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141 | How do you substantiate your answere? | Gen 1:31 | JCrichton | 127386 | ||
Part 2 of 3 It is evident from the preponderance of supporting Scripture that Jesus is God and, as God, Omniscient; but there are still those who do not want to accept the Truth and refuse to obey Scripture. They even have the tenacity to cite a few passages that, on the surface, seem to support their fallacy, while, simultaneously, they reject all Scripture that disproves their arguments! You asked me for substantiated Scripture, I offered it (Genesis 1:1-31)! Yet, you refuse to accept the Scripture’s passage that clearly states that God Created everything and “He saw it was good!” You go off on a tangent and characterize darkness as evil and, though not Scripturally stated, you affirm that that is its true nature… who’s kidding who? “However, I find your reply to be riddled with opinions concerning the traditional origin of Satan which is a contestable subject and nowhere scripturally verifyable. Please read more on the subject before you definitively attribute such authority to Isaiah Chapter 14.” You refuse to accept Scripture because it does not spell out (ad verbum) Lucifer is Satan: Isaiah 14:12-14 New American Standard Bible (NASB) 12 "How you have (1) fallen from heaven, O (2) star of the morning, son of the dawn! You have been cut down to the earth, You who have weakened the nations! 13 "But you said in your heart, 'I will (3) ascend to heaven; I will (4) raise my throne above the stars of God, And I will sit on the mount of assembly In the recesses of the north. 14 “I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; (5) I will make myself like the Most High.” Show cross-references Is 34:4; Luke 10:18; Rev 8:10; 9:1 2 Pet 1:19; Rev 2:28; 22:16 Ezek 28:2 Dan 5:22, 23; 8:10; 2 Thess 2:4 Is 47:8; 2 Thess 2:4 Isaiah 14:12-14 Amplified Bible (AMP) Isaiah 14 12How have you fallen from heaven, O (1) light-bringer and daystar, son of the morning! How you have been cut down to the ground, you who weakened and laid low the nations (O blasphemous, satanic king of Babylon!) 13And you said in your heart, I will ascend to heaven; I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; I will sit upon the mount of assembly in the uttermost north. 14I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High. Footnotes The Hebrew for this expression--"light-bringer" or "shining one"--is translated "Lucifer" in The Latin Vulgate, and is thus translated in the King James Version. But because of the association of that name with Satan, it is not now used in this and other translations. Some students feel that the application of the name Lucifer to Satan, in spite of the long and confident teaching to that effect, is erroneous. The application of the name to Satan has existed since the third century A.D., and is based on the supposition that Luke 10:18 is an explanation of Isa. 14:12, which many authorities believe is not true. "Lucifer," the light-bringer, is the Latin equivalent of the Greek word "Phosphoros," which is used as a title of Christ in II Pet. 1:19 and corresponds to the name "radiant and brilliant Morning Star" in Rev. 22:16, a name Jesus called Himself. This passage here in Isa. 14:13 clearly applies to the king of Babylon. Isaiah 14:12-14 King James Version (KJV) Isaiah 14 12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! 13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: 14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. |
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142 | How do you substantiate your answere? | Gen 1:31 | JCrichton | 127387 | ||
Part 3 of 3 Isaiah 14:12-14 New King James Version (NKJV) Isaiah 14 The Fall of Lucifer 12 "How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer,(1) son of the morning! How you are cut down to the ground, You who weakened the nations! 13For you have said in your heart: "I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; I will also sit on the mount of the congregation On the farthest sides of the north; 14I will ascend above the heights of the clouds, I will be like the Most High.” Footnotes 14:12 Literally Day Star Isaiah 14:12-14 21st Century King James Version (KJ21) Isaiah 14 12 "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How art thou cut down to the ground, who didst weaken the nations! 13 For thou hast said in thine heart, ‘I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north. 14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the Most High.” Isaiah 14:12-14 Darby Translation (DARBY) Isaiah 14 12 How art thou fallen from heaven, Lucifer, son of the morning! Thou art cut down to the ground, that didst prostrate the nations! 