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101 | Filled with Holy Spirit? | Eph 4:23 | Ray | 150109 | ||
Hi Doc, I am not putting words in anybody's mouth. What I said is that "If our interpretation is that"; in other words I am still considering the verse with everyone. In fact in looking at it in my own mind, I would change my statement to read "each one of us would be EQUAL to God." If we were bigger than God then the Spirit wouldn't have filled us completly; in other words He would be measurable short. But if our interpretation is that He gives the Spirit without measure then our body would not be able to contain Him and it would either leak or burst and be destroyed. It has been suggested by some authors and post on this forum that our body leaks and thus we need to be constantly filled again and again. Yet if there is a constant measure of filling of the Spirit, then there is no room in our body for more, there is just that continual leak. Pretty deep stuff there; it must be early morning. :) 1) Consider the one whose interpretation is that we are filled with spirit rather than the Person. Then we are to be filled with the spirit. When we are filled with the spirit we preach the gospel, we sing spiritual songs, we study the Bible and the words of God so that we can be filled anew. Rather than our body bursting, we burst out in words of praise, telling the mighty deeds of God. We then attain to the stature of the fullness of God. 1a) If we are considering a post together, then the words of God that come to your mind combined with the words of God that come to mine can be doubled or at least multiplied or combined, and even more when other people join us in spirit. 2) I disagree with your postscript concerning John 3:34. For that we should look at John 3:19-21 in the 1977 and 1995 versions of the NASB and continue the discussion from there. I have to try to go back to sleep. Good night, my friend. From the heart, Ray |
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102 | A fresh mental and spiritual attitude? | Eph 4:23 | Ray | 150037 | ||
Hi Kalos, Amen to your post and quote of The Baptist Faith and Message. I worked for a Baptist Chaplain in the Army for 17 months, almost married a Baptist girl, and have attended Baptist churches often and enjoy the people. I would like to talk about two of the sentences in the expression of the faith. 1) "He seals the believer unto the day of final redemption." Ephesians 4:30 which shows that this Person can grieve. "And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption." My view of Ephesians 1:13 is that we are sealed in Him with the holy spirit of promise. Verse 7, "In all wisdom and insight making known to us the mystery of His will..." Verse 11, NKJ, "In Him also we have obtained an inheritance...Verse 13, In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation--having also believed [in Him, or being sealed in Him], you were sealed with the *holy *spirit of promise, "who [NU text reads which] is given as a pledge of your inheritance, with a view to the redemption of God's own possession, to the praise of His glory." So I would say that God seals us with the holy spirit of promise. The holy spirit is the down payment or pledge of our inheritance in Him. Ephesians 1:11, NKJ, "In Him also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the counsel of His will." 2) "His presence in the Christian is the guarantee..." What I would point out is that the expression of faith does not say "His Presence in the Christian is the guarantee" but rather His presence. So I agree that His presence or holy spirit or pledge or down payment is the guarantee. And the guarantee does not mean that we will be full of Christ but that we are brought into the fullness of the stature of Christ. I have chemo therapy tomorrow so I must go to bed. Thank you for your ongoing contributions to the discussion. From the heart, Ray |
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103 | A fresh mental and spiritual attitude? | Eph 4:23 | Ray | 150031 | ||
Hi Kalos, Amen to your post quote concerning the Holy Spirit. Now let's talk about the holy spirit [sic]. Prove to me that passages about being filled with the holy spirit are talking about a Person. From the heart, Ray |
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104 | A fresh mental and spiritual attitude? | Eph 4:23 | Ray | 150017 | ||
