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121 | The Sons of God in Genesis 6:1-4 | Genesis | Love Fountain | 31367 | ||
Dear Jesusman, Gen 6:1-2 The sons of God (bene 'Elohim)... daughters of men. Wickedness was increasing on every hand. Cain's descendants became exceedingly godless and pagan. A powerful race of giants, called "Nephilim," came into prominence. The verb (napal), "to fall," has been considered the source of the noun, and so these gigantic creatures have been thought of as "fallen ones." The reference to the (bene 'Elohim) has occasioned marked differences of opinion among scholars. ('Elohim) is plural in form. It is usually translated "God." But it can be translated "gods," as, for instance, when it refers to the gods of the heathen neighbors of Israel. It can, also, denote the heavenly circle of beings in close fellowship with Jehovah, residents of heaven, assigned specific duties as God's assistants (see Job 1:6). In some cases in Scripture "sons of God" may be identified with "angels" or "messengers." Jesus is the Son of God in a unique sense. Believers are called "sons of God" because of their relationship to him. In the OT, however, "sons of God" are a special class of beings that make up the heavenly court. The reference to the marriages of (bene 'Elohim) to the daughters of men has been dealt with in many ways. To translate it literally would make the passage say that members of the heavenly company selected choice women from the earth and set up marriage relationships with them, literally and actually. This can be the only interpretation of Job 1:6. There, the (bene 'Elohim) were plainly the members of God's heavenly court. S. R. Driver maintains that this is the only legitimate and correct sense that can be accepted. (from The Wycliffe Bible Commentary, Electronic Database. Copyright (c) 1962 by Moody Press) Bless you, Love Fountain |
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122 | Call those things that are not | Bible general Archive 1 | Love Fountain | 31360 | ||
Dear EdB, You said, "While that may be true I do not believe God intended that to be. I believe the problem comes when we read and take things out of context, read with a prejudices or preconceived notions, or read violating established rules of grammar. That is not to say the Bible was never intended to speak to us an individuals but as far as doctrines precepts, statues, commandments, and knowing Gods ways if we will apply sound language skills, keeping everything in context, and without preconceived notions I believe we will all arrive at the same conclusions." EdB, I do agree with you, but I believe the most important thing that we can do is read and search for understanding with all our heart. If men would put aside their papers of intelligence and rely foremost on the Holy Spirit with a sincere heart I believe we would not have so much division in the world today. Bless you, Love Fountain |
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123 | Call those things that are not | Bible general Archive 1 | Love Fountain | 31359 | ||
Dear Mother, I thought about the following verse after we spoke last. Jer 29:13 13 And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart. KJV Bless you, Love Fountain |
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124 | Doubleminded? | Ps 119:113 | Love Fountain | 31355 | ||
Dear Searcher56, Thanks for your response. One of the verses you suggested I find great interest in because it tells a double minded person how to be purified. James 4:8 8 Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded. KJV Draw near to God's word and absorb it into your heart and be cleansed, is what I understand as the cure to doublemindedness. Bless you, Love Fountain |
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125 | Taught of the Spirit today? | Rom 14:13 | Love Fountain | 31354 | ||
Dear sheri42, It's great to hear from you. It is a challenge to maintain what you have learned, only because sometimes we being imperfect do make mistakes. I have made many mistakes and still do, but Christ knows the heart and if your intentions are true. Bless you in your search, Love Fountain |
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126 | Taught of the Spirit today? | Col 3:23 | Love Fountain | 31351 | ||
Dear Mommapbs, I am very happy things worked out in the situation you found yourself in with your friend. If we seek the applause of men or women we will have big problems, glad the Father reminded you to give your burdens to Him. Bless you in your search, Love Fountain |
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127 | The Sons of God in Genesis 6:1-4 | Genesis | Love Fountain | 31349 | ||