13 And thou that didst say in thy heart, I will ascend into the heavens, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God, and I will sit upon the mount of assembly, in the recesses of the north; 14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds, I will be like the Most High: Please reference the Whole Bible and reason out who Lucifer is. But please do not be simplistic and ignore Scripture by saying that Lucifer is simply a man who wanted to be as God--unless you and your sources can prove that there’s some way that a man can overthrow God from His Throne in Heaven… and that that man was able to seduce a third of the angels to assist him on his assault on the Throne! “I agree with you. Now I will add that I am vexed to think that you believe my unacceptance of the traditional view that Isaiah chapter 14 refers to Satan somehow makes me disobedient to God. Thank you for pointing to the splinter in my eye! Now consider the mote in yours.” My statement is to the fact that you claim that God created evil… Satan being the foundation of sin/evil is, per your statement, just another one of God’s creations. This fact is what I am admonishing against! For you or anyone else to claim such fallacy as truth is to give the world license to commit itself to evil--after all God saw that creation was good and He rested! What you claim suggests that, by proxy, God condones wickedness (since, per your words, he created evil); please, do not reason with human wisdom and understanding… allow the Holy Spirit to guide you to the Truth! Do you see the error in your doctrine? How can a Being of Light create evil and be content at witnessing its creation? Please rethink your ideologies… There’s no darkness in the Light! “ISAIAH 45:7 "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."” “And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people."” My friend, this is speaking on God’s Omnipotence… it does not mean that He places evil in the world or that He schemes like a lowly human to satisfy His thirst for vengeance and to exploit His creation once evil corrupts it! Please, ask the Holy Spirit for enlightenment! I will continue to pray that the Holy Spirit shine on all of God’s children so that the father of lies does not confound our hearts and minds with a counterfeit doctrine! God Bless! Angel |
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143 | Is God's name YHVH or JHVH? | Gen 2:4 | JCrichton | 107521 | ||
Hello, BD@GA! Again, from the same source: Exodus 3:14 footnote f: I am who I am... I AM; or I will be who I will be... I WILL BE. "I am sounds like the Hebrew name Yahweh traditionally transliterated as Jehovah. Hope this has helped! God Bless! |
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144 | Verse about being sentient | Gen 2:8 | JCrichton | 121509 | ||
Hi, tgc! Are you Jewish, a nonbeliever or a member of a new movement group? My question is based on the way you did not spell God on your post. God said, 'Let us make man in our own image, in the likeness of ourselves, and let them be masters of the fish of the sea, the birds of heaven, the cattle, all the wild animals and all the creatures, that creep along the ground.' (Genesis 1:26) God made us in His image and likeness; God is omnipotent so it would only be logical that we have some level of autonomy. Today, I call heaven and earth to witness against you: I am offering you life or death, blessing or curse. Choose life, then, so that you and your descendants may live, in the love of Yahweh your God, obeying his voice, holdig fast to him... (Deuteronomy 30:19-20) God has always allowed us free choice: But to those who did accept him he gave power to become children of God, to those who believed in his name (John 1:12) And if anyone does not welcome you or listen to what you have to say, as you walk out of the house or town shake the dust from your feet. (Matthew 10:14) In other words, since they would not consent to acknowledge God, God abandoned them to their unacceptable thoughts and indecent behaviour. (Romans 1:28) look, I am standing at the door, knocking. If one of you hears me calling and opens the door, I will come in to share a meal at that person's side. (Revelation 3:20) But the rest of the human race, who escaped death by these plagues, refused either to abandon their own handiwork or to stop worshipping devils, the idols made of gold, silver, bronze, stone and wood that can neither see nor hear nor move. Nor did they give up their murdering, or witchcraft, or fornication or stealing. (Revelation 9:20-21) but though people were scorched by the fierce heat of it, they cursed the name of God who had the power to cause such plagues, and they would not repent and glorify him. (Revelation 16:9) It is evidently clear that God will not force His Love and Mercy on us! We are given free reign over our autonomy, even when we are totally rebellious and sinking deep into the abyss of eternal damnation! God Bless! Angel |
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145 | Verse about being sentient | Gen 2:8 | JCrichton | 121511 | ||
Hi, tgc! I just posted a reply that should have gone to Raistlin. I apologize for the error. God Bless! Angel |
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146 | Verse about being sentient | Gen 2:8 | JCrichton | 121607 | ||
Hi, Raistlin! I am glad to have helped! I was curious because I had a friend in high school who is of Jewish descent and she taught me a few things about Jewish customs... One of the things that stuck was that demonstration of respect for the Holy Name! In His Blessings! Angel |
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147 | What is God saying in this verse? | Gen 3:15 | JCrichton | 107796 | ||
