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121 | Fruitless Scripture Discussion? | 1 Tim 1:6 | bowler | 206816 | ||
Immanuelsown Amen brother, amen! You are making me think harder about this now - my mind was more leading towards not talking about endless genealogies and myths as being the only things we shouldn't be talking about. But in context of not causing the "weak", although who knows, I may be the "weak", to stumble I agree that is correct. blessings abound, bowler |
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122 | Fruitless Scripture Discussion? | 1 Tim 1:6 | bowler | 206829 | ||
Steve Thank you for clarifying everything again. I think I said "some only appeared", as in "some" and not all! To be without grace! My good fellow you were not at all not "measuring up", far from it. I am not looking for what my answer should be. I was not trying to imply you had not ansered the question or did not provide scripture! Although I do try hard to stick to the text and not give opinion, I am sure I am guilty of this too. Sorry for the misunderstandings. blessings abound, bowler |
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123 | Christians Apostate Same As Anit-Christ? | 1 Tim 4:1 | bowler | 206403 | ||
Cody Mac Thanks for the input. I see exactly what you are saying about the difference between apostasy and being of the spirit of the Anti-Christ. I got to thinking about what Jude says in 1:22, 23 about having mercy on some who doubt, save others snatching them out of the fire, and on some to have mercy with fear. And what I thought was that those who are apostate it may be possible to pull back to the faith because they have gone dangerously astray due to false teaching or doctrine, and that these are all apostate. This would make them believers who went wrong, but if they never come back were they ever saved? But that those who believe that Jesus is not God, these are the ones with the spirit of the Anti-Christ and they cannot be pulled back from something they were never truly a part of, the body of Christ. blessings abound, bowler |
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124 | Christians Apostate Same As Anit-Christ? | 1 Tim 4:1 | bowler | 206441 | ||
Immanuelsown Thank you for your thoughts Immanuelsown, I appreciate your point of view. I will stop after this but would be more than happy to hear more from you or others on the matter as it does edify me. I am looking at 2 Peter 2 and wondering if Peter is really talking about apostates and those who had the spirit of the Anti-Christ at the same time, that is grouping them together, or is he only talking about those with the spirit of the Anti-Christ? He speaks of those who creep in to the congregation to teach false things, heresies, denying the Christ as being the Christ. He speaks about them sinning immoralities and of reviling angelic majesties. This seems to contrast those whom Paul had described as being fallen away from the faith "apostate" as being not immoral, but forbiding from marriage, forbidding the eating of all foods, and as generally purporting that ascetisim is the way to "Christ". These apostates that Paul was speaking of did not preach another "Christ", they taught that the way to Him was through "denying the body" as Paul put it (see previous branch). This is why I keep seeming to try and make a disctinction between "apostate" and "spirit of the Anti-Christ". An "apostate" can be pulled back from destruction and "renewed to the faith", as those who believe false beliefs about how to make it to Christ and be "saved" (not so sure about this part, see Hebrews chapter 6?)- having less to do with continuing in sin than with "false doctrine" (that is according to one instance of Paul). One instance of Paul describing a sinner who had fallen away, "was apostate" was the man who had his father's wife in bed and lived with her. Paul speaks of "giving him over to Satan for the desctruction of his flesh in order to save his soul" - meaning this "apostate" could be pulled back from total desctruction and would still be "saved". That is two types of being "apostate". People who believe in the real Christ but "fall away". Being one with the spirit of the "Anti-Christ" is to preach another Christ and the fruits of such a person is that they will commit gross immoralities and as John says in I, II, III John they will keep the brethren out of the congregation and will not love their brothers by seeing to their needs and "their deeds are evidence that they are not His", and will try to go from house to house to get "things". But the major emphasis is that they preach another Christ, a false Christ. I do hear you about "apostates" being thrown out of churches. States punish apostates? I thought the church was in authority over what happens to "apostates" in Christianity. Maybe you mean "foreign states of other relgions in other nations". A good question remains - at what point do we say that a "former believer" was ever saved? How could one be "former"? One is either a believer who repented and asked for salvation or they aren't, there is no gray area that gets created because they fall into the next sin and have trouble with it. Once saved always saved, by faith alone, by grace alone, the Sola's. Another good question might then be, is one who fell and never turns around to repent and get back up ever said to have been a "former believer"? Many have no patience for that waiting period, saying it was too long, and decide that person was never saved and then call them "apostate", but you had to believe at first in order to "fall away", not be an unbeliever (former believer?). blessings abound, bowler |
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125 | Four Missionary Journeys? | 2 Tim 1:1 | bowler | 206987 | ||
