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121 | pleasestate your undestandingof verse | Prov 16:33 | jlhetrick | 211612 | ||
keliy- I find your entire post more than a bit assuming and, well, outrageous. It's always interesting to me when someone points the finger of accusation in everyone elses direction and then proclaims to be right and have the answers. That, as I said is interesting. But it's disturbing when that same person doesn't offer the answer, just claims to have it. You wrote regarding the differences in Calvinism and Armenianism... "Actually, both sides of that debate are wrong, God's will is somewhere in between" Perhaps referring to you as "assuming" was a bit of an understatment. Would you mind finishing your thought and enlightening the rest of us? Do you understand the concept of "lone-ranger"? |
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122 | Can I lose my salvation? | Bible general Archive 4 | jlhetrick | 211610 | ||
akgrandpa- welcome to the forum. The question of whether salvation can be lost or forfeited is one of those debatable questions that quickly become argumentative and mostly unproductive in this type of setting. Still, if someone were to tell you that you can or can not lose your salvation, I suspect that would do little to give you confidence or security. Instead, I personally know that seeking the answer from Scripture is a very fulfilling study. Interestingly enough, I started a new book today (actually have it in my backpack but haven't cracked it yet). It is entitled "Eternal Security Can You Be Sure" by Paul Stanley. I can't recommend it because I haven't read it yet. I am convinced, by Scripture, that it is not possible to lose your salvation and we are promised that by Scripture (Phil 1:6). Salvation is not something you can earn or achieve, how can you lose it? God doesn't make mistakes. Anyway, probably enough said here since we don't want the never-ending debate on this topic to resurface on the forum. Type in words and/or phrases in the Search box in the upper right of the page. You will find a lot of posts on this that will at least help in pointing out the Scritprues to search on your own. God bless, Jeff |
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123 | During Rebuilding of the temple | OT general | jlhetrick | 211471 | ||
...Duplicate | ||||||
124 | Got Patient, Need Rest TGIF/S? | Titus 3:9 | jlhetrick | 211371 | ||
Amen brother Steve, well stated. | ||||||
125 | How does God judge and who? | Obad 1:16 | jlhetrick | 211167 | ||
Bobjones- you’re all over the place so it's hard to follow and address; so I will just pick out a couple of points where I'm either misunderstanding or not in agreement. You wrote: "So his life is the condemnation. John 3.19 says it plainly" You seem to be missing the point of the verse by not reading it through. The verse by itself clearly does not in any way suggest that His life is the condemnation. Quite the opposite. What comes after the statement of "the light has come into the world" is the truth of what is condemned. "...and men loved the darkness rather than the light, for their deeds were evil." (NASB) Evaluating that verse in the wider context of Scripture will certainly show this to be the case. It's unscriptural to hang the cause of condemnation on Christ. Regarding Philipians 2:7 I think I'm following you but not sure. It's not an uncommon mistake that some have equated the "emptying" and "taking on the the form of a bond servant" with somehow giving up a portion of who He was as God, that is, a part of His character. This is simply a false assumption resulting from a lack of understanding that Jesus Christ is, always was, and always will be God. If He would have at any time became less than the fullness of God then He would have ceased to be God. It's not possible and not taught in Scripture. Once made flesh through the virgin birth He became a man flesh and blood. He never ceased though to be God; it's the essential truth of the virgin birth. The sin nature imputed to us from Adam was not imputed to Christ. Another misconception is that Jesus could not have used divine power to resist sin. He certainly could have and it would have done nothing to lessen that he was tempted as we are. It might be argued that it could have lessened how we viewed His example since we do not have the same ability. Of course, we do have the power of God who does always provide a way of escape from temptation. Finally, the command of Scripture to resist temptation is not given to fallen man with no inclination toward God. It is, instead, given to the saved to whom He has shown mercy and freely given grace. As for what Romans makes clear... it is that all are eternally lost save for salvation by grace through faith in Jesus Christ. Only the saved have the ability to sincerely and consistently resist sin. I'll leave it there for now as that is a lot to chew on. Hope this is helpful. Jeff |
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126 | Am I ignorant | 1 Cor 12:1 | jlhetrick | 211160 | ||
John- I am truly sorry to have offended you and assure you that it was not my intention. It was not my intention to criticize your comparison, simply to honestly disagree with it's relevance. I believe I presented my thoughts as fairly and honestly as I was capable of. I don't see the need to become verbally combative in response. We can disagree with respect for one anothers dignity. I'm not sure what you mean by my seeming not to like quite a few of your comparisons but I will apologize in advance for that as well and offer a private email dialogue to explain where I may have disagreed with you in the past. I believe the way you have handled both myself and brother Tim in this thread has been, at times, a bit over the edge and uncalled for, all things considered. Might I suggest a careful reading and consideration for editing before posting responses? In turn I will commit to the same rule. Sincerely, Jeff |
