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141 | Baptism-What Does the Bible Teach? | Acts 2:38 | Reighnskye | 133790 | ||
Rowdy, I have not so much suggested that Paul was not an advocate of baptism. Indeed Paul was an advocate of the entire Law of Moses, and preached wholly in it's support. However, he did not view the Law so much as the vehicle of salvation. I apologize for coming late into this thread, insofar as my focus had been in other threads, and I seldom venture into threads that have been running for a long time, unless I was involved with them in their early stages. I would like to better understand your position. Are you saying that water baptism is a requirement of salvation, and that a person will be eternally damned if they are not water baptized? Again, as per the many verse references that you gave, we clearly see that Paul was a staunch advocate of baptism, even as he greatly supported obedience to the Law of Moses. The practice of baptism originated from Old Testament Law, with the ceremonial cleansing of the priests. While Peter and James may have advocated a strict Law obedience (for example, circumcision) to be members of the church, it doesn't seem that Paul was so strict with the Gentiles. Perhaps he was with the Jews. - Romans 7 12 So then, the Law is holy, and the commandment is holy and righteous and good. (NAS95) - Blessings, Reighnskye |
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142 | is the seed non-human? | Dan 2:43 | Reighnskye | 133788 | ||
Misty, I agree that you are making assumptions here. I did however give a verse reference for my belief. It's up to you if you want to go with that or not. I'll not force the argument. I might suggest that it would be good for you to provide verse references, rather than simpy trying to press a perspective on extra-biblical basis. - Blessings, Reighnskye |
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143 | habitually sinning | Eccl 7:20 | Reighnskye | 133787 | ||
ccvythcoch, You wrote: "I define habitually as regularly or continually or making a habit of. I ment to say if you realize that you are sinning and keep on sinning in the same area are you really saved." I greatly appreciate your definition of habitual sin. I just might suggest that everyone possesses some type of habitual sin. For example, I may be continually late for work, and undergoing a corrective process by the management. We might say that this is habitual sin, insofar as I am not responding to a management corrective process. In fact, I had an employee like that who had to be released from employment. I may find myself unable to wake up in the morning on time, and I just can't seem to improve, despite how hard I try. Should I reckon myself as never having been eternally saved, because I'm habitually late for work every morning? Don't we all have some issue like that? I don't believe that habitual sins disqualify us from being a saved believer. - Further, in relation to habitual sin, you wrote: "For example you lust after a Girl or Guy and realize that you have sinned but continue to do it anyways." This last statement here raises another question for me. How are you defining lust? If one looks at an attractive girl or guy, and becomes suxually aroused, over a period of many years, does this mean that they are unsaved? If that's the case, then we wouldn't be sure that anyone on the earth is saved. - 1 John 1 5 This is the message we have heard from Him and announce to you, that God is Light, and in Him there is no darkness at all. (NAS95) 1 John 2 3 By this we know that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 The one who says, "I have come to know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him; (NAS95) - Blessings, Reighnskye |
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144 | WERE THERE ONLY JEWS AT THE PENTECOST? | Acts 2:1 | Reighnskye | 133708 | ||
Emmaus, You said: "Actually the Gospel was opened to the Gentiles before Paul through Peter under the direction of the Holy Spirit when he preached to and baptized Cornelius and his household in Acts 10 and 11." When I had mentioned that the Gospel was not open to the Gentiles until the ministry of Paul, I was including the time of Paul's ministry immediately after his conversion in Acts chapter nine. Although you are completely correct to say that the Gentiles did not recieve the Gospel until quite a bit later. I had assumed that Paul was reaching Gentiles in the earliest parts of his ministry, when in fact, he may have only preached the Gospel to the Jews earlier on. - Acts 9 19 and he took food and was strengthened. Now for several days he was with the disciples who were at Damascus, 20 and immediately he began to proclaim Jesus in the synagogues, saying, "He is the Son of God." 21 All those hearing him continued to be amazed, and were saying, "Is this not he who in Jerusalem destroyed those who called on this name, and who had come here for the purpose of bringing them bound before the chief priests?" 22 But Saul kept increasing in strength and confounding the Jews who lived at Damascus by proving that this Jesus is the Christ. (NAS95) - Blessings, Reighnskye |
