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121 | Judas went to hell? | NT general Archive 1 | stjones | 28007 | ||
Merry Christmas, Tim; At least one day we'll know one way or the other. It's certainly nothing important enough to come between friends. It's almost a hobby with me to imagine (without contradicting Scripture) a God who is bigger and more surprising than I thought. I figure no matter what I come up with, my brain is still way too small to contain him. It helps keep me from thinking that I have him figured out. Peace and grace, Steve aka Indiana Jones |
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122 | Judas went to hell? | NT general Archive 1 | stjones | 28044 | ||
Hi, Nolan; All excellent points. But I must continue in my ignorance - I simply do not know Judas' heart or God's final judgment on him. I appreciate the fact that you have relied on Scripture to support your conclusion. A lot of commentators have been cited in this thread, all claiming that Judas went to hell. I finally went to the commentaries and study Bible that I use to see what those writers thought. Not one of them addressed Judas' ultimate fate. I take this to mean that there are scholars who, like me, cannot find sufficient evidence in the Bible to declare with certainty what that fate was. I guess they are as ignorant as I am. ;-) Peach and grace, Steve aka Indiana Jones |
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123 | Judas went to hell? | NT general Archive 1 | stjones | 28094 | ||
Hi, Nolan; I'm sorry to have offended or upset you. I hope you can understand that I am unable to succumb to mere numbers and opinions and abandon what I understand the Bible to say or not say. As for your effort being "in vain", it was if your intent was to bludgeon me into submission - I do not share your certainty about Judas' fate. We obviously disagree; I had thought it could be respectfully. Despite all the impassioned assertions by you and others, the Bible does not explicitly say that Judas went to hell. It does not explicitly say that his repentence was of an inferior variety. It does not explicitly say that "his place" refers to hell. It does not explicitly say that "better to have never been born" is equivalent to damnation. These are all valid interpretations of what the Bible says, but they are not explicit statements. The interpretations offered by you and the others are plausible. I would have thought that by my uncertainty of Judas' current whereabouts I was acknowledging that. He may indeed be in hell. But other interpretations consistent with the rest of Scripture are possible too. Perhaps the certainty that Judas is in hell arises not from anything the Bible explcitly says but from a fervent desire to see him there. Peace and grace, Steve aka Indiana Jones |
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124 | Judas went to hell? | NT general Archive 1 | stjones | 28184 | ||
Hi, Hank; Yes and no. The answer is not important. Seeking the answer is. Such questions challenge me do two things that I don't usually do - dig deep into a single verse or two and think out of the box (mine, not the Bible's) about God. Just another example of the journey being more important than the destination. Happy New Year to you too. Peace and grace, Steve aka Indiana Jones |
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125 | Judas went to hell? | NT general Archive 1 | stjones | 28189 | ||
Hi, Nolan; Bad choice of words, "bludgeon". So I'll apologize - hopefully the last apology in this thread. Iron sharpens iron. As I told Hank in another reply, you and Tim and kalos challenged me to do two things I don't do as often as I should - (1) dig deeply into a verse or two and (2) think out of the box (mine, not the Bible's) about God. We disagree on the answer but sometimes seeking the answer is its own reward. So I hope you agree that our tussle had value. I just checked myself over - a few bruises, no blood, no permanent damage. I hope it's the same with you. Peace and grace, Steve aka Indiana Jones |
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126 | Judas went to hell? | NT general Archive 1 | stjones | 28209 | ||
Hi, Nolan; Agreed. 100 percent. No apologies. Amen! Peace and grace, Steve aka Indiana Jones |
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127 | Judas went to hell? | NT general Archive 1 | stjones | 28327 | ||
Hi, serenetime; Scroll up about 20 messages or so in this thread to the one entitled "Greetings martyr! The Bible says that... " posted by my good friend Nolan Keck Sun 12/23/01, 12:06am. If you read down through that thread, you will find a most ... um ... lively exchange about this passage and what it means or doesn't mean. Enjoy. Peace and grace, Steve aka Indiana Jones |
