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101 | When did the day of worship change? | Acts | userdoe220 | 18905 | ||
I will check out the website. Sounds interesting. I will have to get back to you later on the rest. |
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102 | When did the day of worship change? | Acts | userdoe220 | 18916 | ||
I know writing is an artfrom that I do not fully possess. I know that comments, although not intended to be rude, can be interpreted as such when read even thought that was not the authors intent. I have been accused of being "short" with people when I respond, because sometimes I do so hastily--I work 50 plus hours a week at EDS and sometimes I will fire off a note without doing a whole lot of proof reading. There is no rush on the response. The weekend is coming up and I have a number of things I have to get done so, I will unlikely have an opportunity before Monday to come back to the discussion. Got to run schwartzkm |
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103 | Is there middle ground? | Romans | userdoe220 | 21714 | ||
Calvanism equals all things Arminianism equals some things Calvminian equals most things. The middle between "all" and "some" is "most" :-) Just trying to be funny. |
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104 | Is there middle ground? | Romans | userdoe220 | 21731 | ||
I would agree with you on this issue. that was my poor attempt at humor. I know Geisler has attempted to strike a "middle" ground position in this debate in his book, Chosen but Free. I know Lionstrong did not like the book and I felt Geisler was attempting to merge Calvanism with Armenian but nevertheless at least he recognizes the difficulties present in this debate. |
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105 | Is there middle ground? | Romans | userdoe220 | 21736 | ||
I will check the book out. I have promised Lionstrong that I would read White's book and I might as well add another one to the list. |
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106 | Is there middle ground? | Romans | userdoe220 | 21805 | ||
Weather we like it or not, Truth divides people (perceived or real truth). "...what is this morbid desire to know the theoretical extent of the application of the blood of Christ?" I don't think "morbid" is the word I would use to describe a desire to know the extent of Christ’s sacrifice. God created man with an intense desire to explore and make sense of the universe around him; that desire has poured into Theology. I think the problem with this curiosity lies when people feel they have hit the gold mine of truth and everyone who disagrees with them is either ignorant (that has been implied countless times. I remember one thread where someone made fun of a persons grammer and spelling! Talk about a red-herring.) or they are not applying correct hermeneutical tactics when approaching the scripture (I wish I had a nickel every time someone used the phrase “In context the passage really means…”), or you just don’t really understand what Calvin or Armenius taught (Usually what they are saying is they know more about what Calvin taught than….lets say Norman Geisler as a recent example of my latest debate on this issue.). Which I always wondered, having read a number of Norman Geisler’s books and listened to some of his debates, how they would fare in a debate with him on what Calvin taught? I am sure not well but I digress. Sometimes each point mentioned above is used legitimately during a debate. There are times when I don’t understand a person’s shade of calvanism, but that does not mean I have not wrestled with the issue and am not “in the know” as to what Calvinist generally believe. I recently read a book that covers the 3 major views on Calvanism concerning predestination and election! If there are 3 major views on Calvanism, I wonder how many variants of those three views exist? Sad to say, many times the tactics sited above is used as a subtle jab against their opponent attempting to attack their credibility to help aid in their “winning” the debate. After all, who would listen to someone who doesn’t know how to interpret scripture correctly and has no idea as to what Calvin really taught? I am sure that is what you feel is “morbid” about the C and A debate. I don’t mind lively, spirited discussions between C and A’s but we as believers must take the high-ground when debating and not use some of the more un-Christ like debate tactics taught in college and high-school debate teams. Our purpose should not be to “win” a debate but to arrive at truth. Just my 1 cent in this matter |
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107 | A Wonderful Plan? How do you know? | Rom 1:18 | userdoe220 | 20314 | ||
First, the verse you throw out—and probably most that you use to backup that God as micro-managed the universe—refers to a nation not to a particular individual. Isa 14:21-32 This passage reverts more particularly to the fall of historical Babylon in 539, and the permanent extinction of her power and posterity. As a confirmation beforehand of this promise concerning Babylon, the Lord foretold the more immediate disaster to the armies of Assyria (the suzerain of Babylon at the time) in Palestine (v. 25), which took place upon Sennacherib's invasion of 701 B.C. All these disasters to neighboring nations would demonstrate the irresistible power of the one true God, the God of Israel (vv. 24,27). (from The Wycliffe Bible Commentary, Electronic Database. Copyright (c) 1962 by Moody Press) God can have evil/good plans in store for a nation and bless individuals within that nation He is judging. Look at Jeremiah’s life. He was mightily used of God (Great plan for his life), yet suffered the fate of exile with his brethren, Israel. Second, if the Gospel is for all people—I am one that believes it is—than God does have a wonderful plan for those who choose to bow their knee to the Lordship of Christ! That plan (pre-determined destination in life Eph 1) is ultimately the changing of that individual into the likeness of Jesus Christ. What better plan can be promised to an individual? So, yes, I can with full assurance tell someone on the street that “God does have a wonderful plan for their life.” |