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145 | Would this be biblically accurate? | Luke 18:11 | Reighnskye | 133631 | ||
Angel, I also must politely disagree with you. Although all of the life illustrations that you give are quite valid, I suggest that they only tend to apply on a more conscious superficial level. In other words, something much deeper is going on with these kids on a subconcious and/or unconscious level. To think that kids are violently assaulting each other on the mere basis of obtaining a pair of shoes would, in my opinion, be rather naive. This may be true on a mere conscious level with these kids, but I greatly suggest that deeper issues are transpiring within them, of which they are not even aware. Nor do I dismiss the involvement of ego in the slightest. Rather, I suggest that these core subconscious and/or unconscious thought modifiers only serve to amplify the ego-complex that your scripture references mention. You have indeed presented a nice list of very fine scriptures that demonstrate the reality of sin and human ego, but I was never really refuting this reality. Rather, my original references were toward dynamics that unerringly transpire on a deep psychological level. These deep transpirings do not, however, negate the reality of ego and sin. I view it as a rather dualistic philosophy that human suffering and ego cannot and/or do not transpire simultaneously. Rather, I suggest that human suffering and the egocentric sin nature are indeed inseparable. These children that you mention are obviously suffering quite deeply and will continue to suffer into adulthood. Even if their conscious minds shut out the awareness of their own suffering from their early youth and for decades to come. Nonetheless, the deep inner suffering will manifest in the ways that you have suggested, and beyond the perpetrators' own conscious awareness. Again, if we were speaking strictly on a conscious level, I would have to wholeheartedly agree with you. However, I don't believe anyone's behaviors originate from strictly a conscious level. - Jeremiah 17 9 "The heart is more deceitful than all else And is desperately sick; Who can understand it? (NAS95) Jeremiah 17 9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? (KJV) - Blessings, Reighnskye |
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146 | WERE THERE ONLY JEWS AT THE PENTECOST? | Acts 2:1 | Reighnskye | 133625 | ||
Yes, only Jews were members of the entire early church until Acts chapter 10 under the ministry of Peter. Proselytes to Judaism were also present. Gentiles did not enter the church until Paul was converted, unless they were first converted to the Judaic Old Testament law, under the apostolic authority of Peter. Please understand that the Gospel of Christ was not open to Gentiles until the ministry of Paul, without first possessing a prerequisite Judaic conversion under the Law of Moses. Jesus' ministry was immediately directed to the Jews. Jesus further here depicts Gentiles as dogs and Jews as sheep. Mark 7 25 But after hearing of Him, a woman whose little daughter had an unclean spirit immediately came and fell at His feet. 26 Now the woman was a Gentile, of the Syrophoenician race. And she kept asking Him to cast the demon out of her daughter. 27 And He was saying to her, "Let the children be satisfied first, for it is not good to take the children's bread and throw it to the dogs." 28 But she answered and *said to Him, "Yes, Lord, but even the dogs under the table feed on the children's crumbs." 29 And He said to her, "Because of this answer go; the demon has gone out of your daughter." 30 And going back to her home, she found the child lying on the bed, the demon having left. (NAS95) Matthew 15 22 And a Canaanite woman from that region came out and began to cry out, saying, "Have mercy on me, Lord, Son of David; my daughter is cruelly demon-possessed." 23 But He did not answer her a word. And His disciples came and implored Him, saying, "Send her away, because she keeps shouting at us." 24 But He answered and said, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel." 25 But she came and began to bow down before Him, saying, "Lord, help me!" 26 And He answered and said, "It is not good to take the children's bread and throw it to the dogs." 27 But she said, "Yes, Lord; but even the dogs feed on the crumbs which fall from their masters' table." 28 Then Jesus said to her, "O woman, your faith is great; it shall be done for you as you wish." And her daughter was healed at once. (NAS95) - Further, Peter was not even aware that a Gentile could be saved and accepted into God's church, without a pre-Judaic conversion, until Acts chapter 10. Did Jesus forget to tell him that Gentiles could be saved without the Law, or is there something else going on here? Acts 10 44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who were listening to the message. 45 All the circumcised believers who came with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also. 46 For they were hearing them speaking with tongues and exalting God. Then Peter answered, 47 "Surely no one can refuse the water for these to be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we did, can he?" 48 And he ordered them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to stay on for a few days. (NAS95) - Blessings, Reighnskye |