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128 | Judas went to hell? | NT general Archive 1 | stjones | 28589 | ||
Hi, Radioman; There are people who grow up believing that the Bible says God helps those who help themselves. ;-) Don't you suppose that if God wanted us to know Judas' fate he would have revealed it in unequivocal language? Instead the Bible says (1) it was Satan acting in Judas and (2) Judas repented (or felt remorse, depending on the translation). This is the message of the plain text. There is no passage anywhere in the Bible that says with similar clarity "Judas was condemned" or "Judas didn't really repent" or "Judas went to hell". I appeal to everyone weighing in on this question to consider Augustine's admonition "In Essentials, unity. In non-essentials, liberty. In all things, love." If knowledge of Judas' fate were essential in God's eyes, I am confident that he would have come right out and said it through one of the NT writers. There is room for sincere Christians who study and believe the Bible to disagree on this. There is no point in choosing up sides and beating each other up or insulting one another over this. Peace and grace, Steve aka Indiana Jones |
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129 | Judas went to hell? | NT general Archive 1 | stjones | 28596 | ||
Thanks, Radioman; Conspicuously absent from these translations is the word "hell" or any word denoting hell. What they say is that he was not in Jerusalem with the other disciples; he was somewhere else. Where? The text says "his place" - which might refer to hell or it could refer to the field he bought or the rocks he fell on. Peace and grace, Steve aka Indiana Jones |
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130 | Judas went to hell? | NT general Archive 1 | stjones | 28598 | ||
Thanks again, Radioman; Many commentators offer their opinion that he went to hell; other commentators are less presumptuous. Commentator's opinions are often helpful but they are not inspired and they are not Scripture. Peace and grace, Steve aka Indiana Jones |
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131 | Judas went to hell? | NT general Archive 1 | stjones | 28599 | ||
And again; I wrongfully accused Nolan of trying to "bludgeon" me into submission. Are you trying to spam me into submission? ;-) Peace and grace, Steve aka Indiana Jones |
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132 | Judas went to hell? | NT general Archive 1 | stjones | 28629 | ||
Thanks very much; I can say the same. About you, I mean. ;-) I'm still mulling over John 17:12; I'll get back to you soon. Peace and grace, Steve aka Indiana Jones |
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133 | Judas went to hell? | NT general Archive 1 | stjones | 29994 | ||
Hi, Radioman; I hate to get this all stirred up yet again by replying at this late date, but I said I would.... In John 17:12, Jesus is praying in his disciples' (and our) hearing. I think it is possible that Jesus is referring to the Judas that the disciples have seen and will see - his actions and even his motives. I don't know that he is adressing Judas' heart and eventual fate. Judas was "lost" in the sense that, in contrast to the others, he abandoned (and, yes, betrayed) Jesus. But as I've said before, Jesus came to seek and save the "lost". We can certainly agree that Judas was not the subject of his prayer. I just cannot find in all the passages that have been provided proof that Judas went to hell. I appreciate the effort and thought that have gone into showing me the error of my ways. I know I look pig-headed, but if I can't see it, I can't see it. I agree there is a strong likelihood that Judas went to hell; certainly that is what he deserved. But then, so do I. Someone once said that when we get to Heaven, we'll all be shocked to see who's there and who isn't. I won't be surprised if Judas isn't. But if he is ... well, I just hope there's a big first-aid tent. ;-) Peace and grace, Steve aka Indiana Jones |
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134 | Judas went to hell? | NT general Archive 1 | stjones | 29995 | ||
Hi, Ray; You are obviously a person of wisdom and discernment, but where were you when I needed you? ;-) Peace and grace, Steve aka Indiana Jones |
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135 | post resurrection accounts | NT general Archive 1 | stjones | 53384 | ||