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108 | response | Rom 1:18 | userdoe220 | 20483 | ||
I am just answering your question, "How can I say to a person that God has a wonderful plan for their life?" It is simple...If they bow their knee to the Lordship of Christ, God will unfold a wonderful plan for their life--Salvation! I agree with every passage you qouted, but yet none of the above passages prove the micr-management of God's creation. Lets look at each of them in context. Matt 10:29...Sure God knows when 2 sparrows are sold for a cent, but that doesn't mean God decreed the selling of those sparrows from the beginning of eternity or controlled/bartered the price of them. This whole passage, in context, is Jesus instructing us that God knows what we are going through--he is not ambivous to our troubles. Luke 12:6,7 Same point as above different book. God cares for his children and is worried about their welfare--John Calvin would say that this passage is "Anthropormorphic". This is a passage of how God cares for his children! This does not mean that God has pre-determined the catastrophes that have fallen upon man from the beginning of time! That we are acting out the great cosmic script created from the beginning of eternity. As far as your O.T. reference goes, Sure, if a nation willingly chooses to reject God's plan, in the O.T. judgement will follow! Look at the prophetic passages Jeremiah, Hosea, Jonah etc., the sole responsibility of judgemnt and judgement sustained is placed on the offenders not some eternal script the nationis acting out hiding under the mis-understood doctrine of Soveriegnty (God did not pre determine that Israel would sin and be dispersed in 7xx bc. They of their own free will chose to reject God, therefore God acted upon what he told them would happent in Dt. 28 and 29). The passages you used above have nothing to do with soverignty as you understand it. It has everything to do with God's knowledge--and I will dare to say affection--for his children. It does not mean he will magically remove us from the situation and get us out of the probelm--although he has done that--but it does mean that he will be there with us emphathizing with us through the problems we face in life. Finally, I would agree with you that God can have a specific plan for a particular individual--Judas Iscariot comes to mind. But that does not mean that God dictated every event of Judas' life and neither does he dictate every event of our life. I know poeple who have felt that God had called them to the mission field. I believe that is a divine plan from God. However, God has not dictated how they perform ministry in that Country. I don't think in God's cosmic script in the sky created before time that he said "on Dec 24, 1999 they are going to do this skit and...Yeah! lets only have 2 families show up. That should teach them a valuable lesson on humilty." End scene 54 act 2. |
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109 | Ninevah did. | Rom 1:18 | userdoe220 | 20484 | ||
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110 | Ninevah did. | Rom 1:18 | userdoe220 | 20506 | ||
I must have selected the wrong option button. I meant to hit note. Well, since my intent was not that obvious I will state it a little clearer. My intent is to stir up the forum a bit :-) on the question of Ninevah's repentance found in the book of Jonah. Did Ninevah change God's mind through their act of repentance or did God determine all along that Ninevah was going to repent and decided to dupe Jonah into thinking that His judgement was coming immediatley? Tough question that has come up in many of Sunday School classes. |
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111 | Reformed and Arminian Gospel Preaching | Rom 1:18 | userdoe220 | 20546 | ||
Which one is reformed and which one is armenian? | ||||||
112 | Ninevah did. | Rom 1:18 | userdoe220 | 20548 | ||
Just baiting the forum. Trying to get some activity :-) | ||||||
113 | response | Rom 1:18 | userdoe220 | 20550 | ||
You throw out passages many of which are taken out of context which means they are a proof text for you belief. This is the problem I have with Systamtic Theology: It usually starts off with an idea, pulls out the Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, completly ignores the passage context and moves on to the next point he/she is trying to make. Is 46 will be answered in another post...In context. Rom 8:28. What is God's purpose in context? To be shaped and fashioned into the image of God. Not to fulfill some eternal decree where we act out some cosmic script in the sky. Please read teh remaining verses: verse 29. Whom he FOREKNEW (notice this comes first in Paul's mind), He also predestined (pre-determined something. What could that be?) to BE CONFORMED TO THE IMAGE OF HIS SON (emphasis is obviously mine :-) It wasn't some cosmic