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127 | How does God judge and who? | Obad 1:16 | jlhetrick | 211158 | ||
Mr. Jones- I'm not finding your point. What is your understanding of "the life was the light of men" in John 1:4? Light illuminates in darkness. It makes clear the way. The life of Christ was and is most definitely an example for us. As for his ability to face temptation and remain sinless your missing an essential doctrine. He was born of a virgin. There was no sin in His nature and so no tendency toward sin. He did not need to employ devine, supernatural power to resist sin. Because He was and is God His very nature was in opposition to sin. He knew temptation, but his nature did not desire to fulfill it. We, on the other hand, were born of the flesh, utterly sinful, not seeking God nor what is good. (Romans 3:11-12) The necessity of a savior; we were helpless and ungodly and in need of redemption which Christ only was and is able to provide (Romans 5:6). We weren't able to resist and therefore shouldn't have been able to resist sin. There was nothing in us or even within our grasp to have enabled us to resist. But praise God for His redemption and for the example of the life of Christ. Now that He has saved us and made us new, we can resist sin and should. |
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128 | Am I ignorant | 1 Cor 12:1 | jlhetrick | 211156 | ||
Newwine- You wrote: "Which would have multiplied the amount people that were able to avail themselves of these gifts, and in many cases much younger than the Apostles. Thereby putting the possible end of said gifts into the 2nd. century, and so on with the same teaching from Cor...." Not necessarily. I believe the Scriptural teaching of the gifts of the Spirit are clearly shown to be the work of God through the believer. They would no more be dependent on the life-span of the individual (or the teaching for that matter) than they are on the individual's faith. In other words, I don't find that God would give a gift to an individual and then he/she be in permanent possession and practice of that gift until his/her death. I also have not yet found where He gives and then takes away gifts; it's just that I do see where particular gifts were used in particular events by individuals and then not mentioned again. If I have misunderstood you please redirect me. God bless, Jeff |
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129 | Am I ignorant | 1 Cor 12:1 | jlhetrick | 211154 | ||
Steve- thanks for doing the work of researching for some resources (as Doc did also). I have read through Wayne Grudem's "Systematic Theology" but haven't studied it deeply. I was actually surprised by the interview and didn't realize where he stood on the subject. Much of what he said about the charasmatics reminded me of the late Vernon Mcgee. He really shed some light on the modern day thinking of the living Church. Has there been a quenching of the Spirit? |
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130 | Am I ignorant | 1 Cor 12:1 | jlhetrick | 211152 | ||
Thanks! | ||||||
131 | Am I ignorant | 1 Cor 12:1 | jlhetrick | 211150 | ||
Brother Mark- I apologize that I did not get your point as to exactly what in my post you were responding to. I do get the overall point of the Scripture you referenced. God bless, Jeff |
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132 | Am I ignorant | 1 Cor 12:1 | jlhetrick | 211149 | ||
Thanks John- My position was that the "comparison" wasn't a good one since we can see from Scripture that it clearly and unquestionably defines the Trinity; while it doesn't clearly (as far as anyone has pointed to) establish either side of the topic at hand. I wasn't trying to be argumentative nor was I trying to discredit you. I was attempting to explore the thought ligically and arrive at a logical conclusion. Remember, God does not settle anything through prayer regarding doctrine that He doesn't settle in His word. This is a very important foundation that we must stand firmly on. God bless, Jeff |
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133 | Am I ignorant | 1 Cor 12:1 | jlhetrick | 211148 | ||
Cheri- thanks for the input. I'm not disagreeing with you in principle, but I'm not sure that faith is necessarily the catlyst for the gifts. That is to say that while I believe any gift should be worked IN faith, faith is not the producer of it. One of the articles Doc pointed to pointted this out. At pentacost those who spoke in tongues were certainly believing God in faith, however, they were not aware of the gift of tongues and/or expecting to be speaking in unknown languages until such time as God caused them to do so. So again, I'm not disagreeing, just pointing that out. I believe there are many Christian's(including participants here) that have as much, and possibly even more, faith as some of those may have had when practicing such gifts. I say possibly more because we are fortunate to have the end result of what many of the early believers were struggling through as a witness to further our faith. I also believe that since it is God who gives the measure of faith in the first place, He is able to produce that in us to the degree necessary to carry out His will, including the working of the gifts in the Church. Thanks for your insight as always sister. Jeff |
