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101 | is the seed non-human? | Dan 2:43 | Reighnskye | 133390 | ||
Believer, Are you suggesting from this verse, that angelic/demonic seed again mixes with the human race, even well after the period of the flood of Noah? The former intermingling of celestials and humankind necessitated the mass genocide incurred by the great flood, without which the flood would not have been necessary, but for the corruptions in the human bloodline. - Genesis 6 1 Now it came about, when men began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them, 2 that the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose. 3 Then the LORD said, "My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, because he also is flesh; nevertheless his days shall be one hundred and twenty years." 4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown. 5 Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6 The LORD was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart. 7 The LORD said, "I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of the land, from man to animals to creeping things and to birds of the sky; for I am sorry that I have made them." (NAS95) - Blessings, Reighnskye |
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102 | is the seed non-human? | Dan 2:43 | Reighnskye | 133400 | ||
Mark, Was this seed intermingling with the human race after the days of Noah? If it can be said that Noah and his family were pure-blood humans (which I believe to be the case), then we may infer that the celestial/human crossbreeds were fully removed from the earth during the flood. The gene pool of the human species got a new start and celestial blood had not intermingled with our kind since. Certainly the introduction of angel-spawn or demon-spawn, within the gene pool of the human race, would unsettle the war between the angels and the demons, swaying such a war over to one side or the other. I suggest that this type of crossbreeding does not enhance us, but rather diminishes us, as a species. The blood becomes weakened and not strengthened. A purebreed human race will become greater in it's future immortal state than what the angelic/demonic celestials ever were. The corruption of the human gene pool would, however, thwart the future dominance of an immortal humanity, causing either the angels or the demons to hold permament sway. Scripture infers that these celestial races will yet be subjected in the immortal regeneration of humanity. No greater or lesser angel is completely pure. - 1 Corinthians 6 2 Or do you not know that the saints will judge the world? If the world is judged by you, are you not competent to constitute the smallest law courts? 3 Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more matters of this life? (NAS95) Hebrews 2 6 But one has testified somewhere, saying, "WHAT IS MAN, THAT YOU REMEMBER HIM? OR THE SON OF MAN, THAT YOU ARE CONCERNED ABOUT HIM? 7 "YOU HAVE MADE HIM FOR A LITTLE WHILE LOWER THAN THE ANGELS; YOU HAVE CROWNED HIM WITH GLORY AND HONOR, AND HAVE APPOINTED HIM OVER THE WORKS OF YOUR HANDS; 8 YOU HAVE PUT ALL THINGS IN SUBJECTION UNDER HIS FEET." For in subjecting all things to him, He left nothing that is not subject to him. But now we do not yet see all things subjected to him. 9 But we do see Him who was made for a little while lower than the angels, namely, Jesus, because of the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, so that by the grace of God He might taste death for everyone. (NAS95) Job 4 18 'He puts no trust even in His servants; And against His angels He charges error. (NAS95) Job 15 15 "Behold, He puts no trust in His holy ones, And the heavens are not pure in His sight; (NAS95) - Blessings, Reighnskye |
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103 | is the seed non-human? | Dan 2:43 | Reighnskye | 133483 | ||
Believer, You had asked a couple of questions. You said: "Could you tell me, if the fallen angels were all killed out, how did they repopulate the earth after the flood?" I honestly can't answer this question beyond simply conjecture, nor have I really thought of this idea before now. I suppose we could look at two ideologies here. A. If the flood of Noah had exterminated all life on the entire earth, then celestial blood may have been carried through the bloodlines of any of the eight human survivors on the ark; or celestials (angels/demons) manifested themselves again on the earth after the flood of Noah and began intermingling anew, albeit with lesser force; Or, B. The flood of Noah did not exterminate all of humanity from the earth and somebody on the dry land had escaped the flood, beyond the eight who were on the ark. Although completely unbiblical, this idea may run concurrent with ancient historical records of many nations of the earth, that recorded multiple smaller floods throughout the earth, as opposed to one great big flood. By the way, the lost continent of Atlantis was once believed to exist, prior to it's submergence under water, as per the annals of ancient mythology. Secondly, you had asked: "Another thing to think about is the fact that angels, whether fallen or not, are spirits. Do you think they can be killed? The scripture says the ones who left their first estate are in chains awaiting judgement, they aren't dead." To adequately answer this question, I would have to use some rather foreign terms, which are not commonly used in our vernacular. The term "spirit" is grossly inadequate when discussing these things, and