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147 | is the seed non-human? | Dan 2:43 | Reighnskye | 133596 | ||
Believer, How are you interpreting this scripture? What has this verse got to do with human/demon hybrids or clones? Also, clones and hybrids are too entirely different things, yet you're using this verse to refer to both. Here's the verse you used: Matthew 15 13 But He answered and said, "Every plant which My heavenly Father did not plant shall be uprooted. (NAS95) - Blessings, Reighnskye |
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148 | is the seed non-human? | Dan 2:43 | Reighnskye | 133593 | ||
Believer, Here is a commonly used reference to demonstrate that animals will live on eternally in God's kingdom. The verse is very well known in Christian circles from the book of Isaiah, and is even sung in many worship hymns. Isaiah 11 6 And the wolf will dwell with the lamb, And the leopard will lie down with the young goat, And the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; And a little boy will lead them. 7 Also the cow and the bear will graze, Their young will lie down together, And the lion will eat straw like the ox. 8 The nursing child will play by the hole of the cobra, And the weaned child will put his hand on the viper's den. 9 They will not hurt or destroy in all My holy mountain, For the earth will be full of the knowledge of the LORD As the waters cover the sea. (NAS95) - Further, what you say is quite accurate that the spirit and the soul are two different things. 1 Thessalonians 5 23 Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you entirely; and may your spirit and soul and body be preserved complete, without blame at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. (NAS95) Hebrews 4 12 For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart. (NAS95) What has me a bit baffled is how one can say that a being possesses a spirit, yet does not possess a soul? Would it not stand to reason that if a being possesses a spirit, that a soul would also be had? - Blessings, Reighnskye |
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149 | is the seed non-human? | Dan 2:43 | Reighnskye | 133592 | ||
Believer, If we do not view God as the ultimate creator of clones, then we do not view God as the sovereign creator of all things. James 1 16 Do not err, my beloved brethren. 17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning. (KJV) - Further, I suggest that there are four primary components to consciousness, wherein we may accurately ascertain if a person or being (or a clonal replicant in this case) possesses a conscious soul. The four components of soulish consciousness are as follows: 1. Intellect: the capacity for thought, reasoning and mathematical analysis. 2. Emotion: the capacity to experience happiness and sorrow, anger and fear, along with a vast plethora of associative emotions. 3. Volition: the capacity to make strategic and tactical plans and decisions, in regards to the locomotion of the physical body. 4. Conscience: the capacity to operate by an inner moral awareness, in relation to others around us. And I have not even referenced here the components of physical material consciousness. Ecclesiastes 3 21 Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth? (KJV) - Lastly, the very last verse that you had referenced to me, in your position against the soulish validity of clones, seems to be a vast over-extension in the application of scripture. The following scripture does not refer to cloning. Matthew 15 13 But He answered and said, "Every plant which My heavenly Father did not plant shall be uprooted. (NAS95) It appears to me by your usage of this text, that you believe that the living awareness of clones will somehow be uprooted? - Blessings, Reighnskye |
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150 | is the seed non-human? | Dan 2:43 | Reighnskye | 133582 | ||
Rowdy, Fully agreed :) - Blessings, Reighnskye |
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151 | Romans 2:14-15 commonly mutilated? | 1 Cor 2:14 | Reighnskye | 133512 | ||
Doc, I fully agree. - Blessings, Reighnskye |
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152 | Baptism-What Does the Bible Teach? | Acts 2:38 | Reighnskye | 133511 | ||