Rolff I am still confused as I read through this branch. We have here maybe there was no fourth missionary journey. Maybe the fourth missionary journey happened after Paul got arrested in Acts and it was on his way to Rome while being shipwrecked. Maybe it was after the first imprisonment ended in about the end of 62 A.D. to the beginning of 63 A.D., where there was about a 3 to 5 year gap without a Biblical record of what he did other than the letters themselves, before he went to prison for the final time in about 66 A.D. to 68 A.D. Judging from the content of the letters he wrote after getting out of prison alone, I would not be certain what happened for sure, although my trusty NASB has decided it is certain that there was one. Looking at the journey being shipwrecked on the way to Rome the first time it is hard on the brain to think that while under arrest and perhaps only hitting the island of Miletus that this is when he was on a fourth journey writting letters that did not get written until he got out of prison... No one purported that that is just my brain. The NASB makes the ascertion that his "fourth" missionary journey took place in between the two prison terms, which makes more sense. There is lack of letters saying where abouts he was in the interim there and that he was making visits to the churches as being a more definitive barrometer to say there was a fourth journey during that time. Which is why I will stay confused. But I encourage everyone else to be sure :-).! blessings abound, bowler |
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126 | Speculation? | 2 Tim 2:23 | bowler | 206784 | ||
beja Thank you for your response. Am I to understand that where Paul was speaking of of not passing judgment on him in terms of regarding Apollos above Paul and then Paul says, "I have figuratively applied to myself and Apollos for your sakes, so that in us you may learn not to exceed what is written, so that no one will become arrogant in behalf of one against another", that you are taking an alternate application? Not a misinterpretation, I don't mean that at all, but from the original interpretation, a secondary application? Exceed what was written then as what was written about everything in scripture, and not as what was written about not judging Paul or Apollos? I can see you mean the former and not the latter. I like brain twisters but not everyone finds profit in that because they can't find an application in real life for the answers. There is no such thing as a scripture that does not have a current application that can be derived at from a literal interpretation. Which is why I like the brain teasers, to try to find out what that is going to be, all scripture is profitable, you just have to understand how for each one. Scripture has a lot of parts to what it takes to undertand it. Some things in scripture have that they are specific things God has done that have parts as to how it works according to what God has outlined. And some scriptures have different things that God has incorporated into what He has done that each break down into the rules He laid out for each part of each of the major things that went into His one decision. The actual scripture proscribing some particular thing to do about something God has insitituted does not always contain every single aspect of every single thing that God has outlined in scriptures as the parts of how the thing He is doing works, but the elements are in scripture in various other places directly outlined as having exactly to do with the single thing and how God operates its parts. I agree with you whole heartedly that going beyond what scripture actually says about something is going beyond "what is written". But, I think it is important to see what the whole canon of scriptures is saying about how all the parts of the major "thing" that are outlined in scripture work together to form how the "thing" actually works according to scripture. blessings abound, bowler |
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127 | Speculation? | 2 Tim 2:23 | bowler | 206842 | ||
Beja Thank you for a gracefull reply. I would not be interested in a debate as if we disagree either. You owe me nothing, but I sincerely thank you. I do see what you mean by your taking the text back a pace, I do see how it fits what you meant, I really do. I appreciate the time you took to get back to me. Thank you again. blessings abound, bowler |
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128 | Why is love philandros not agapao? | Titus 2:4 | bowler | 206975 | ||
Searcher What you are asking made me think about how verse 5 goes on to say for the wives to be subject to their own husbands. Is it possible that within the context of the marriage relationship Paul intends for the wife to love her husband in all senses? As in 1 Corinthians 7:3, 4? As that is part of marital love it might, I say might, be why Paul says "philandros" rather than "sophronizo"? As to the children and the husband both the word "philandros" makes me think of an intimate personal love full of affection, rather than the godly "agapao" love that comes from the strength which God supplies by the power of the Holy Spirit, but which does not imply "brotherly affection". I could be very wrong, I don't claim to be right. These are just my thoughts based on trying to understand how Paul views marriage in the various passages he writes about it in. blessings abound, bowler |
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129 | Why is love philandros not agapao? | Titus 2:4 | bowler | 206984 | ||