can easily lead to a great deal of confusion. This is because when we use the word "spirit", we are often speaking of "ghosts", which are in no way spiritual, even if they are supernatural. The term "spiritual" would not apply to hellish and demonic entities, for example. I will rather use the terms "celestial" and "ghost" (and even these terms fall short). Here is the difference between a "celestial" and a "ghost". A "ghost" is a disembodied spirit that exists on a lesser non-spiritual supernatural plane. The immortal physicality had been lost or forfeited, albeit the vehicle of the "ghost" body had been left behind. Much like when mortal human beings die physically and subsequently float around within the vehicle of a "ghost" body, possessing no resolute appearance or form. This is the state of the demons who left their first estate of physical immortality, so that they could breed with humanity. Having lost their immortal physicality, they therefore attempt to possess the bodies of living mortals, so that they may live on in this life, through the eyes and ears of others. Job 14 10 But man dieth, and wasteth away: yea, man giveth up the ghost, and where is he? (KJV) - Conversely, a "celestial" is a higher spirit which possesses physical immortality, and can physically materialize in our earthly dimension at any time in full view of mortals. This is likely the case with the higher angels, who did not abandon their first estate of physical immortality. Jesus, Enoch and Elijah (and some say Moses) also possess "celestial" bodies, which are capable of physical materialization in our mortal realm at any time. This "celestial" body is the future inheritance of the saints, wherein we may coin the term "material spirit", though the terminology falls short. 1 Corinthians 15 40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. (KJV) - Here are some further verse references concerning those angels who left their first estate of immortal physicality, and therefore degraded themselves into lesser demons after their physical expirations from the earth. In effect, one third of the angels became mortal and their physical bodies died off from the earth. Hence, the dire necessity of these judgments. Perhaps we may still find their bones today. 2 Peter 2 4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; 5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly; (KJV) Jude 1 6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. (KJV) - Blessings, Reighnskye |
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104 | is the seed non-human? | Dan 2:43 | Reighnskye | 133489 | ||
Mark, You said: "My thinking is that the spirits produced from this crossbreeding are not subject to salvation, although again, I have no scripture to support that." - If human beings are redeemable, and yet the fallen angels were not redeemable, then what of human/angelic hybrids? Are they therefore redeemable or irredeemable? God forbid that hybrids should walk the earth today. - Blessings, Reighsnkye |
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105 | is the seed non-human? | Dan 2:43 | Reighnskye | 133492 | ||
Believer, I would have to say that I agree with you in your last quote here. You said: "I believe that someone on the ark, (obviously not Noah) had this seed.) Many people think that they were all perfect in their generations, but the Bible only says this about Noah, not the others. I totally deep six the idea that anyone lived besides Noah and his family. God doesn't lie, neither does the word. Secondly, some people say there was a second wave of fallen angels, but I haven't been able to find this proof in scripture. As for the spirit thing, I may have not stated clearly what I meant: When we die, our spirit will either live eternally or burn eternally, so it just seems logical this would be the case with the fallen angels." - As to your last question as to whether the Nephilim had souls or not? I would conversely ask "why wouldn't they"? Even dogs, cats, rats and ants have souls. LOLOLOL. - Ecclesiastes 3 17 I said to myself, "God will judge both the righteous man and the wicked man," for a time for every matter and for every deed is there. 18 I said to myself concerning the sons of men, "God has surely tested them in order for them to see that they are but beasts." 19 For the fate of the sons of men and the fate of beasts is the same. As one dies so dies the other; indeed, they all have the same breath and there is no advantage for man over beast, for all is vanity. 20 All go to the same place. All came from the dust and all return to the dust. 21 Who knows that the breath of man ascends upward and the breath of the beast descends downward to the earth? 22 I have seen that nothing is better than that man should be happy in his activities, for that is his lot. For who will bring him to see what will occur after him? (NAS95) - Blessings, Reighnskye |
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106 | is the seed non-human? | Dan 2:43 | Reighnskye | 133497 | ||