Dear Servent7, Forgive me for butting in. I just want to let you know that it gives me hope to hear you and Discipled searching and understanding with your hearts. At times it is very easy to feel alone and then we hear another who speaks with the voice of love and compassion for all. Blessings to you! The following verses help me to understand when something seems so clear and yet is not. Bless you, Love Fountain Ezek 3:1-11 Ezekiel 3 3:1 Moreover he said unto me, Son of man, eat that thou findest; eat this roll, and go speak unto the house of Israel. 2 So I opened my mouth, and he caused me to eat that roll. 3 And he said unto me, Son of man, cause thy belly to eat, and fill thy bowels with this roll that I give thee. Then did I eat it; and it was in my mouth as honey for sweetness. 4 And he said unto me, Son of man, go, get thee unto the house of Israel, and speak with my words unto them. 5 For thou art not sent to a people of a strange speech and of an hard language, but to the house of Israel; 6 Not to many people of a strange speech and of an hard language, whose words thou canst not understand. Surely, had I sent thee to them, they would have hearkened unto thee. 7 But the house of Israel will not hearken unto thee; for they will not hearken unto me: for all the house of Israel are impudent and hardhearted. 8 Behold, I have made thy face strong against their faces, and thy forehead strong against their foreheads. 9 As an adamant harder than flint have I made thy forehead: fear them not, neither be dismayed at their looks, though they be a rebellious house. 10 Moreover he said unto me, Son of man, all my words that I shall speak unto thee receive in thine heart, and hear with thine ears. 11 And go, get thee to them of the captivity, unto the children of thy people, and speak unto them, and tell them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; whether they will hear, or whether they will forbear. KJV |
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128 | The Sons of God in Genesis 6:1-4 | Genesis | Love Fountain | 31348 | ||
Dear Discipled, Thanks for thinking of me. Regarding the thread on tongues, I think I will wait that one out for a while yet. Tongues is another one of those that man has made more complicated than it actually is. Catch you later. Bless you, Love Fountain |
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129 | The Sons of God in Genesis 6:1-4 | Genesis | Love Fountain | 31346 | ||
Dear Discipled, I think you can go to update user info under the heading of information to the left side of the web page. Hope this helps. Bless you, Love Fountain |
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130 | The Sons of God in Genesis 6:1-4 | Genesis | Love Fountain | 31259 | ||
Dear Radioman, My heart goes out to you. I hope the pain within your heart is healed. Bless you, Love Fountain |
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131 | The Sons of God in Genesis 6:1-4 | Genesis | Love Fountain | 31255 | ||
Dear Tim, I am confused by your response, "If the line of Seth was unable to survive past the flood, would not the same be true of the Nephilim? So, no matter who the Sons of God were, their offspring must have perished during the flood!" I read what Discipled wrote and he didn't say Seth's line was unable to survive the flood. We do know for sure that Seth's line survived the flood, in the being of Noah. He is asking Jesusman to support his position that instead of angels taking wives of men, Jesusman has chosen to believe that the giants are a by product of the descendants of Cain and Adam mixing blood lines. Discipled also addressed your question regarding whether or not the Nephilim(giants) made it through the flood by quoting Gen 6:4 Gen 6:4 4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown. NAS The above verse says Nephilim were on the earth in those days(Noah's days before the flood) and also afterward (this implies after the flood) as Discipled already stated. By the understanding of Gen 6:4 it appears there were two irruption of angels and the after the flood trace is also stated in Gen 6:4 by the fact that they became the mighty men(gibbor), men of old is how we can find them(giants) after the flood in Scripture. Bless you, Love Fountain |
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132 | The Sons of God in Genesis 6:1-4 | Genesis | Love Fountain | 31243 | ||
Support.................... SONS OF GOD (Old Testament) (bene ha-'elohim, "sons of God" (Gen 6:2,4; Job 1:6; 2:1); bene 'elohim, "sons of God" (Job 38:7); 1. Job and Psalms: This article will deal with this phrase as it is used in the above passages. In the passages from Job and Psalms it is applied to supernatural beings or angels. In Job the "sons of God" are represented as appearing before the throne of Yahweh in heaven, ready to do Him service, and as shouting for joy at the creation of the earth, In the Psalms they are summoned to celebrate the glory of Yahweh, for there is none among them to be compared to Him. The phrase in these passages has no physical or moral reference. These heavenly beings are called "sons of God" or "sons of the 'elohim" simply as belonging to the same class or guild as the 'elohim, just as "sons of the prophets" denotes those who belong to the prophetic order (see A.B. Davidson, Commentary on Job 1:6). 2. Gen 6:2,4: Different views, however, are taken of the passage in Gen 6:2,4: "The sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all that they chose ..... The Nephilim were in the earth in those days, and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men." See GIANTS; NEPHILIM. (1) "Sons of God" is interpreted as referring to men, (a) to sons of the nobles, who married daughters of the common people. This is the view of many Jewish authorities, who hold that it is justified by the use of 'elohim in the sense of "judges" (Ex 21:6; 22:8 f, etc.). But this cannot be the meaning of 'elohim here, for when 'adham, "men," is used to denote the lower classes, it is contrasted with 'ish, as in Ps 49:2 (3 in Heb), not with 'elohim. When contrasted with 'elohim it signifies the human race. (b) Some commentators hold that