Immanuelsown I completely agree with you about this! What Searcher was asking about though was why "philandros" and not "agapao"? Not making an arugment with you at all as I agree whole heartedly with what you are saying. First let me apologize to you and to Searcher and to everyone else too. I think I said before I don't know everything and that I am a worthless son. This time I flubbed it major league, I didn't stop to look up every bit of it. The word "philandros" only appears once in the NT in this passage and means specifically wifely love for a husband. The word for women to love their children is "philoteknos" and only appears once in the NT this passage and means specifically love for your children. I completely flubbed applying the "agapaos" and "phileo" concept to this passage, I was dead wrong. Sorry for the mix up, next time I will look it all up first like I usually do before I post anything. blessings abound, bowler |
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130 | Heb6:4-6 Loosing salvation or what? | Heb 6:4 | bowler | 207721 | ||
Beja, I have read about half this branch and will take the time to reply to you tommorrow sometime first after church. I will address you regarding the criteria in your original question and how you broke that down again and again later through the thread. I promise to read the whole thread first. I plan to give you two scenarios, perhaps, most likely in different posts; one of how it means to some that you can lose your salvation, and a second one giving you a new alternative the the IF/THEN "problem". I promise to take the time to be careful to address your concerns as best I can, as I can see everyone most diligently did also do. I would like to add my two cents. Hebrews 5:11 Concering him we have much to say, and it is hard to explain, since you have become dull of hearing. blessings abound, bowler |
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131 | Heb6:4-6 Loosing salvation or what? | Heb 6:4 | bowler | 207726 | ||
Doc I read a lot through the hats issue, but if you have it could you please provide a branch number for this issue of hats as "Yes, it is easier to discuss the practice of gender dependent hat wearing than it is to deal with the whole question of submission in chapter 11". I read a lot about hats before posting beja with an intention to reply to him for the first time on his issue here. I could not seem to find a discussion centering on what you mention here. Could you help me out?:-) John 14:16 I will ask the Father, and He will give another Helper, that He may be with you forever. blessings abound, bowler |
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132 | Heb6:4-6 Loosing salvation or what? | Heb 6:4 | bowler | 207738 | ||
Beja Oh my Jesus, I meant no such barb to you, having truly, as I said, I have not yet had a chance to read the whole "thread" as you call it. I am truly dissapointed about this I really had something constructive to say to you, and not in the way of telling you that you "do not truly believe in once saved, always saved", and not in the way of "getting you to see the truth" either. I am highly dissapointed, I must say by the content of your post here, but not at all in you, or any one else, but that somehow a purely exegetical question asked on the grounds of using critical forms to deduce a satisfying conclusion somehow digressed from your seeming intent into something, I don't know. I truly apologoze to you and anyone I may have inadvertantly offended, I have not as yet read all of the "thread". I simply choose some notes and answers to read and a very few of your repplies to try to see the jist of what got discussed. I have been gone for three days and had not at all seen this until I got back late last night from our annual church retreat. I am sorry myself, again, to see this post, you had very valid grammatical and historical concerns about this text and made it clear in the beginning your intent; that this was not about whether or not you believe the truth, because you do, but that it was about "getting to the heart of the true context", which I wanted to discuss with you today! I may actually have an answer for that! Alas! I will read the whole thread to try and understand what happened. But, I will respect your wishes and leave off posting at all about it with you, and for that matter with anyone else out of respect. I would like you to consider, just so you may know that I meant no barb to you, post number 207418, as to my intent in wanting to post to you. I would also like to know is there some way off line from here we could communicate about this? I also believe the same thing you do about this passage and have a valid Bible study concern for getting the context first in order to try to see what a passage is really talking about, and based on that have one solution for you. I also have another site for you where you could discuss things like this on the level you have been trying to do, where exegesis in an orthodox sense of that term is the point of all discussions. 2 Timothy 2:15 Be diligent to present yourself approved of God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, accurately handling the word of truth. Ephesians 4:3 Being diligent to preserve the unity of the body in the Spirit in the bond of peace. blessings abound, bowler |
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133 | Heb6:4-6 Loosing salvation or what? | Heb 6:4 | bowler | 207743 | ||
Beja I rushed back in the house because I just realized what you might have thought the barb was!!!! My little verse in signing off on that last note I posted you goes to "context"! It was not meant as anything but a clue to you. I will read the whole thing including Tim Moran's "solution". blessings abound, bowler |
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134 | What Parts Makes Covenant Work? | Heb 9:16 | bowler | 206813 | ||