Believer, I greatly suggest that only God can create life, whether it be twins in the womb or clones in the test tube. God is the author of all life, and we should show full respect to God's handiwork, even if human beings will distort and abuse God's gift of life to us. If two twins shall be born from the mother's womb on the same day, it would not be valid to ask which life is valid and which is not. So also, if that twin is born in a test tube or through an act of cloning. Even if man shall form the body from pre-existing organic materials, yet God creates the soul within every potential clone (if not the body itself). However, not all view God as the sovereign author of all life on earth. Although, scientists will attempt to enhance or distort human life (as had been done with animals already), we should nonetheless not thank the scientist for a new life on the earth. The scientist had only taken what God had first originated and melded such organic materials through scientific methods. Ultimately, there will likely be three demonstrated applications for cloning in the end times: 1. Clones will be used to fight our wars, at the loss of their various God-given lives and limbs. 2. Clones will perform our daily labors for us as permanent slaves bought for a hefty price. This will be particularly advantageous for larger corporations that would like to cut payroll a bit. 3. Clones will be used for medical experimentions as the Jews were, due to their percieved expendability. - Now beyond all this, there will be two camps of people: 1. The first camp will be a portion of the religious camp, which will declare the mistaken belief that clones lack souls and are therefore not a viable form of life. From here, mass geneocides of clones will be first supported and later performed. However, an offshoot of this first camp will also arise, which will fully support the first three applications for clones that I had suggested. Although, they will not view clones as having souls, they will nonetheless view mass genocide as impractical. 2. The second religious camp of people will declare that clones do indeed have souls, which constitutes that they are a viable form of life, likewise deserving equal freedoms as all human beings. These shall oppose the usage of clones as war soldiers, corporate slaves and medical test subjects. They shall also attempt to convey the Gospel of Jesus to them. However, another offshoot will also arise from this second camp of people, who will justify the deaths of the first and original camp, who support and/or perform mass genocide of the clones. These shall spill the blood of a portion of the first camp, so as to defend the clones by way of violence. - Which camp will you choose? - James 1 16 Do not be deceived, my beloved brethren. 17 Every good thing given and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shifting shadow. (NAS95) - Blessings, Reighnskye |
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107 | is the seed non-human? | Dan 2:43 | Reighnskye | 133582 | ||
Rowdy, Fully agreed :) - Blessings, Reighnskye |
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108 | is the seed non-human? | Dan 2:43 | Reighnskye | 133592 | ||
Believer, If we do not view God as the ultimate creator of clones, then we do not view God as the sovereign creator of all things. James 1 16 Do not err, my beloved brethren. 17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning. (KJV) - Further, I suggest that there are four primary components to consciousness, wherein we may accurately ascertain if a person or being (or a clonal replicant in this case) possesses a conscious soul. The four components of soulish consciousness are as follows: 1. Intellect: the capacity for thought, reasoning and mathematical analysis. 2. Emotion: the capacity to experience happiness and sorrow, anger and fear, along with a vast plethora of associative emotions. 3. Volition: the capacity to make strategic and tactical plans and decisions, in regards to the locomotion of the physical body. 4. Conscience: the capacity to operate by an inner moral awareness, in relation to others around us. And I have not even referenced here the components of physical material consciousness. Ecclesiastes 3 21 Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth? (KJV) - Lastly, the very last verse that you had referenced to me, in your position against the soulish validity of clones, seems to be a vast over-extension in the application of scripture. The following scripture does not refer to cloning. Matthew 15 13 But He answered and said, "Every plant which My heavenly Father did not plant shall be uprooted. (NAS95) It appears to me by your usage of this text, that you believe that the living awareness of clones will somehow be uprooted? - Blessings, Reighnskye |
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109 | is the seed non-human? | Dan 2:43 | Reighnskye | 133593 | ||
Believer, Here is a commonly used reference to demonstrate that animals will live on eternally in God's kingdom. The verse is very well known in Christian circles from the book of Isaiah, and is even sung in many worship hymns. Isaiah 11 6 And the wolf will dwell with the lamb, And the leopard will lie down with the young goat, And the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; And a little boy will lead them. 7 Also the cow and the bear will graze, Their young will lie down together, And the lion will eat straw like the ox. 8 The nursing child will play by the hole of the cobra, And the weaned child will put his hand on the viper's den. 9 They will not hurt or destroy in all My holy mountain, For the earth will be full of the knowledge of the LORD As the waters cover the sea. (NAS95) - Further, what you say is quite accurate that the spirit and the soul are two different things. 1 Thessalonians 5 23 Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you entirely; and may your spirit and soul and body be preserved complete, without blame at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. (NAS95) Hebrews 4 12 For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart. (NAS95) What has me a bit baffled is how one can say that a being possesses a spirit, yet does not possess a soul? Would it not stand to reason that if a being possesses a spirit, that a soul would also be had? - Blessings, Reighnskye |