You hit the nail on the head! Let us worship the Lord! There are many things that people believe that are straight forward in the Bible, others that are so clear people run with them polluting its Truth; but it is not about knowing things; it is about knowing Christ! The Holy Spirit, as the third Person of God, is here (in the world) to provide answers for us and to guide us: John 14:15-17; 16:7-11. Recognizing that you need help learning about the Scriptures is a mayor step to understanding them; you are humbling yourself to the Lord who has already given you an answer: Matthew 7:7; James 1:5. And Paul amplifies this: 1 Corinthians 2:6-16. God Bless! |
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148 | What is God saying in this verse? | Gen 3:15 | JCrichton | 107815 | ||
Hi, Ray! I understand what you are saying. Rarely are there any parallels in the Bible that match to their counterparts exactly. The point I was making is that from Genesis 3:15 the whole struggle for power (from Satan's perspective) can be seen all the way to the end of times where Jesus Christ will ultimately defeat Satan and throw him into the lake of fire. The assault Satan attempts against the Throne of God is multifaceted: Lucifer plans to usurp God's authority, reclutes up to one third of the angels, loses that battle. Once cast out of heaven he then attempts to wreck creation--fails! Being close to the Power that Be (I AM) Satan has learned a thing or two and thus proceeds to murder the Infant; tempt Jesus; crucify the Lord... failing over and over and over... Final battle: Christ's siblings! Genesis 3:15 is like a stocked deck of cards: though comprised of a complete set of cards we have access to only the activated cards! God Bless! |
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149 | why did Jesus call Mary 'woman'? | Gen 3:15 | JCrichton | 129505 | ||
Hi, Songbirdca! Also note that there is a transition at the foot of the Cross which reflects Revelation 12:17... though many would like to think of Revelation 12 speaking about the Church, we must understand that the Church did not bear the Messiah (Jesus), it was the woman--conversely, the Church originated in Christ and not the other way around! God Bless! Angel |
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150 | Do babies go to heaven or hell? | Gen 5:24 | JCrichton | 138150 | ||
"we must leave it in God's hands." "I believe there are only two camps - righteous and unrighteous." Hi, Searcher! I think that this issue is summed up in both of your statements, quoted above: there is no Scripture that guarantees entrance to Heaven even for the most tender of our infants or the mentally ill/incapacitated... conversely, who gets to go/not to go to Heaven is not in our hands... You made and excellent point discussing king David and his infant child... you concluded that it is all in the physical realm!: "which is also physical." Yet you seem to jump into a distict conclusion in you next statement: "I believe that all infants who die (who hasn't had a chance to accept Jesus) will be in heaven with Jesus Christ after they die." I agree with this last statement wholeheartedly! Scripture speak about a physical realm that aspires to become a spiritual realm (the Christian trek); it is our Father's own calling: be holy! (1 Peter 1:16)... Jesus tells us that we must be born again (John 3:3) and His precursor, John the Baptist, reveals that Jesus will come to Baptize in the Holy Spirit and Fire (Matthew 3:11)... on the flip side, John and Paul talk about a coming change... one that will perfect the imperfection (1 John 3:1-2; 1 Corinthians 13:12; 15;52-54)... I specially love John's revelation as he emphasizes that he is speaking as a son of God and that he is speaking to sons of God... so there's no technicality involved here... there's no language barrier (Greek, Hebrew, Arameic, Latin... it does not matter!): there is a metamorphosis that the sons of God will undertake at becoming full-fledged citizens of Heaven! This change, of course, is not a physical change (brighter smile, tan, sharp eyes, tallness, thinness...); this is a spiritual change: Paul's vision of incorruptibility! This of couse is granted by God through the Holy Spirit! Who will limit God's Holy Spirit from awakening the spirit of God in a child who is at his/her Mother's womb when death visits? Who will limit God's Holy Spirit from rescuing God's spirit when a mental decease incapacitates a person excluding him/her from maturing in Christ as no amount of preaching/teaching will hold on his/her frozen/innert gray matter... the organ with which we can physically recognizing Christ's Gospels? Who will prohibit God's Holy Spirit from reclaiming the spirit trapped in the man/woman dying of Parkinson, drowning in schizophrenia or one ensnared in a coma--totally detached from the physical world that wishes to disciple him/her in Christ's doctrine? When we stop limiting God we can begin to understand our Faith and Jesus' Word ("if your faith... as a mustard seed!"); Scripture is not set up to limit our growth and salvation; rather, its purpose is to deliver us from death into Life! If we believe that Jesus is the Resurrection and Life, and if we believe His Word (Matthew 3:9), could we not believe that God, who wants all to be saved (Ezekiel 18:30-32), will, though His Mighty and Powerful Holy Spirit, reach and save those who would otherwise not be able to receive a physical discipleship that would introduce and keep them in Christ? Have we not learned from Jesus' parables that God is the ultimate judge and equalizer? (Matthew 20:1-16) God Bless! Angel |