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134 | Am I ignorant | 1 Cor 12:1 | jlhetrick | 211143 | ||
Brother John- Actually YES... there is a significant amount of Scripture that says that God is a triune God. A huge amount actually, but, so as not to take this already long thread off topic I'll simply point you to the Search box of which you are aware. I don't believe brother Tim is pushing doctrine any more than you are so we do better not to start to sling that type of language at each other, especially long-time respected members. This isn't, or shouldn't be, about convincing one to change his/her belief.... it is actually real bible study. I, for one, have a true struggle with understanding the issue and am benefiting from the dialogue. Until now, I have believed on the word of men and never knew that Scripture does not declare the cessation of the gifts with the end of the apostolic age. I am both shocked and humbled by that fact and very interested in exploring the points with people from both views. I greatly fear false doctrine, but I also fear leaving out what God has intended not to be left out. As believers and brothers in Christ we should do this respectfully, to include opting out individually if we're not benefiting. God bless, Jeff |
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135 | Am I ignorant | 1 Cor 12:1 | jlhetrick | 211134 | ||
Tim and all - So far I have only read the article at http://www.mountainretreatorg.net/articles/cessgifts.html and have to agree with you Tim. I stopped taking notes at three pages (but read the entire article) and easily discerned that the article is of no value regarding my search for the truth. I believe by “hilarious” you were referring to the hostile tone, the obviously biased view point and the total lack of academic discipline. A 101 course in philosophical argument would do Mr. Edgar some good. The article just doesn’t hold up to scrutiny so offers no assistance in my search to better understand this topic. I believe part of Mr. Edgar’s inability to present a well considered argument is that he seems to have focused on the Word of Faith teachers as the opposition. We know they are wrong; they add to, take from, misrepresent and otherwise mistreat the Scriptures. I’m in need of insight regarding the biblical truth of Spiritual gifts as they applied then and now (if there is a difference or not and if so, to what degree). I will read the others offered and give honest feedback as well. We should all remember that when we read the writings of uninspired men we should try to do so with an open mind, I think we would all agree with that. We should remember that an open mind includes an understanding of our own biases. Otherwise, if we're reading what goes along with what we already think to be true we may miss something. |
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136 | Am I ignorant | 1 Cor 12:1 | jlhetrick | 211132 | ||
Brother Tim, thank you for your thoughts. In the past, I spent several years in a charismatic church (actually 2 different ones). The thing that always bothered both me and my wife was the “speaking in tongues” business. First of all, it didn’t seem real to me (the lady to my left would be nearly perfectly imitating the guy in front of her, for example) and even if it was, it was not practiced biblically. Very often no interpretation and every service involved multiple people doing it at the same time. I have never spoken in tongues and neither has my wife (though I did pray for it sincerely for more than a couple of years because I was wrongly told that it was intended for every believer). We eventually left the first church after the pastor refused to correct publicly, to the congregation, some nonsense that a guest speaker had brought to the pulpit. Briefly, it had to do with a clearly unbiblical practice and although the pastor agreed, he would not address the church regarding it. Turns out that the speaker was on the staff of Kenneth Copeland’s “ministry” and through it all I found Kenneth Copeland was on our church board and an advisor so the pastor. Of course it was time to go. I agree that it does seem that the Church, in large part, has forgotten about the Holy Spirit. I also agree that it is the wrong approach to adopt and hold so tightly to any doctrine that is not biblically supported. I will revisit the biblical references you have pointed to; thanks for your feedback. I think of the patient who never misses a single appointment with me, always showing up on time but always with the same complaints. The one that doesn't take the medication as prescribed and doesn't apply the treatment plan. Jeff |
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137 | Am I ignorant | 1 Cor 12:1 | jlhetrick | 211090 | ||