EdB, Currently in my church, my pastor teaches that the doctrine of baptism was mandated for new Jewish believers, but was not however imposed upon the Gentiles. The exact same thing went for circumcision. I fully believe that the bible clearly states that baptism (like circumcision) is absolutely necessary for salvation, as was Peter's doctrine to the Jews. However, Peter's doctrine was also exclusively directed to Jewish converts (plus Gentiles who had converted to Jusaism), up until Acts Chapter 10. Jesus went only to the lost sheep of Israel, until His divine appearance to Paul in a vision. Before this point, however, all new converts to the Gospel of Jesus also had to conform to the full requirements of the Law of Moses (baptism and circumcision included) under Peter's apostolic authority, in order to be accepted into the church. If you weren't baptized and circumcised, you were strictly excommunicated. So yes, Peter's Gospel strictly necessitated baptism. Paul's message did not. - Acts 2 38 Peter said to them, "Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. (NAS95) Acts 15 1 Some men came down from Judea and began teaching the brethren, "Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved." (NAS95) - Blessings, Reighnskye |
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153 | is the seed non-human? | Dan 2:43 | Reighnskye | 133497 | ||
Believer, I greatly suggest that only God can create life, whether it be twins in the womb or clones in the test tube. God is the author of all life, and we should show full respect to God's handiwork, even if human beings will distort and abuse God's gift of life to us. If two twins shall be born from the mother's womb on the same day, it would not be valid to ask which life is valid and which is not. So also, if that twin is born in a test tube or through an act of cloning. Even if man shall form the body from pre-existing organic materials, yet God creates the soul within every potential clone (if not the body itself). However, not all view God as the sovereign author of all life on earth. Although, scientists will attempt to enhance or distort human life (as had been done with animals already), we should nonetheless not thank the scientist for a new life on the earth. The scientist had only taken what God had first originated and melded such organic materials through scientific methods. Ultimately, there will likely be three demonstrated applications for cloning in the end times: 1. Clones will be used to fight our wars, at the loss of their various God-given lives and limbs. 2. Clones will perform our daily labors for us as permanent slaves bought for a hefty price. This will be particularly advantageous for larger corporations that would like to cut payroll a bit. 3. Clones will be used for medical experimentions as the Jews were, due to their percieved expendability. - Now beyond all this, there will be two camps of people: 1. The first camp will be a portion of the religious camp, which will declare the mistaken belief that clones lack souls and are therefore not a viable form of life. From here, mass geneocides of clones will be first supported and later performed. However, an offshoot of this first camp will also arise, which will fully support the first three applications for clones that I had suggested. Although, they will not view clones as having souls, they will nonetheless view mass genocide as impractical. 2. The second religious camp of people will declare that clones do indeed have souls, which constitutes that they are a viable form of life, likewise deserving equal freedoms as all human beings. These shall oppose the usage of clones as war soldiers, corporate slaves and medical test subjects. They shall also attempt to convey the Gospel of Jesus to them. However, another offshoot will also arise from this second camp of people, who will justify the deaths of the first and original camp, who support and/or perform mass genocide of the clones. These shall spill the blood of a portion of the first camp, so as to defend the clones by way of violence. - Which camp will you choose? - James 1 16 Do not be deceived, my beloved brethren. 17 Every good thing given and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shifting shadow. (NAS95) - Blessings, Reighnskye |
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154 | is the seed non-human? | Dan 2:43 | Reighnskye | 133492 | ||
Believer, I would have to say that I agree with you in your last quote here. You said: "I believe that someone on the ark, (obviously not Noah) had this seed.) Many people think that they were all perfect in their generations, but the Bible only says this about Noah, not the others. I totally deep six the idea that anyone lived besides Noah and his family. God doesn't lie, neither does the word. Secondly, some people say there was a second wave of fallen angels, but I haven't been able to find this proof in scripture. As for the spirit thing, I may have not stated clearly what I meant: When we die, our spirit will either live eternally or burn eternally, so it just seems logical this would be the case with the fallen angels." - As to your last question as to whether the Nephilim had souls or not? I would conversely ask "why wouldn't they"? Even dogs, cats, rats and ants have souls. LOLOLOL. - Ecclesiastes 3 17 I said to myself, "God will judge both the righteous man and the wicked man," for a time for every matter and for every deed is there. 18 I said to myself concerning the sons of men, "God has surely tested them in order for them to see that they are but beasts." 19 For the fate of the sons of men and the fate of beasts is the same. As one dies so dies the other; indeed, they all have the same breath and there is no advantage for man over beast, for all is vanity. 20 All go to the same place. All came from the dust and all return to the dust. 21 Who knows that the breath of man ascends upward and the breath of the beast descends downward to the earth? 22 I have seen that nothing is better than that man should be happy in his activities, for that is his lot. For who will bring him to see what will occur after him? (NAS95) - Blessings, Reighnskye |