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151 | Who is Melchizedek | Gen 14:18 | JCrichton | 121925 | ||
Hi, tgc! Thank you for your kind words! As Paul tells us we must run to receive the crown (1 Corinthians 9:24-27), so I seek to improve my abilities while assisting others achieve the same goal: Life in Christ! God Bless! Angel |
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152 | Son of David?Son of Abraham?Seed? | Gen 17:7 | JCrichton | 106466 | ||
Hello, Ray! In my fervor to study the Scriptures I will no doubt err in expressing my thoughts. I believe that Jesus is God so when I write something expressing my views I emphasize a word/title by capitalizing the first letter. Words such as plan, salvation, promise, inheritance,etc. if I refer them to Jesus most likely I will capitalize them. And because I am running with various thoughts, I may lose the point that, as in your case, is being made about Biblical capitalization. I did not mean to disrespect your position nor our Lord's Divinity. God Bless! |
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153 | suicides and the bible | Gen 18:25 | JCrichton | 148469 | ||
"For what purpose will God awaken this criminal?" Hi! I did not mean to intrude on your post... but you are focusing on the wrong element... Jesus is the Resurrectin and the Life! Jesus did not promise the man on the cross next to Him that one day he would be forgiven... Jesus told him that on that very day he would be with Him in paradise! It is Jesus who cleanses us with His Blood... but don't forget that Scripture are not meant to limit God's Authority and Power... that man on the cross professed remorse and convicted himself a sinner while upholding Jesus as the Just (recognizing His innocence) and begging for mercy (recognizing His Authority over creation)... Jesus, the One who sees into the innermost of our beings, reconciled that man's transgressions with his profession of faith and his repentence (conviction of guilt)... that man received baptism in the Holy Spirit and fire! God Bless! Angel |
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154 | Were the babes of Sodom righteous? | Gen 18:26 | JCrichton | 107877 | ||
True, Searcher, Sodom and Gomorrah were not worshiping Yahweh; but still they were created in God's image (Matthew 5:45). I believe that the question is not did they worship Yahweh; it is were the children seen by God as righteous or unrighteous. Being that their parents were lost would Yahweh not permit some type of dispensation for them? Hence my post's reference to 1 Peter 3:18-22. Christ did not die for a select few: Romans 5:6. Further, as you pointed out there was no Israel, for Issac had yet to be born! So if you are saying that Christ did not die for those children (the original question assumes that there were children born in Sodom), then would you also say that God's Salvation Plan is flawed, for how could a three year old defy his parents and walk over to Abraham's camp? Jesus never said that children were automatically heaven's citizen; He said that only as children would we (those tarnished by sin) gain salvation. Children, at least Jesus' contemporaries, are innocent, loving, trusting, hungry for instruction, and humble. Thomas'(a great teacher: John 3:10) reactions to Jesus' teachings were confrontational and disbelief. Most of the interchange demonstrate just that point: we can go on in circles expanding from point a to z, including material that does not even shadow the original point, in an effort to prove something wrong or misinterpreted. When God spoke to Abraham about that one righteous person, did He include all the people? Did Yahweh make an exception for the children since Jesus' liberatinng grace was set for a distant future, or did He just figured "like father like son, let them all burn"? I do not presume to speak for my God, but I believe that there is Wisdom and Mercy beyond my understanding in Yahweh's Works. So I would rather think that He would have mercy on children who are way too ignorant to know and to choose righteousness! Since God is Love and Mercy--His Salvation could not be meant just for me! God Bless! |
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155 | Were the babes of Sodom righteous? | Gen 18:26 | JCrichton | 107976 | ||
Is this the point that the original posting meant to make? Since we are all sinners (God's words) then why was the point of the original post: Subject: Were the babes of Sodom righteous? Abraham was found righteous by God--Did Abraham make himself righteous? Was it not God who found Abraham to be righteous? I thought that point of the question was would God not have made the children of Sodom righteous, since they had no other sin other than the "inherent sinful nature," while simultaneously passing sentence (Romans 6:21) on the sinful conduct of the people of Sodom. Perhaps I thought that that was the point in question. Sorry for the misunderstanding! God Bless! |