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110 | is the seed non-human? | Dan 2:43 | Reighnskye | 133596 | ||
Believer, How are you interpreting this scripture? What has this verse got to do with human/demon hybrids or clones? Also, clones and hybrids are too entirely different things, yet you're using this verse to refer to both. Here's the verse you used: Matthew 15 13 But He answered and said, "Every plant which My heavenly Father did not plant shall be uprooted. (NAS95) - Blessings, Reighnskye |
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111 | is the seed non-human? | Dan 2:43 | Reighnskye | 133788 | ||
Misty, I agree that you are making assumptions here. I did however give a verse reference for my belief. It's up to you if you want to go with that or not. I'll not force the argument. I might suggest that it would be good for you to provide verse references, rather than simpy trying to press a perspective on extra-biblical basis. - Blessings, Reighnskye |
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112 | Visions through angelic messengers only? | Obad 1:1 | Reighnskye | 130662 | ||
Roger, Perhaps a better way to articulate my question would be to ask how the Old Testament scriptures (as opposed to the NT) became canonized before the first coming of Christ? I'm assuming that the early revelations came on the basis of divine visions and miracles in the Old Testament. But how were these specifically differentiated from false visions and such back then? Thank you. |
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113 | Visions through angelic messengers only? | Obad 1:1 | Reighnskye | 130845 | ||
Roger, You mention that the canonicity of the books of the bible are based upon the credentials of the individual authors, if I understand you correctly. However, it would appear to me that many books of the bible (especially in the OT) were quite hazy as to who the actual authors were. Also, there may even be extra-biblical books authored by actual bible authors that ended up being classified as mere psuedapigrapha. Which authors are you referring to that you would trust their credentials? |
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114 | Visions through angelic messengers only? | Obad 1:1 | Reighnskye | 131033 | ||
Roger, I greatly apologize if you view the questions and comments coming from my alternate perspective as wrangling. You may think me entirely unbiblical in the things that I believe, although I'm not even honestly sure that you know what they are. I suggest that any of the comments or questions that I may present are absolutely no threat to the Bible itself, but rather may merely be seen as such by some of those who may interpret the Bible differently than what I and others do. As such, if my questioning and/or comments seem to be too hard for you to discuss without driving you to angry responses, on this matter or any other, I'll simply drop the issue, and rather address others who may respond in more constructive fashion. Also, please don't shout in your posts. Using all caps to emphasize a point is not strictly necessary. Rest assured that I read and take into account each line that a person may respond with. I suggest that SHOUTING IN CAPS is not the best approach to influence someone. RS |
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115 | Visions through angelic messengers only? | Obad 1:1 | Reighnskye | 131173 | ||
Rowdy, Amen. You have my full support on the matter, for whatever it may be worth. Blessings, Reighnskye |
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116 | Does God judge nations directly? | Obad 1:2 | Reighnskye | 130666 | ||
DocTrinsograce :) Will Christ end war during His millennial reign by utilizing war as the means? Will Christ use war to end war? Or will peace be His preferred method? Isaiah 2 4 And He will judge between the nations, And will render decisions for many peoples; And they will hammer their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, And never again will they learn war. (NAS95) Micah 4 3 And He will judge between many peoples And render decisions for mighty, distant nations. Then they will hammer their swords into plowshares And their spears into pruning hooks; Nation will not lift up sword against nation, And never again will they train for war. (NAS95) |
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117 | Does God judge nations directly? | Obad 1:2 | Reighnskye | 130703 | ||
DocTrinsograce: I value every person's perspective on the bible really, especially if they study it fervently. Intrinsic perhaps with the belief of a literal millennial reign of Christ would also be the idea of a literal physical and bodily return of Christ to this earth. Similar also to Christ's literal resurrection of the dead. (As opposed to symbolical). Indeed, the first three chapters of the book of Genesis are very similar in writing style to the book of revelation. This similarity stands out with the depictions in each book (Genesis and Revelation) of a Tree of Life that was once in the Garden of Eden and then resurfaces in the New Jerusalem, which descends from heaven to earth. I might ask what exactly in the bible should we take literally versus symbolically? The millennial reign of Christ? The Tree of Life in the Garden of Eden or the heavenly New Jerusalem? The miracle healings of Christ and the bodily resurrections that He performed on others? The physical bodily resurrection of Christ Himself? The ascension into heaven and therefore bodily return of Christ? I suggest that each of these things are intricately interrelated. But are they physically literal or merely symbolic? I suppose if we had the power to make our dreams into physical realities with mere thought, like immortals probably do, we could manifest many of these things ourselves. But alas, we are mortals and will likely remain so, as the majority of our fallen species ever has. What do we know of such wonders, but what we read? |