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155 | is the seed non-human? | Dan 2:43 | Reighnskye | 133489 | ||
Mark, You said: "My thinking is that the spirits produced from this crossbreeding are not subject to salvation, although again, I have no scripture to support that." - If human beings are redeemable, and yet the fallen angels were not redeemable, then what of human/angelic hybrids? Are they therefore redeemable or irredeemable? God forbid that hybrids should walk the earth today. - Blessings, Reighsnkye |
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156 | is the seed non-human? | Dan 2:43 | Reighnskye | 133483 | ||
Believer, You had asked a couple of questions. You said: "Could you tell me, if the fallen angels were all killed out, how did they repopulate the earth after the flood?" I honestly can't answer this question beyond simply conjecture, nor have I really thought of this idea before now. I suppose we could look at two ideologies here. A. If the flood of Noah had exterminated all life on the entire earth, then celestial blood may have been carried through the bloodlines of any of the eight human survivors on the ark; or celestials (angels/demons) manifested themselves again on the earth after the flood of Noah and began intermingling anew, albeit with lesser force; Or, B. The flood of Noah did not exterminate all of humanity from the earth and somebody on the dry land had escaped the flood, beyond the eight who were on the ark. Although completely unbiblical, this idea may run concurrent with ancient historical records of many nations of the earth, that recorded multiple smaller floods throughout the earth, as opposed to one great big flood. By the way, the lost continent of Atlantis was once believed to exist, prior to it's submergence under water, as per the annals of ancient mythology. Secondly, you had asked: "Another thing to think about is the fact that angels, whether fallen or not, are spirits. Do you think they can be killed? The scripture says the ones who left their first estate are in chains awaiting judgement, they aren't dead." To adequately answer this question, I would have to use some rather foreign terms, which are not commonly used in our vernacular. The term "spirit" is grossly inadequate when discussing these things, and can easily lead to a great deal of confusion. This is because when we use the word "spirit", we are often speaking of "ghosts", which are in no way spiritual, even if they are supernatural. The term "spiritual" would not apply to hellish and demonic entities, for example. I will rather use the terms "celestial" and "ghost" (and even these terms fall short). Here is the difference between a "celestial" and a "ghost". A "ghost" is a disembodied spirit that exists on a lesser non-spiritual supernatural plane. The immortal physicality had been lost or forfeited, albeit the vehicle of the "ghost" body had been left behind. Much like when mortal human beings die physically and subsequently float around within the vehicle of a "ghost" body, possessing no resolute appearance or form. This is the state of the demons who left their first estate of physical immortality, so that they could breed with humanity. Having lost their immortal physicality, they therefore attempt to possess the bodies of living mortals, so that they may live on in this life, through the eyes and ears of others. Job 14 10 But man dieth, and wasteth away: yea, man giveth up the ghost, and where is he? (KJV) - Conversely, a "celestial" is a higher spirit which possesses physical immortality, and can physically materialize in our earthly dimension at any time in full view of mortals. This is likely the case with the higher angels, who did not abandon their first estate of physical immortality. Jesus, Enoch and Elijah (and some say Moses) also possess "celestial" bodies, which are capable of physical materialization in our mortal realm at any time. This "celestial" body is the future inheritance of the saints, wherein we may coin the term "material spirit", though the terminology falls short. 1 Corinthians 15 40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. (KJV) - Here are some further verse references concerning those angels who left their first estate of immortal physicality, and therefore degraded themselves into lesser demons after their physical expirations from the earth. In effect, one third of the angels became mortal and their physical bodies died off from the earth. Hence, the dire necessity of these judgments. Perhaps we may still find their bones today. 2 Peter 2 4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; 5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly; (KJV) Jude 1 6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. (KJV) - Blessings, Reighnskye |