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156 | Rape, Circumcission, Slaughter. | Gen 34:31 | JCrichton | 135076 | ||
"or did Dinah welcome the relationship and the "violence" was against Joseph's (and the brother's) property rights?" Hi, JRM! To read that Dinah was just being promiscuous and that the males felt violated because their property was taking without some form of agreement or payment, says very little for Jacob and his children! It is also contradicting the actions taken by Dinah's brothers... it would have been advantageous for them to have Dinah marry the prince--just imagine how much claut they would have with all the people that dealt with Shechem in the neighboring territories... instead, they have made a profound statement, one that places them in peril, as all the associates of the people they killed would, in the least, see Jacob and his family as adversaries! I ask you to rethink your position and include the fact that Jacob was a servant of Yahweh and he and his family had a different set of standards (spiritual and moral) than those of Canaan and its neigboring terretories... " am a little surprised about how comfortable you feel about the deceitful agreement re. circumcission. It seems to me like offering someone communion bread, but poisoning it first." Yet, I am sure that you were not as surprised as I was when I read your suggestion about taking the money and marrying Dinah to her rapist! This is akin to discovering that someone removed a spare organ from your body and then offered you some cash for your troubles! It seems that you exact a greater obligation on Jacob than you do on the pagans! Though I am not truly surprised as we witness this same treatment all over the world: those who have power are beyond any accountability--onless an example is required. The violation, though it seems that you refuse to accept the fact that it took place, was both a physical (Dinah and her family) and a spiritual (Israel, the people of God) violation!: 1) Dinah's violation lead to Simeon's and Levi's deceitful retaliation on Shechem and his people (Geneisis 34:1-31) Simeon's and Levi's violence lead to Jacob's rejection of Simeon and Levi at his death bed (Genesis 49:5-7); 3) The sons of Levi, as Peter in John 21:15-18, were separated by Yahweh and redeemed from their father's violence (Exodus 32:26-28); 4) Jacob's rejection of Levi lead to the Tribe of Levi being dispersed amongst Insrael while their obedience to God's Command distinguished them for the service of the priestly tribe (Numbers 1:47-54; 3:12-13). If you find fault at Simeon's, Levi's and Jacob's actions... is it because you truly do not find fault with Shechem and his people or is it because you do not understand God's Way? The first Covenant involved temporal values (sinners were iradicated by means of a physical death); Israel (inclusive of Jacob and his children) lived under such Covenant! God Bless! Angel |
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157 | Rape, Circumcission, Slaughter. | Gen 34:31 | JCrichton | 135081 | ||
Hi, JRM! This is exactly my point! Jacob could not have blessed their actions; yet he knew that Dinah's rape had to be revenged... it was the law of the land: the weak perish under the oppression of the mightly... Jacob even dreaded the actions that the Canaanites and the other dwellers of the land would take against him and his family... Yahweh's command to Jacob to move away from the immideate geographical area, followed by the terror imposed on the Canaanites and others (perhaps including the massacre committed by Simeon and Levi) kept Israel from being retaliated against! Yet, as a servant of Yahweh, Jacob (much like God and David--2 Samuel 7:4-13; 1 Kings 5:3; 8:17-20, could not bless Simeon and Levi who shed so much blood out of anger! Still, even as this unfolds, I see Yahweh's Plan being fulfilled as Jacob's curse demands Levi's dispersion amongst Israel--yet, in His Wisdom and Mercy, He rescues Levi in his children (Exodus 32:26-28), and separates the scattered Levites onto Himself as the priestly tribe! God Bless! Angel |
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158 | Rape, Circumcission, Slaughter. | Gen 34:31 | JCrichton | 135143 | ||
"This is true. As does our Maker." Hi, JRM! True, Jesus commands that we excercise greater justice than that of the Pharisees and Sadducees (Matthew 5:20), as it is true throughout the Bible... yet, when speaking of the Old Covenant times there was a different economy, one that until Jesus' incarnation relied on physical rather than spiritual values... Simeon and Levi, though perhaps excessive, were taking vengeance upon those who insulted both their sister and, by extension, their God! I cannot offer you more proof than the very Scripture where Yahweh orders Jacob to flee the area and He keeps the Canaanites and others from harming him and his family as they travel out of the immediate geographical area to Bethel (Genesis 35:1-15)... neither can I convince you that Dinah was rape... I can only warn you to curb such liberal interpretation of Scripture as they can, more times than not, lead you away from the Truth (Christ). This, said, please understand that I am not limiting God's ability and desire to forgive us our transgressions--aside from rejecting Him there is no sin not forgiven to man (Matthew 21:31-32; Isaiah 1:18-20; Ezekiel 18:30-32). God Bless! Angel |