Steve Thank you. I would wonder if a Biblical source might contain Biblical explanation of Biblical concepts. Webster's? I am not out to disparage your efforts to find a source, I myself before and asking the question found absolutely, not one source for what constitutes the parts of what makes up a covenant. I had two posts looking at this concept of what elements, or rules comprise a covenant, this general one and the specific one about marriage. Those are some interesting elements you found though, food for thought - Mutual consent A written agreement as a contract God's commands, prohibitions, promises, obedience As you have outlined it would be that mutual consent is required as a written agreement of contract to obtain the promises of God or between church parties with the vairous prohibitions and obedience to the covenant. Thank you. blessings abound, bowler |
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135 | Does God Condone War Now? | Heb 11:33 | bowler | 208056 | ||
Doc Post number 192637 - Okay Doc I will drop it. I really was not interested in making others feel that there service to their country was or is not appreciated. Other people's way of life seems to get to be the point of every thing discussed here lately. What happened to Bible study for the sake of understanding the Bible? I am not suggesting that you are trying to put me in my place. What I am suggesting is that people step back and stop assuming that every single question has been asked on the basis of WHAT CHRISTIANS SHOULD BE DOING. There are other focuses to have as a reason to study the Bible, like what the Bible is saying on its own before we derive an interpretation of what to do, like what the Bible means in its parts on a given subject as separate from arguments that one or the other part is "right", or Biblical passages that are in them selves theologically or grammatically "problematic". The Bible was not just given to us to know what to do, that is a narrow view of the Bible and Bible study. When others, not saying you, decide that the only thing a person should be doing is to find out what the applicaiton of a given text is, they are limiting the participation of others by pushing their view that that is all the Bible is for. As well the gracious hosts of this forum describe it as an "expository repository". I don't think that everyone is aware from the tone of their posts, not in refuting "erroneous" views, but in "ignoring the context of questions", that "expository" means to study the Bible line by line to get at the author's intent in writing his audience. The author having an intent in writing comes before that author's intent of "what people should do" they are not the same thing. It is not right that we cannot all disccus every aspect of the Bible in all its complexity. The Bible is not a simple child's primer with instructions on how to live - there are treasures there, depths to plumb, mysteries to unfold, things to understand by the grace of God to uplift the soul and to bring men to the repentance of Jesus Christ. I will leave off the question I had since your post at the end, although I do not presuppose that is all you meant for me to get out of it, tells the other person you posted to cease and desist (paraphrasing). blessings abound, bowler |
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136 | Isaiah Sawn In Two? | Heb 11:37 | bowler | 206818 | ||
Searcher Thank you, can you name the source? I am having a lot of trouble finding the source. blessings abound, bowler |
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137 | In James 1:21 I am to fill the blanks. | James 1:21 | bowler | 206444 | ||
gatterson No offense to you but perhaps if you just study the verse a bit, the anwers will become self evident? Is this for school of a Bible class or something? 2 Timothy 2:15 - please consider studying this verse in the name of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ who died for both you and me. blessings abound, bowler |
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138 | Suffering For The Sake Of Christ? | 1 Pet 4:12 | bowler | 206404 | ||
Searcher Yes I see about suffering for Christ in terms of for the gospel as all your scriptures are about, that is the proclaimation of it. My marriage is actualy pretty good considering, been a long time together! What I meant by "I am struggling with things considered to be suffering for the sake of Christ" is I was struggling with the scriptures themselves. I do know a brother in church who is struggling in his marriage because his wife is an ubeliever, and he was told that "obeying Christ", doing Ephesians 5 and all that entails, and still encountering problems, that his suffering is not "suffering for the sake of Christ" because it is not for the proclaimation of the gospel. Mathew 5:10-12 seems to be about suffering for being a disciple, but I see how would apply that in a sense to being married to an unbeliever who is unbearable to be with. blessings abound, bowler |
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139 | Suffering For The Sake Of Christ? | 1 Pet 4:12 | bowler | 206405 | ||
Cody Mac Suffering for Christ as if it is His fault? A little confused how that would work. Perhaps you meant suffering for Christ's sake because He suffered for us? There shouldn't be anything to suffer if we do the work of Christ? I think Peter says we are called to suffer because we are Christians somewhere. I agree that if the spouse talks down to you about you doing the work you are suffering for Christ. Thank you for your thoughts here. blessings abound, bowler |
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140 | Suffering For The Sake Of Christ? | 1 Pet 4:12 | bowler | 206414 | ||
Cody Mac I hear you about suffering physicaly, being perscuted for the faith like as if we were over seas and being hunted. I see where my confusion was now about what you were really saying about kinds of suffering there are. I also see what you are saying about doing His work that we are not always suffering just because we do it. blessings abound, bowler |
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