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157 | Romans 2:14-15 commonly mutilated? | 1 Cor 2:14 | Reighnskye | 133449 | ||
Steve, Tim and Hank: Blessings - Steve, I have to fully agree with your statements. You said: "Sadly, I have heard the same type of thing starting to come from my own faith tradition. To quote what is being said: "God will not condemn those who have not rejected the witness of Himself in creation." This was written by Dave Hunt in his book "Calvinism Debated". The same type of thing has been written by Dr. Tony Evans. It grieves me that these brothers are straying from the clear teaching of Scripture." - Tim, Since you ask, I sat myself at Willow Creek Community Church, in a large room of a hundred people, wherein the doctrine was taught to singles small group leaders, as per a regular series of answering tough theological questions. The teachings were pre-scheduled and authorized through Willow Creek authority, and delivered through paid ministry staff who were church-ordained. It was part of a four-week series addressing other tough theological questions as well, with the particular doctrine comprising one session. The crux of these messages was purposed to educate laypeople how to reach objectioning unbelievers with the Gospel, so they could invite them to church. The proof text that was utilized was Romans 2:14-15. I was instructed these things myself as a small group leader there. I've since heard the doctrine in a half dozen other mainstream megachurches in Illinois, directly through the pulpit. - Hank, I would have to agree that the doctrine is a blasphemous heresy. The doctrine is often used as a religious disclaimer concerning the aborigine in remote parts of Africa, which says that those who never hear the gospel, in their own native language, can still be saved with a clear enough conscience. Basically the idea is that sinners who never hear the Gospel are off the hook, and have a free ticket to heaven, because God or the church failed to reach them with the Gospel anyhow, and therefore they don't deserve to go to hell. Although the doctrine is not biblically based, it goes along the reasoning that God would never condemn people who didn't have an opportunity to hear the Gospel in this life. This doctrine likely originates from the identical notion that aborigines in remote Africa (where the New Testament hasn't yet been translated into their own native language) are accounted equal with unborn aborted babies who never get to choose Christ in this life. Also, we may include severely mentally-challenged people who can't discern right from wrong nor understand a verbally communicated Gospel message. (A few will even stretch this to religionists of non-Christian faiths.) Now, it is my personal view that all of these individuals (aborted babies, mentally-challenged people and distant aborigines) do not get an automatic free ticket into heaven, pending a clear enough conscience in this life. This is because I believe that all human beings (aborted babies included) are born as sinners, and are each eternally scheduled for hell, simply by way of default. Rather, I tend to go in the direction, that there will likely be opportunity, during Christ's millennial reign on earth, for these people to knowingly accept or reject the Gospel, from a clearer vantage point. Perhaps a common lack of eschatological fluency, amongst many of the larger megachurches, has led to extra-biblical notions on salvation, causing religious disclaimers to be made, when the church doesn't feel it's reached everyone with it's vital Gospel message. End-time eschatology has largely been scrapped among the larger megachurches (5000 plus members), insofar as it tends to confuse newer mass converts. - Mark 16 15 And He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. (NAS95) Matthew 28 19 "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, (NAS95) John 14 16 "I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever; (NAS95) - Blessings, Reighnskye |
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158 | Romans 2:14-15 commonly mutilated? | 1 Cor 2:14 | Reighnskye | 133425 | ||