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118 | Does God judge nations directly? | Obad 1:2 | Reighnskye | 130846 | ||
Hank, I fully agree that to consider the bible as being almost completely symbolic in its substance would be a convoluted line of reasoning indeed. Unfortunately, many theologians have gone precisely this route. I personally view much of the symbolic imagery in the bible as being quite literal in a supernatural realm. And sometimes these supernatural literalisms may even extend themselves into the physical realm as well. Every verse of scripture, I believe, has both a literal tangible application in the physical realm available to us, and further originates from a very supernatural place. RS |
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119 | Does God judge nations directly? | Obad 1:2 | Reighnskye | 130847 | ||
Doc, I find that often when the text does not lend itself to clear identification on what is literal and what is symbolic, that often both may be somewhat true for any particular verse. Much of the symbolism in the bible (such as the parable of the rich man and the poor man) I will actually tend to view moreso as metaphysical realites versus mere symbolism, whether they be physical or not. Hence, I do not personally think so much in terms of literal versus symbolic when I might read any particular verse. Rather, I may think in terms of physical realities and/or metaphysical realities. This basically means that most everything, in the book of Revelation, I would consider to be metaphysical realities. In other words, that these are literal events that have occurred and/or will yet occur in the supernatural realm of spirits. And many of them being current metaphysical realites, they also have a potential to manifest themselves physically to some degree or another in our literal future. Although we do not necessarily see dragons, beasts, angels and frog-like demons in our literal physical reality, this does not mean that they do not exist in a more metaphysical supernatural dimension of spirits. Is this all too deep? I believe that the bible delves quite deeply into the supernatural realms. ---- "In Hades he lifted up his eyes, being in torment, and *saw Abraham far away and Lazarus in his bosom. "And he cried out and said, 'Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus so that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool off my tongue, for I am in agony in this flame.' "But Abraham said, 'Child, remember that during your life you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus bad things; but now he is being comforted here, and you are in agony. 'And besides all this, between us and you there is a great chasm fixed, so that those who wish to come over from here to you will not be able, and that none may cross over from there to us.' (Luke 16:23-26 NAS95) RS |
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120 | Does God judge nations directly? | Obad 1:2 | Reighnskye | 130848 | ||
Doc, I believe that you really offer quite an apt analogy. Again, I would greatly reinforce the idea that much of the symbolism presented in the scripture may actually be merely a veil for greater metaphysical (or supernatural) realities. Various of these metaphysical (or supernatural) realities may also have physical manifestations and some not. Further, the physical manifestations (of these metaphysical realities) may have occured in the past or may yet occur in the future. Hence, the supernatural manifestations of miracle workers documented in the scripture likely occurred in the past, whilst the eschatological manifestations may likely yet occur in the future. I've never myself seen a person resurrected from the dead (as Lazarus was), nor have I ascended directly into the heavens before the throne of God (as Isaiah did), but who am I to say that these things don't exist. And I am much more prone to accept the testimonies of miracle workers that have walked the earth as opposed to a score of common-day theologians. ---- "In Hades he lifted up his eyes, being in torment, and *saw Abraham far away and Lazarus in his bosom. "And he cried out and said, 'Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus so that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool off my tongue, for I am in agony in this flame.' "But Abraham said, 'Child, remember that during your life you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus bad things; but now he is being comforted here, and you are in agony. 'And besides all this, between us and you there is a great chasm fixed, so that those who wish to come over from here to you will not be able, and that none may cross over from there to us.' (Luke 16:23-26 NAS95) RS |
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