenant! For the New Covenant is in Christ's precious blood. Thank you for gently correcting me! I really appreciate it! Tim has made the excellent point that ALL believers are saved by faith in God, OT or NT. This is the crux of Christianity. It is faith in what God has done. Praise Him for the precious blood of the Lamb which took away our sins and His wonderful life that now indwells these fragile temples of clay - Col 3:4. McGracer |
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34 | Are you refering to the thief ? | Matt 10:1 | McGracer | 54010 | ||
Hi Tim, Here's my two cents for what it's worth (probably two cents). BTW, this is not a correction to your post, just an expansion of it. The thief on the cross WAS under the Old Covenant for Hebrews makes it clear that the New Covenant did not go into effect UNTIL Christ shed His blood - Heb 9:17. HOWEVER, this is not a desparity because Heb 9:15 makes it clear that ALL the sins that were committed under the first covenant (Mosaic from Hebrews perspective) were paid for at Calvary. Heb 10:4 states that it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins. Therefore, all of the sins committed under the Law were "atoned for", covered, by animal blood, but it is God Himself who did the forgiving because He knew that Christ's sacrifice was already a done deal (slain from the foundations of the earth). Animal blood NEVER forgave anyone - it is God alone who forgives man and in OT times He forgave according to the faith that men had in Him. Animal blood merely pointed to the sacrifice of the Lamb of God who would take away the sins of the world. In conclusion, Heb 10:12 demonstrates that Christ's sacrifice took away ALL sins for ALL men for ALL time (even OT sins and even sins that we here in time have not committed yet). It is truly finished. There is no more sacrifice. "And their sins and there lawless deeds I will remember no more" - Heb 10:17 - not because we don't sin but because Christ's work is done! McGracer |
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35 | rock foundation | Matt 7:24 | McGracer | 53998 | ||
Andes, you are right, Job was not "born again". He was saved by faith (as were all OT saints), but he was not born again as we are. Born again, Jesus said, is born of the Spirit of God. God creates a new human spirit in the NT believer and indwells that spirit by His Holy Spirit - John 3 - Spirit gives birth to spirit. Job, while being saved by faith and "counted as righteous" was never regenerated by God's Holy Spirit. Because of sin, God did not dwell IN the OT believer. Because sins have been "taken away" by the Lamb of God, He does now dwell in the NT believer. McGracer |
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36 | rock foundation | Matt 7:24 | McGracer | 53978 | ||
Andes, Thanks for the response, brother. You wrote: "Where did you get it? Studies or grace?" I'm not sure what you're asking (sorry). If you've been to my site, then you know that I study grace. :) Thanks for checking it out. Any feedback through private email would be welcome and appreciated. No, I'm not a pastor. Can we still be friends? :) I don't mind discussing babies' spirits as long you know that I generally approach issues from what scriptures DO say and they just don't say much about this subject. So I try to be firm where I believe the scriptures are firm and bend where they are pretty silent. It may be best to discuss it off the forum, but the call is yours. Nice to hear from you, Andes. McGracer |
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37 | Once saved, aways saved doctrine refuted | Matt 10:1 | McGracer | 53924 | ||
Grace and Truth, I'm not even sure I want to get into this one but I'll share what I believe about these two subjects. 1. Yes, Jesus at one pointed breathed on the disciples and said "Receive the Holy Spirit." I have heard this interpreted two different ways: A. He was only sighing and then telling them to receive the Holy Spirit at Pentecost and B. They did receive the Holy Spirit at this time. If A. is true, then none of the disciples had the indwelling Holy Spirit until Pentecost. If B. is true, then still the Holy Spirit only came UPON them, not IN them. It is well known that under the Old Testament economy, the Holy Spirit came UPON people to enable them to minister or complete a God-given task. And He would often leave them if they sinned. Under the New Covenant, because ALL sins have been paid for on the cross, the Holy Spirit comes to indwell us FOREVER - 1 Cor 6:17; 2 John 1:2. He will never leave us or forsake us. 2. As for Ananias and Sapphira, the scripture does not tell us FOR SURE that they were believers. Acts 5:1 just calls him "a man." Acts 4:32 mentions a "congregation of those who believed" but I think that it is quite a stretch to presuppose that everyone in the early "local" church was a believer (any more than the average church-goer is nowadays). Not every wealth person who contributes to the church nowadays is saved either. Peter said that satan filled Ananias' heart. How could satan do this if Ananias was, as 1 Cor 6:17 says, joined in his heart to the Lord? Lastly (I'm gonna take heat for this also) where does scripture say that God killed them? It simply says that they breathed their last and fell dead. It is interesting that Christians