by "sons of God" is to be understood the pious race descended from Seth, and by "daughters of men" the daughters of worldly men. These commentators connect the passage with Gen 4:25 f, where the race of Seth is characterized as the worshippers of Yahweh and is designated as a whole, a seed (compare Deut 14:1; 32:5; Hos 1:10 (2:1 in Heb)). They consider the restricted meaning they put upon "men" as warranted by the contrast (compare Jer 32:20; Isa 43:4), and that as the term "daughters" expresses actual descent, it is natural to understand "sons" in a similar sense. The phrase "took wives," they contend also, supports the ethical view, being always used to signify real and lasting marriages, and cannot, therefore, be applied to the higher spirits in their unholy desire after flesh. On this view verses 1-4 are an introduction to the reason for the Flood, the great wickedness of man upon the earth (verse 5). It is held that nothing is said in verse 4 of a race of giants springing from the union of angels with human wives (see paragraph 2, below), and that the violence which is mentioned along with the corruption of the world (verse 11) refers to the sin of the giants. (2) Most scholars now reject this view and interpret "sons of God" as referring to supernatural beings in accordance with the meaning of the expression in the other passages. They hold that Deut 14:1, etc., cannot be regarded as supporting the ethical interpretation of the phrase in a historical narrative. The reference to Jer 32:20, etc., too, is considered irrelevant, the contrast in these passages being between Israel and other nations, not, as here, between men and God. Nor can a narrower signification (daughters of worldly men) be attached to "men" in verse 2 than to "men" in verse 1, where the reference is to the human race in general. This passage (Gen 6:1-4), therefore, which is the only one of its kind, is considered to be out of its place and to have been inserted here by the compiler as an introduction to the story of the Flood (verses 5-8). The intention of the original writer, however, was to account for the rise of the giant race of antiquity by the union of demigods with human wives. This interpretation accords with Enoch chapters 6-7, etc., and with Jude 6 f, where the unnatural sin of the men of Sodom who went after "strange flesh" is compared with that of the angels (compare 2 Peter 2:4 ff). (See Havernick, Introduction to the Pentateuch; Hengstenberg on the Pentateuch, I, 325; Oehler, Old Testament Theology, I, 196 f; Schultz, Old Testament Theology, I, 114 ff; Commentary on Genesis by Delitzsch, Dillmann, and Driver.) But see ANTEDILUVIANS, 3; CHILDREN OF GOD; GIANTS; NEPHILIM; REPHAIM. (from International Standard Bible Encyclopaedia, Electronic Database Copyright (c)1996 Bless you, Love Fountain |
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133 | The Massorah? | OT general | Love Fountain | 31191 | ||
Dear Tim, One thing definitely appears to be true is that anything man puts his hands on becomes soiled. I believe we must utilize all resources we can. Bless you, Love Fountain |
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134 | The Sons of God in Genesis 6:1-4 | Genesis | Love Fountain | 31190 | ||
Dear Tim, The view you read was probably from me in reference to the future. I don't think we have seen the last of bad angels. Anyways, you state, My only concern was a post I read earlier, I don't recall whose it was, which suggested that this might be important for the future. That view I would disagree with. As I read it, if the angels did produce children, then (according to Jude 6) they have been "locked up" and will not be a problem again. It is true those angels are locked up, but I don't recall ever getting a count on how many bad angels there actually are. The future will clear everything up and this is one thing I am sure all can agree with. Bless you, Love Fountain |
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135 | The Massorah? | OT general | Love Fountain | 31169 | ||
Dear Tim, As I stated in another post, I was having trouble signing on as Love Fountain so I used Looking for Truth which was a name I used before. Anyway, I went to the site you recommended, thanks for the referral. You state,"The unpointed version is what you are referring to. However, this fixed text has been found to contain errors which were perpetuated by the Massorah itself." Can you please provide specific information suporting this statement, I am very interested in the errors perpetuated by the Massorah itself? Bless you, Love Fountain |
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136 | The Sons of God in Genesis 6:1-4 | Genesis | Love Fountain | 31159 | ||
Dear Tim, Also, I believe we don't have to worry about angels coming back and having kids again because the full term of pregnancy is 9 months and they only have 5 months. Rev 9:3-5 3 And out of the smoke locusts came down upon the earth and were given power like that of scorpions of the earth. 4 They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any plant or tree, but only those people who did not have the seal of God on their foreheads. 5 They were not given power to kill them, but only to torture them for five months. (from New International Version) Rev 9:7-11 7 The locusts looked like horses prepared for battle. On their heads they wore something like crowns of gold, and their faces resembled human faces. 8 Their hair was like women's hair, and their teeth were like lions' teeth. 9 They had breastplates like breastplates of iron, and the sound of their wings was like the thundering of many horses and chariots rushing into battle. 10 They had tails and stings like scorpions, and in their tails they had power to torment people for five months. 11 They had as king over them the angel of the Abyss, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon, and in Greek, Apollyon. (from New International Version) Bless you, Love Fountain |