Brother John- thanks for sharing that. Yes, I'm very familiar with your reliance on Scripture as the only sure foundation for truth; hope I didn't come across as questioning that in principal. That was, in part, why I commented on your reference to the rising and setting of the sun. I believe that reference was out of context of the thread. The continuation or cessation of any of the gifts is not an essential issue that should be allowed to devide us. The point of my involvement with the thread is, if nothing else, to point toward the falty approach to doctrine that some have in believing something they can not justify by the Scriptures. Truth is, I have believed in the cessation of the so-called miracle gifts for as long as I can remember knowing of them. I'm a bit embarrassed to say, but it's the truth nonetheless, that I hadn't done the work myself. I'm sure that's true of much of what I believe since I have on more than one occassion had my doctrine adjusted by Scripture, some times very much changed. Once we get into it for ourselves, doing the actual work I mean, it may involve some unlearning. I have people very close to me on both sides of the issue. I have had, in addition to yourself, people proclaim the Spirit having revealed the truth to them while at the same time saying they can't point specifically to Scripture in support. I can't help but be wary of that. So when I see any declare so definately something they either can not or will not support Scripturally, I believe it a fair position to take to request they attempt to. You will agree that some are well equipped to quote others to justify their position while not always so prepaired to quote Scripture to do so. If nothing else, perhaps we are all encouraged to more rightly devide the Word of Truth. God bless and thanks for working with me. Jeff |
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138 | Kill your brother and drink strong drink | James 2:10 | jlhetrick | 211078 | ||
Pete- welcome to the forum! you wrote: "I do not get drunk with wine or strong drink. I am not a thief, covetous, reviler or swindler. I have never been and never will be a drunkard. When I drink my wine or margarita with my dinner I enjoy a buzz that relaxes me and allows me to feel the goodness of God's blessings. It is a wonderful euphoria to behold the majesty of God's creation." Why would you believe that the physiological effects of alcohol is in any way allowing you to "feel the goodness of God's blessing"? From what portion of Scripture do you believe alcohol intoxification results in or in any way involves "a wonderful euphoria to behold the majexty of God's creation"? What we can be sure of, with nothing left to doubt, is the command of Scripture NOT to involve in this experience, as John pointed out- Ephesians 5:18. You're not disputing the clear teachings of Scripture....are you? |
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139 | Am I ignorant | 1 Cor 12:1 | jlhetrick | 211075 | ||
John- I believe my argument at this point is that it does not appear to be a use of common sense at all, to have impressed upon our noodles something that isn't supported by Scripture (either side) simply because the argument seems rational. If you mean to suggest that common sense in absence of Scriptural truth is somehow a trumping card I fear you're not only not using your noodle, but maybe drifting even further into error. To make the argument that Scripture says an untruth (as in your referencing the rising and setting of the sun) is as far from attention to context as we might arrive at my friend. There is a rather big word that I can't bring to recall at this moment that deals with this... it involves the use of language, sometimes figuratively, to explain something in a way that makes sense to the hearer. Some writers of Scripture choosing to do this in referring to thte rising and setting of the sun just doesn't fit into this debate. So when I speak of rational arguments, I'm not at all intending to suggest that having something impressed upon our noodle through good sounding arguments should cause us to arrive at a conclusion. I do mean, as I have always held, that we arrive at no final conclusion that Scripture does not. That, my friend, is what we should both be holding on to. God bless, Jeff |
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140 | Am I ignorant | 1 Cor 12:1 | jlhetrick | 211073 | ||
Brother Tim- After having read, carefully, the entire thread here I have the following observation. At this point, I can only view your position as being better supported by Scripture than those who believe any of the gifts of the Spirit have ceased. The absence of Scriptural support to prove, or really even suggest, that any gift HAS ceased is either not there or no one has pointed to it. I'm reminded of the very prudent warning to NEVER establish one's doctrine from a single verse or passage, yet, I'm not finding or being pointed to a SINGLE verse that confirms (or again even suggests) that any of the gifts have been ceased as of yet. Still, some, many do believe of the cessation of some gifts though I am not sure why only some (including tongues and healing) have been singled out to have ceased. I'm left with the questionS I had abandoned some time ago. Are the gifts of the Spirit still available to the Chruch today or have they ceased? If they have ceased, where does it say so in Scripture? If Scripture doesn't say so then why would we believe it. If they have not ceased what has caused so many to believe they have? Fortunately for me, I have learned not to allow these things to cause great distress. Like you, I will simply stick with what Scripture says. I'm always willing (even eager) to have Scripture change my position on anything when I'm wrong. On this issue I'm afraid I have to start, literally, from scratch. I've believed one way based on rational arguments for years without having done the work of fully investigating the Scriptures for myself. In this early stage of doing so, I'm not yet finding Scripture to support that any of the gifts have ceased. We should all fear to believe it either way unless we are sure of the truth. If they have in fact ceased, to believe and practice otherwise would be counterfeit. If they have not ceased, to deny them would be to deny Scripture as well as the true work of the Spirit in the Church. God bless, Jeff |
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