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159 | Rape, Circumcission, Slaughter. | Gen 34:31 | JCrichton | 135206 | ||
Hi, JRM! I termed your interpretation liberal because Scripture speaks of Dinah being raped, yet you insist on portraying the incident as a "perhaps she was raped" type of event... I also think that you are viewing the Old Testament in light of Christian principles and revelations--true God does not change; yet, during the Old Testament times a physical punishment was exacted for transgressions against God; while in the New Testament, it is a spiritual retribution that is exacted for the transgressions of Christians. "Can you imagine being Jacob, and only having the stories of the beginning of Genesis to work with?" Can you imagine being Jacob, and having God stand right next to you as He Commands you to do one thing or another? Can you imagine the intimacy of wrestling with God? God's Plan is revealed according to His timetable... those who were taught in the Old Covenant were just as fortunate as those who are taught under the New Covenant... the difference is that we are in the end of times (spiritual economy) rather than the beginning (physical economy); we are called to believe and trust God based on what others experienced or were commanded to write down! "the picture of God becomes a little clearer." Yet, we fall short of understanding this advantage... mostly because we seek to know not what God has expressly written for us but that which we think we might find if we search for a deeper meaning than what God has offered: "The Bible often uses few words to describe an event, leaving many questions" This is part of God's design... we are meant to rely on Him not to become experts of what He mean to say or do, but to become experts on listening and obeying His Word! If we search Scripture for deeper understanding of God, that is a profitable and honorable commission... yet, if by searching for deeper meaning and understanding we manipulate Scripture or its interpretation, then we are not serving God nor ourselves... rather, we might even be derailing those who are babes in the Faith! We can take any literary work or any artistic rendering and we can analyze it to death, offering as wild interpretations as we desire... no harm, no foul! But if we employ that same technique to Scripture... at best, we are doubting God's Word; at worst, we are contradicting God's Word! For this very reason I do not indulge in the "what if" speculations... at best, they confound the reader/listener; at worst they confound even the author/writer. "The Old Testament, in particular, is full of ethically complicated situations" Again... this is all relative... in America we have hundreds of laws that dictate what, where, or when citizenry is able to do or not do... child labor laws are a fantastic example... as moral and ethical as they are today, in the not too far past children were a little more than an opportunity being exploited by both the parents and society--this is still true in certain parts of the world... Since God dealt differently with the people of the Old Covenant than He deals with the people of the New Covenant, how can anyone compare ethical or spiritual values? It would be akin to wanting to have hundreds of wives because David and Salomon did! God Bless! Angel |
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160 | Joseph's iron fist | Gen 47:19 | JCrichton | 135815 | ||
Hi, JRM! I see your point... but I refer to Scripture (Genesis 47:19), it was the people themselves who bargained for their lives as they had nothing else to barter with... Now, on Joseph's defense: a) Pharoah maintained final authority on Joseph's program (Genesis 47:22), and b) Joseph's negotiation provided for both the Pharoah and for the people as he only taxed them one fifth of their production (Genesis 47:24)... ultimately both the Pharoah and the people benefited from the arrangement... perhaps 20 percent is a high tax on people but death is always a definite scourge on longevity! The Bible closes with the statement that that law has been in effect since then (Genesis 47:26); yet it does not expand on any additional levies or the Egyptians being able to buy back their lands or themselves from the Pharoah... One final point... since Jacob's people had not yet been enslaved by the Egyptians, there doesn't seem to be any ulterior motives for Joseph's illwill towards the people of Egypt... I still see his actions as a necessity to keep the people and the land safe from the devastation of the seven years of famine... I am not sure about the origins of the system of taxation here in America... but I understand that the original introduction was meant as a temporary measure to fund the war efforts... it must have worked well past everyone's expectations... I suspect that much of what happened with us happened with the Egyptians! ...so, did Joseph suffer a lapse of judgment and exploited the people or was his program too successful for the Pharaoh to allow it to lapse into oblivion?... I think that the latter is closer to what truly transpired during Joseph's command! God Bless! Angel |
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