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137 | The Sons of God in Genesis 6:1-4 | Genesis | Love Fountain | 31158 | ||
Dear Tim, Forgive me for using two names, for some reason I could not log onto the forum lastnight as Love Fountain for sometime so I used Looking for Truth which was a name I used a while back. I do not understand what is so hard for you and others to accept that fallen angels came and took women for wives and had children with them. Please read the following, Genesis 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. The sons of God (bene'Elohim)... daughters of men. Wickedness was increasing on every hand. Cain's descendants became exceedingly godless and pagan. A powerful race of giants, called "Nephilim," came into prominence. The verb (napal), "to fall," has been considered the source of the noun, and so these gigantic creatures have been thought of as "fallen ones." The reference to the (bene 'Elohim) has occasioned marked differences of opinion among scholars. ('Elohim) is plural in form. It is usually translated "God." But it can be translated "gods," as, for instance, when it refers to the gods of the heathen neighbors of Israel. It can, also, denote the heavenly circle of beings in close fellowship with Jehovah, residents of heaven, assigned specific duties as God's assistants (see Job 1:6). In some cases in Scripture "sons of God" may be identified with "angels" or "messengers." Jesus is the Son of God in a unique sense. Believers are called "sons of God" because of their relationship to him. In the OT, however, "sons of God" are a special class of beings that make up the heavenly court. The reference to the marriages of (bene 'Elohim) to the daughters of men has been dealt with in many ways. To translate it literally would make the passage say that members of the heavenly company selected choice women from the earth and set up marriage relationships with them, literally and actually. This can be the only interpretation of Job 1:6. There, the (bene 'Elohim) were plainly the members of God's heavenly court. S. R. Driver maintains that this is the only legitimate and correct sense that can be accepted. Jesus' reply to the Sadducees, in Matt 22:30, seems to make this view untenable. He said that the angels "neither marry nor are given in marriage." The statement in Gen 6:2 makes it clear that permanent marriage is described. Women were chosen and forced to become parties to the unnatural relationship. Bible students who have rejected this solution have resorted to other explanations. Some have said that a union of Seth's godly line with Cain's godless descendants is described. Still others hold that these words refer to marriage between persons of the upper class of society and those of a lower or less worthy class. In the light of the facts and the accurate rendering of the words of the text, we conclude that some men of the heavenly group (angels or messengers) actually took wives of the earthly women. They used superior force to overpower them, to make the conquest complete. The "sons of God" were irresistible (cf. 2 Peter 2:4 Jude 6). from The Wycliffe Bible Commentary, Electronic Database. Copyright (c) 1962 by Moody Press) Bless you, Love Fountain |
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138 | The Sons of God in Genesis 6:1-4 | Genesis | Love Fountain | 31157 | ||
Dear Jesusman, Forgive me for using two names, for some reason I could not log onto the forum lastnight as Love Fountain for sometime so I used Looking for Truth which was a name I used a while back. Anyway, I do not play left field, I play shortstop but no offence is taken. I do not understand what is so hard for you and others to accept that fallen angels came and took women for wives and had children with them. Please read the following, Genesis 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. The sons of God (bene 'Elohim)... daughters of men. Wickedness was increasing on every hand. Cain's descendants became exceedingly godless and pagan. A powerful race of giants, called "Nephilim," came into prominence. The verb (napal), "to fall," has been considered the source of the noun, and so these gigantic creatures have been thought of as "fallen ones." The reference to the (bene 'Elohim) has occasioned marked differences of opinion among scholars. ('Elohim) is plural in form. It is usually translated "God." But it can be translated "gods," as, for instance, when it refers to the gods of the heathen neighbors of Israel. It can, also, denote the heavenly circle of beings in close fellowship with Jehovah, residents of heaven, assigned specific duties as God's assistants (see Job 1:6). In some cases in Scripture "sons of God" may be identified with "angels" or "messengers." Jesus is the Son of God in a unique sense. Believers are called "sons of God" because of their relationship to him. In the OT, however, "sons of