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101 | So you tr: "God ought not to be tempted" | James 1:13 | RWC | 131844 | ||
There is much in your note with which I would heartily agree, but I am not entirely clear about your understanding of the Greek meaning of this word as it pertains to God in this verse. You wrote, "there is a kind of tempting of God that is prohibited. That is the kind that tests His patience in the face of disobedience." Then you add, "James in this passage is talking about that kind of temptation." Are you then in agreement with my friend's suggested translation of this verse as "God ought not to be tempted" (ie. God can be temptable, but we are not do it) or are you more inclined to stay with the common translation of "God cannot be tempted" (ie. God is untemptable)? Either option, of course, leads to further questions. A large part of the confusion that this passages causes, it seems to me, comes from the fact that this Greek word can have quite different meanings: *testing* meaning as you said "to be scrutinized, examined, proven, tested, assayed" and *tempting* meaning again as you said, "trying to get someone to do wrong, especially by a promise of reward." That confusion is made all the greater because, it seems, that at different places even within the context of this one passage (James chapter 1), both meanings are intended by the use of this one word. |
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102 | 1. logic? 2. differences with Eng. tr.? | James 1:13 | RWC | 131872 | ||
Hello Doc, If I may sir, I have two questions from your post. If I sound like "I am not getting it," I guess it is because I'm not. Please be patient with me. Question 1: How does your logic work here? You wrote that: 1. We are commanded not to tempt God. 2. Christ was tempted. Christ is God. Therefore, God was tempted. and then you say: "These conclusions make it impossible for your friend's translation to stand." But it sounds to me like your points 1 and 2 are *exactly* what my friend is trying to get this verse to say (that is, that we are being commanded not to tempt or test God: "God ought not to be tempted")! I don't think there is anything wrong with the statement biblically or theologically. I just am questioning whether it stands up textually in this verse. Question 2: Are you suggesting that textually this verse is not saying that God is untemptable (sorry for the double-negative), but rather that God cannot be tempted to the point of giving into sin? That seemed to be the point being emphasized by the literal translation that you offered for this verse, especially in light of your acknowledgment that God can be tempted. And if that is true (if that is what you see being said and emphasized in the text of this verse), then why do you suppose that none of the major English translations have translated it that way? They all seem to emphasize that God is untemptable. I hope I am not testing your patience with my questions. I'm just trying to understand. I appreciate you taking the time to discuss this with me. |
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103 | How do you reconcile them? | James 1:13 | RWC | 131873 | ||
Hi there, I have no problem with the fact that Jesus maintained a position of authority over Satan throughout His whole earthly life through the power of the Holy Spirit and the power of the Word of God, including the period of temptations in the wilderness. The question I was trying to ask is, "How are we to understand this verse that seems to say that God is untemptable when we have other verses that seem to say that God the Son was tempted?" How do you understand it? How do you put this verse together with verses like Heb 4:15 and Mt. 4:1? |
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104 | Can God really be tempted? | James 1:13 | RWC | 131874 | ||
Note to all: I just discovered that I asked this same question (minus the portion regarding the translation issue on this verse) and connected it to Heb. 4:15 a couple of years ago. I am not sure why I would have connected the question to that verse instead of this one, but I guess I did. Perhaps I entered it as a general question and the first respondant connected it to that verse; I don't know. Anyway, a very healthy discussion ensued. So, if this question catches your eye here, it might be worth your while to read through the discussion under Heb. 4:15. |
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105 | Does God lead us into temtation? | James 1:13 | RWC | 131886 | ||
I suppose that there are times and occassions when God will, for one reason or another, put us in difficult situations; what we might call "trying" circumstances. There are even times when God will put us in places (circumstances) where we will be tempted to sin. But this verse (Jas. 1:13) is pretty clear that it will never be God Himself that would tempt or try to entice anyone to sin. In Gen. 22:1, it is recorded that the whole situation regarding the sacrifice of Isaac was God testing or tempting of Abraham. I believe that the word in the original language of the Old Testament can be translated as either "test" or "tempt" just like the word in the original language of New Testament. In Mt. 4:1, Jesus is taken out into the wildernes *by the Holy Spirit* in order to be tested or tempted *by Satan*. A very similar situation happened with Job. God permitted Satan to wreak tremendous destruction in this man's life, and in the lives of those close to him, all for the apparent purpose of testing or tempting or proving Job's character and faith. When I read the Lord's prayer (a.k.a. "the disciple's prayer), I am reminded to ask God for the grace to be spared from any such testing and tempting. When I read Jas. 1:13, I am reminded that if (or when!) testing, trials, and temptations come into my life, it is not God Himself that would ever entice me to sin. And when I read 1Co. 10:13, I am reminded, as Pastor Glenn said in a post above, that all of us face these temptations and that God is always willing and able to provide the strength to endure or the wisdom to see the route of escape (or both). |
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