who claim to believe that there is no condemnation for those who are in Christ - Romans 8:1,2 - are so quick to believe that God would physically kill someone who is indwelt by Him. We see the same mentality in our communion services. I have been participating in communion for over 30 years now and I have NEVER seen someone break out in leprosy, cancer, or fall over dead during the observation of the Lord's Supper because they forgot to confess a sin or two or because they weren't worthy. Worthy is the Lamb, not the sheep. While God alone sees the heart, I find it highly unlikely that every person drinking the cup and eating the cracker has confessed EVERY sin that have committed or omitted. Either Hebrews 10:17,18 is true or it is not. There is no middle ground. These are just my opinions. I cannot "prove" them but I think they are worthy of consideration. Baaaaaa, just a sheep, McGracer |
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38 | rock foundation | Matt 7:24 | McGracer | 53891 | ||
Amen, Hank! Thanks for your valuable, well-thoughtout input in this conversation. It's a blessing when we can have different perspectives, freely share them, develop friendships, and even reach a consensus of agreement in unity because of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. Thankful for you, McGracer |
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39 | rock foundation | Matt 7:24 | McGracer | 53883 | ||
Emmaus, Thanks for your response and clarification, brother. I agree that Jesus Christ is the Rock, the foundation upon which our faith is built. There is no other name given among men whereby we can be saved and therefore the gospels MUST be central to our faith. Hank has made the excellent point the everything written in the OT points to Christ and everything written after the gospels points back to Christ. The only other thing that I would like to "gently" add is that, while the gospel narrate the earthly life of our Savior and His finished work (this is the foundation of our faith), the Pauline letters and the writings of the other authors of the NT are centered in "Christ in you, the hope of glory." Maybe this is what In the Andes was referring to, I don't know. While the gospels speak of the historical Christ in focus and content (the events and works of His earthly ministry), the rest of the NT speaks of His ministry in us. I am not attempting to elevate the creation over the Creator here. I am simply saying that the same Jesus that lived and died 2000 years ago is now alive in us. So while the gospels give us a beautiful picture of what He did then, the rest of the NT demonstrates how He lives in us now. His presence in us is as real as His earthly presence 2000 years ago. Paul affirmed this when he stated, "I have been crucified with Christ, I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God who loved me and gave Himself for me." The heartbeat of Christianity is not in imitating a God-man who lived 2000 years ago. The heartbeat of Christianity is that same God-man, Jesus Christ, now taking up residence in His earthly body today and living through us. He is our life - Col 3:4. I often see bracelets, Bible covers, and stickers that say WWJD (What Would Jesus Do). While I understand the thrust behind this "fad" is to get folks to attempt to look in the gospels to see how Jesus acted and then to imitate that, there is more to the Christian life then trying to imitate God. The message of the Christian life is Christ, not just a historical figure, but a living Savior who is very much living in the world today in His people. So my "fad", if I had one, would be - What Will Jesus Do? He said, "Apart from Me, you can do nothing." Paul said, "I can do ALL things through Christ who gives me strength." Those words are just as true today in 2002 as they were 2000 years ago. I am not a follower of Paul, Cephas, or any other man. But I certainly do recognize that God Himself wrote other books of the New Testament for our edification and growth. If the only Jesus we ever see is the one in the gospels, we will attempt to mimic Him and live a life of defeat and futility. But when we recognize that the same Jesus in the gospels still lives and works in and through us today, we can find the Christ-life to become an experience, not of imitation, but of co-operation. Paul wrote in Col 1:25-28 - Of this church I was made a minister according to the stewardship from God bestowed on me for your benefit, so that I might fully carry out the preaching of the word of God, that is, the mystery which has been hidden from the past ages and generations, but has now been manifested to His saints, to whom God willed to make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory. We proclaim Him, admonishing every man and teaching every man with all wisdom, so that we may present every man complete in Christ." Grace and peace to you, Bill Mc |
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40 | rock foundation | Matt 7:24 | McGracer | 53847 | ||
Emmaus, I hope that I didn't offend you with my first reply, bro. You have not responded to these postings and I hope that it is not because I have caused you offense. I'm sorry if I came across too brashly in my response. Please accept my apology. McGracer |
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