God" are a special class of beings that make up the heavenly court. The reference to the marriages of (bene 'Elohim) to the daughters of men has been dealt with in many ways. To translate it literally would make the passage say that members of the heavenly company selected choice women from the earth and set up marriage relationships with them, literally and actually. This can be the only interpretation of Job 1:6. There, the (bene 'Elohim) were plainly the members of God's heavenly court. S. R. Driver maintains that this is the only legitimate and correct sense that can be accepted. Jesus' reply to the Sadducees, in Matt 22:30, seems to make this view untenable. He said that the angels "neither marry nor are given in marriage." The statement in Gen 6:2 makes it clear that permanent marriage is described. Women were chosen and forced to become parties to the unnatural relationship. Bible students who have rejected this solution have resorted to other explanations. Some have said that a union of Seth's godly line with Cain's godless descendants is described. Still others hold that these words refer to marriage between persons of the upper class of society and those of a lower or less worthy class. In the light of the facts and the accurate rendering of the words of the text, we conclude that some men of the heavenly group (angels or messengers) actually took wives of the earthly women. They used superior force to overpower them, to make the conquest complete. The "sons of God" were irresistible (cf. 2 Peter 2:4 Jude 6). (from The Wycliffe Bible Commentary, Electronic Database. Copyright (c) 1962 by Moody Press) Jesus loves you too!, Bless you, Love Fountain |
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139 | Are the "sons of God" pre-Fall children? | Gen 6:2 | Love Fountain | 30777 | ||
Dear Participants of this thread, The responses from this question have helped me to understand a question that was previously asked on this forum,"Why do things happen in thirds?" My response after reading this thread would be that one third choose the truth, one third choose the lie and one third choose not to make a choice. The funniest things happen to me sometimes, recently when I was listening to the radio there were lyrics in a song that said,"even though they don't make a choice, they still have made a choice." In my opinion to not make a choice would be to not acknowledge or pursue the truth and allow the lie to stay which I feel may be just as bad as believing the lie. Anyways not to change the subject, I just wanted to share something I learned by reading and observing this thread. Staying Neutral, Love Fountain |
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140 | Kin, too much ritual in baptism? | 1 Cor 12:13 | Love Fountain | 29976 | ||
Dear Kin, Sorry it has taken me so long to get back to you. Hope you are having a Happy New Year! I would like to hear more of what you have to say and I am not in a hurry. I also am a simple person. I have two questions for you, How do you believe the right way to be baptized is for the forgivness of sins? -and- You say," I don't believe works saves you", what are works to you?, and what does "Faith without works is dead" mean to you? I agree with some of your doctrine but not all of it and this is why I ask some questions so we have ground to speak on. Forgive me if sometimes I may seem to nitpick words or the way of a wording, but I heard the Word and always believed in God in my heart but never thought twice about Him or Jesus and then one day a friend at work planted a seed in me. I talked with my friend a few more times and even went to his house for a bible study. We went right into Revelation and my mind was blown at what it said, so much that I started reading the Bible for myself. I didn't talk again to my friend for two and a half years after that because I switched companies, but the whole time I kept reading, not really understanding but seeking to understand. Just before I contacted my friend again after two and a half years of reading, one morning I woke up and couldn't sleep, it was a Saturday at about 5 in the morning, so I got up and went to read. I don't remember exactly what I was reading but for the first time the Words of God seemed to be personally written to me and I was comforted like I had never before been. Next thing I knew I was crying on the couch thanking God for forgiving me and loving me and for accepting me. Up until that point I had never repented verbally outloud, but within my mind and my heart is where my repentance was and God heard me and searched within my heart for the sincerity that only He could understand. I believe in faith and obedience in the Word too, but I believe our work is to search for the Truth, seeking to understand His will and once this is truly done with a sincere heart, I believe the Word will open up and comfort us in ways my words cannot describe. When you said,"God commands to be baptized", it is my personal belief that baptism is a washing, but a washing of the heart with the Words of Truth, not being sprinkled, poured or immersed with or within physical water but a cleansing with spiritual water that comes through Jesus, reading the Words from the Father, who is the fountain of living water(Jer 2:13) . Anyway, please answer my questions and I'll do my best to answer any you have. Bless you, Love Fountain |
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