script that he created before time to determine who would be saved and who wouldn't. He has pre-determined that each believer that he forknew would accept his plan would also be Christ-like! "So will My word be which goes forth from My mouth; It will not return to Me empty, Without accomplishing WHAT I DESIRE, And without SUCEEDING IN THE MATTER FOR WHICH I SENT IT." --Isaiah 55:11 Of course when God declare that Israel will be judged for forsaken the covenant It will come to pass. I have no problem with that at all. The problem I have is that Israel's rebellion wasn't written down in a cosmic play for them to act out before time began. The plan laid forth in the law was simple: You obey me and I will bless you...YOu disobey and I will judge you. That is far fetched from saying that God has micro-organzied every detail of our lives. Exodus events. Does not prove that God dictated every event of PHaroh's life just the event that he determined would happen--the Exodus! God prophesied to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob that he would give them the promised land. In order for God to fulfill His purpose he would have to act in the affairs of man; However, it is a far stretch to say off of those passages that God orchestrates every minute detail of every persons life--even pharoh! I believe he moved on pharohs heart enough to fulfill his purposes and that is all. How can I word this? God has determined certain things to happen--Look at Bible Prophesy the Birth of Christ etc., in those circumstances, God will move in the affairs of men to ensure that his word will "Not return to me void (Is 55:11)." That does not mean he has scripted all of creation! To try to suggest such by using any of the above verses would do damage to the context of scripture. |
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114 | Ninevah did. | Rom 1:18 | userdoe220 | 20551 | ||
On a more personal note, EDS has announced to our group that they will be laying off a number of people the 15th of November. I have been layed off two times in the last 2 years and really don't want to repeat the expereince. I would def. appreciate your (as well as: Tim Morant, Lionstrong, Kalos, Casiv and the rest who post often on this forum) prayers in regard to this situation. Looking at the economy and being layed off in the fourth qaurter is unsettling to say the least. | ||||||
115 | response | Rom 1:18 | userdoe220 | 20552 | ||
c) In God's soveriegn plan, he has made us truly free to make the choices we will to make. God already knows what choices we will make--because he is omnisceint--but that does not mean he has scripted the choices we will make. Therefore, practically, there will be a choice a) and b) and God leaves it up to us to fulfill that choice (Look at Dt 28-29. God does give them two broad choices:life and death). Within those two broad categories can be many ways in which we live those two choices in our life--a myriad of possible options for us to choose from. God just happens to know which choices we will make therefore, nothing will take Him by suprise. Still not completly satisfied with that defintion which I am paraphrasing form Geisler's book Chosen but Free. This all boils down to the typical armenianist calvanist debate--Does God know because he has pre-orchestrated everything or does he know based off of his omniscience. I have read many different books on this subject from a Calvanistic perspective--can't find a modern armenianist who has published a book on this. I don't know about you but Armenius' work and Calvins' work has put me to sleep :-) on many different occasions-- I admit there are passages that are difficult to work into my position, but at least I admit that! The only Calvanist I have ever read that admits what I admit is Geisler in his book Chosen but Free. He admits that "my passages" that I use to back up my opinion make it very difficult for his position as well! That is something I did not find in books published by Charles Ryrie, Wayne Gruden, Zane Hodges on this subject. By the way, Joe, do you know of a book published by a person from an Armenianist perspective that hasn't been dead for 300 plus years? I must admit that I don't own one book on this subject, or commentary on these passages, by an Aremenianist. :-) Funny , Huh! I enjoy the dialoge with you and lionstrong. I am reminded of the passage, "Iron sharpens Iron" and feel you have def., through many posts, given me something to think about. |
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116 | response | Rom 1:18 | userdoe220 | 20563 | ||
Thanks for your perspective on Geisler's book. I, too, felt that Geisler was trying to shape reforemed theology in the image of armenian. Why? I think we might disagree on this, I think Geisler (who is an intellectual) like myself (up for extreme debate on weather I am one) have seen the lack of evidence and the proof text offered by Calvanist to justify their belief in sovereignty and free will debate. I don't pretend to have all the answers on this subject in my back pocket, but was pleased to see Geisler was admitting that he too felt the same way! He pointed out and made an attempt to reconcile some major contradictions in reformed thought. (which I feel was heavily influenced by platonic philosophy not the scriptures.) I will def. check out the book you have recommended after I finally read a book published by an Armenianist author on this issue. I feel 5-0 is pretty lopsided affair and if I am not convinced yet I am not sure I will ever swing over to a reformed approach on this issue. Second