Doc, When you say that you've never heard of the interpretation that I'm suggesting, what specifically in my statements are you referring to? I do agree with you that Paul makes it extremely clear, throughout the book of Romans, that we are all condemned. It just doesn't require a knowledge of the Law of Moses, to come to this conclusion, as per the verse reference below. - Romans 2 12 For all who have sinned without the Law will also perish without the Law, and all who have sinned under the Law will be judged by the Law; - Here we see that Gentiles sin apart from a knowledge of the Law, and that Jews sin under a knowledge of the Law. Yet every conscience stands condemned with or without the Law of Moses (consisting of the Ten Commandments and such.) I have never anywhere personally suggested that anyone has a clear conscience, but rather I have heard such a thing suggested in various church circles that I've encountered. Churches with 5000 to 20,000 plus members in Illinois. I view their doctrine as well nigh heretical. Nonetheless, the doctrine is taught by the largest Protestant congregation in the entire United States, as located in Illinois. Many other churches here have followed suit. Conversely, I am myself suggesting that Paul teaches that a knowledge of the Law of Moses is not necessary to be saved, insofar as the Gentiles of Paul's time are ignorant of the teachings of Moses anyway. What is indispensable for salvation, however, is the recieving of the Gospel of Christ. Although knowledge of the Law of Moses may have been integral for the spiritual conversion of the Jews, it was wholly unnecessary for the conversion of ignorant Gentiles. The ignorance of the Gentile is not in regards to their blemished conscience, but rather in regards to the written Ten Commandments issued by Moses. - John 1 17 For the Law was given through Moses; grace and truth were realized through Jesus Christ. (NAS95) - Blessings, Reighnskye |
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159 | is the seed non-human? | Dan 2:43 | Reighnskye | 133400 | ||
Mark, Was this seed intermingling with the human race after the days of Noah? If it can be said that Noah and his family were pure-blood humans (which I believe to be the case), then we may infer that the celestial/human crossbreeds were fully removed from the earth during the flood. The gene pool of the human species got a new start and celestial blood had not intermingled with our kind since. Certainly the introduction of angel-spawn or demon-spawn, within the gene pool of the human race, would unsettle the war between the angels and the demons, swaying such a war over to one side or the other. I suggest that this type of crossbreeding does not enhance us, but rather diminishes us, as a species. The blood becomes weakened and not strengthened. A purebreed human race will become greater in it's future immortal state than what the angelic/demonic celestials ever were. The corruption of the human gene pool would, however, thwart the future dominance of an immortal humanity, causing either the angels or the demons to hold permament sway. Scripture infers that these celestial races will yet be subjected in the immortal regeneration of humanity. No greater or lesser angel is completely pure. - 1 Corinthians 6 2 Or do you not know that the saints will judge the world? If the world is judged by you, are you not competent to constitute the smallest law courts? 3 Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more matters of this life? (NAS95) Hebrews 2 6 But one has testified somewhere, saying, "WHAT IS MAN, THAT YOU REMEMBER HIM? OR THE SON OF MAN, THAT YOU ARE CONCERNED ABOUT HIM? 7 "YOU HAVE MADE HIM FOR A LITTLE WHILE LOWER THAN THE ANGELS; YOU HAVE CROWNED HIM WITH GLORY AND HONOR, AND HAVE APPOINTED HIM OVER THE WORKS OF YOUR HANDS; 8 YOU HAVE PUT ALL THINGS IN SUBJECTION UNDER HIS FEET." For in subjecting all things to him, He left nothing that is not subject to him. But now we do not yet see all things subjected to him. 9 But we do see Him who was made for a little while lower than the angels, namely, Jesus, because of the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, so that by the grace of God He might taste death for everyone. (NAS95) Job 4 18 'He puts no trust even in His servants; And against His angels He charges error. (NAS95) Job 15 15 "Behold, He puts no trust in His holy ones, And the heavens are not pure in His sight; (NAS95) - Blessings, Reighnskye |
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160 | is the seed non-human? | Dan 2:43 | Reighnskye | 133390 | ||
Believer, Are you suggesting from this verse, that angelic/demonic seed again mixes with the human race, even well after the period of the flood of Noah? The former intermingling of celestials and humankind necessitated the mass genocide incurred by the great flood, without which the flood would not have been necessary, but for the corruptions in the human bloodline. - Genesis 6 1 Now it came about, when men began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them, 2 that the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose. 3 Then the LORD said, "My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, because he also is flesh; nevertheless his days shall be one hundred and twenty years." 4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown. 5 Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6 The LORD was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart. 7 The LORD said, "I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of the land, from man to animals to creeping things and to birds of the sky; for I am sorry that I have made them." (NAS95) - Blessings, Reighnskye |
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