Hi, Bub; 2 Tim 3:16 does refer to the New Testament precisely because it is inspired. It is true that Paul referred to Jewish Scripture, but if God inspired Paul to write those words then I see no reason to doubt that God intended them to apply to the New Testament as well. Other than the Law, I don't recall that God ever told anyone to compile a collection of writings and call them "Scripture". Men of God, led by the Holy Spirit, have done that. Including the prophets was an obvous choice, since they spoke God's words and so must have been inspired. But what about the Psalms? David was not called a prophet, yet many Psalms were clearly inspired. The same can be said of the books attributed to Solomon, not to mention Job, Ruth, and Esther. Likewise, the Gospels were an obvious choice, since they described the life and recorded the words of the Author of Scripture. The same can be said of Acts. The rest of the NT (allowing a little fudging for Hebrews) was written by men who knew Jesus personally. Their works are a reasonable choice as well. God often intends more than his servants realize when they do his bidding. Joseph understood that the actions of his brothers led to the salvation of his family. But God meant the brothers' deed to do more than preserve Joseph's family. He meant it to lead to the crucible of Egypt, the Exodus, and the nation of Israel. So I conclude that when Paul wrote "all Scripture", God meant ALL Scripture. Peace and grace, Steve aka Indiana Jones |
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136 | Is baptism a work? | NT general Archive 1 | stjones | 66399 | ||
Hi, Tim; I think there is another poinr in favor of your excellent exposition. One cannot baptize oneself. If baptism is necessary in order to be saved, then God is unable or unwilling to save without assistance from another person. There are too many passages refuting this to even begin to cite them all. Peace and grace, Steve aka Indiana Jones |
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137 | Is baptism a work? | NT general Archive 1 | stjones | 66408 | ||
"might hold myself under too long!" LOL! Hadn't thought of that. Grace is too precious to misunderstand. Indy |
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138 | Is baptism a work? | NT general Archive 1 | stjones | 66518 | ||
Hi, Teacher; "The Ephesians scripture says nothing about baptism so how does it apply" I think that's the point. The passage tells us how we are saved and it says nothing about baptism. "we must look at God's word in total ... not just at what fits our personal belief." Indeed we must. There are many passages that speak of salvation apart from baptism (Joel 2:31-32 - quoted by Peter in Acts 2, Acts 16:29-31, Romans 10:8-10, 1 Corinthians 15:1-2, Ephesians 2:8-9). Do those passages contain false teaching? If baptism is a prerequisite for salvation, why did God not mention it in these passages? Joel's words in particular are unambiguous: "All who call upon the name of the Lord will be saved". Just like the thief on the cross, and there is no mention of baptism in either case. I picked the passage in Acts specifically because it answers the question "what must I do to be saved?": "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved". End of answer. Baptism is not part of the answer; it is part of the jailer's response to the answer. Peace and grace, Steve aka Indiana Jones |
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139 | Is baptism a work? | NT general Archive 1 | stjones | 66574 | ||
Hi, Teacher, Yes, you did come up with some preposterous examples. But you avoided responding to the ones I provided which deal specifically with salvation apart from baptism. The passage in Acts was Acts 16:29-31. As I said in the original post, it answers the question "what must I do to be saved?": "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved". End of answer. Baptism is not part of the answer; it is part of the jailer's response to the answer. But I have another problem which I mentioned in another post. Is there any example anywhere in the Bible of someone baptizing himself or herself? No; not even Jesus baptized himself. Baptism requires the participation of another person. If baptism is a prerequisite for salvation then God is unwilling or unable to save without human assistance. This is clearly contrary to the whole of Scripture. Please respond to this point. And please comment on the passage in Joel 2, the thief on the cross, and Peter's quoting of Joel 2 at Pentecost. Joel said "all who call on the name of the Lord will be saved". No mention of baptism. The thief called on the name of Lord and was saved. No baptism. If Joel's words - confirmed by the thief's experience - were not applicable, why did Peter quote them in his speech? Peace and grace, Steve aka Indiana Jones |
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140 | Is baptism a work? | NT general Archive 1 | stjones | 66631 | ||
Hi, Teacher; I had hoped you might see that I have indeed spent considerable time studying this and discussing it with others. I thought you might have new insight on the issues I raised. Thanks just the same. Peace and grace, Steve aka Indiana Jones |
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