comment about scholarship: When you have authors writing about the "lack of scholarship" in the Christian community I have to wonder what their motives are. Are they considering someone to not be a scholar because they don't agree with them on certain issues? Another words the , "If you were a real scholar, you would naturally come to the same conclusions I have concerning God" type books. If so they are just arrogant and not scholars. If not, I might be interested in looking at their books. I too see a lot of nonsense preached from the T.V and pulpits, but don't even attempt to lump them in as people who are even trying to be "scholars" of the Christian faith. In fact they would probably be the first to admit that they are not scholars. In some sense I think the church has too many "scholars" and not enough people actually "doing" the work of the ministry. It seems like all people want to do is debate about what Christianiy is and never practice it ( I don't mind the debate part as long as the other half is equally in place). I asked my pastor recently why he spent 8 years in college to study the scriptures and how to effectively do ministry and he hides in the church 7 days a week and never does what Paul and the other apostles did--witness in the public arenas...interact and challenge the presuppositions of the world today? What are they teaching in those seminaries about ministry? I just don't see the bang for the buck from people I know who have attended. Enough ranting. If you have been to seminary, I would love to know why people that leave are so ineffective in ministry (That might be too general of a statment). They wax eloqount in philosophy and Theology but never seem to get out in the public arena and challenge others. Most of them hide in the churches and preach where it is safe--another words they "Preach to the choir". Why are our best trained servants in the church never put into action? Why do I, someone who has no seminary training, placed on the front lines of evangelism when there is someone in the church that is much better able to answer the criticism that people have to Christianity--the seminary trained pastor? |
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117 | response | Rom 1:18 | userdoe220 | 20572 | ||
I love my pastor and since we are so close I can say things to him that I would never say to other people. In the broader context, we were talking about building a more effective church. I pointed out after the comment that he plays the key road to spear-head any action to lead the church from a "inside-only" to an "outward-thinking" church. You do have a point on him being paid therefore, he is looked at as being biased in his position. I am just frustrated everytime I drive by a packed Mormon church and ask the question, why? And when I meet their Bishop, Bruce, he is actively involved in soul-winning (I am not sure that would be a proper term.) and our pastors think they have done their job after they finish up the closing poem to their sermon. |
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118 | Ninevah did. | Rom 1:18 | userdoe220 | 20575 | ||
: c) In God's soveriegn plan, he has made us truly free to make the choices we will to make. God already knows what choices we will make--because he is omnisceint--but that does not mean he has scripted the choices we will make. Therefore, practically, there will be a choice a) and b) and God leaves it up to us to fulfill that choice (Look at Dt 28-29. God does give them two broad choices:life and death). Within those two broad categories can be many ways in which we live those two choices in our life--a myriad of possible options for us to choose from. God just happens to know which choices we will make therefore, nothing will take Him by suprise. Still not completly satisfied with that defintion which I am paraphrasing form Geisler's book Chosen but Free. This all boils down to the typical armenianist calvanist debate--Does God know because he has pre-orchestrated everything or does he know based off of his omniscience. I have read many different books on this subject from a Calvanistic perspective--can't find a modern armenianist who has published a book on this. I don't know about you but Armenius' work and Calvins' work has put me to sleep :-) on many different occasions-- I admit there are passages that are difficult to work into my position, but at least I admit that! The only Calvanist I have ever read that admits what I admit is Geisler in his book Chosen but Free. He admits that "my passages" that I use to back up my opinion make it very difficult for his position as well! That is something I did not find in books published by Charles Ryrie, Wayne Gruden, Zane Hodges on this subject. By the way, Joe, do you know of a book published by a person from an Armenianist perspective that hasn't been dead for 300 plus years? I must admit that I don't own one book on this subject, or commentary on these passages, by an Aremenianist. :-) Funny , Huh! I enjoy the dialoge with you and lionstrong. I am reminded of the passage, "Iron sharpens Iron" and feel you have def., through many posts, given me something to think about. |
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119 | Reformed and Arminian Gospel Preaching | Rom 1:18 | userdoe220 | 20654 | ||
I must be missing something from what I see as your original post. | ||||||
120 | response | Rom 1:18 | userdoe220 | 20655 | ||
It was a typo. The word I meant to type but fat-fingered was "Systematic Theology." |
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