Hi Mark, Spirit or Holy Spirit, no matter, we know that the words speak of Deity. Although we know the Scriptures speak of Spirit of God and Spirit of Jesus, and His (h)Holy (s)Spirit, so it is difficult to know the mingling of these words concerning God. 1) Many of the passages that speak of being filled with the holy spirit have information in them about the word of God being heard, or the gospel preached, etc. In the Acts 2 passage the people who were filled with the holy spirit were "speaking of the mighty deeds of God." Verse 11. And they, being full of this knowledge of the mighty deeds of God, were speaking in tongues as the Spirit was giving them ability to speak out. So I see them "filled with the holy spirit" and the [Holy] Spirit giving them [ability] to speak out those words. 2) We also have the rushing wind and fire which suggests the baptism of fire and the moving of the spirit where it will as in John 3. The Teacher uses words to teach; and people who are born from above believe the Scriptures, and the word which Jesus had spoken. See John 2:22. "When therefore He was raised from the dead, His disciples remembered that He said this, and they believed the Scriptures, and the word which Jesus had spoken." 3) The closest I can come right now to a basic definition of what I mean when I say "[holy] spirit' is expressed in John 3:34 in my interpretation of it. John 3:34, "For He whom God has sent speaks the words of God; for He gives the *spirit without measure. 35 The Father loves the Son, and has given all things into His hand." All things, are the words of God, and holy spirit to my mind. From the heart, Ray |
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105 | A fresh mental and spiritual attitude? | Eph 4:23 | Ray | 150003 | ||
Hi Hank, I wanted to start writing to you at 5:30 before writing to Mark but changed my mind. I was concerned because you are putting words in my mouth that I did not speak. I have never spoken of man's spirit or "man's holy spirit". I have spoken of the Giver and the gift, the Word and the word, the Spirit and the spirit, the Rock and the rock, etc. but not in speaking of man's spirit. I would encourage you to get involved in looking at the occurances of being "filled with the holy spirit". Show me and straighten me out on where the Person is spoken of in those passages. However, we all have to keep our lives in balance and keep our priorities straight. :) I have a Detroit Tiger game that starts at 8:00. From the heart, Ray |
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106 | A fresh mental and spiritual attitude? | Eph 4:23 | Ray | 150001 | ||
Hi Mark, I have been working on the post below for you. I think however, that we can look together at the Scriptures that the JW's have introduced in the post from Kalos. From the heart, Ray |
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107 | A fresh mental and spiritual attitude? | Eph 4:23 | Ray | 150000 | ||
Hi Mark, I know that you are worried that I look like a Jehovah's Witness spy that has been hiding in the ranks of the forum; what with my believe in a 'holy spirit'. Let me put your fears at rest; I am not a Jehovah's Witness. However, I do interpret a lower case holy spirit in the occurances speaking of being filled with [the] holy spirit. You need to find verses for me where the Person of the Holy Spirit is found in the passages of being filled with holy spirit. And I am talking of 'filled with' not His "coming upon them." I also believe that His Spirit indwells us; the Scripture "Christ in us the hope of glory" is well known by us. I just don't believe that we are "filled with the Holy Spirit". 1) When His (Spirit) indwells us then we are walking together with the (Lord). Romans 8:11, "But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His (Spirit) who indwells you." Ephesisans 4:17, "This I say therefore, and affirm together with the (Lord), that you walk no longer just as the Gentiles also walk, in the futility of their mind,..." *********** Romans 8:11, "for if you are living according to the flesh, you must die; but if by the Spirit you are putting to death the deeds of the body you will live." Ephesians 4:18, "being darkened in their understanding, excluded from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them, because of the hardness of their heart;" ****** Romans 8:16, "The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of (God)." Ephesians 4:30, "And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of (God), by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption." *********** 2) These are verses that show my understanding of the Person and the existence of a spirit that we have received. I believe that the Holy Spirit is a Person of the trinity. And I say it this way; that God is the Giver and the gift is holy spirit. I do not say that the Holy Spirit is not a Gift, just as the Son was the Gift of God although it isn't worded that way. But I am encouraging a consideration of the "holy spirit" as a gift. 3) You have asked for Scriptures that speak of the 'holy spirit', but we will talk of those when you get back with me with verses that talk of the Person in connection with being "filled with the holy spirit." From the heart, Ray |
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108 | The Specific Sins of Sodom | Ezek 16:49 | Ray | 149958 | ||
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109 | wjhat are the qualifications being | John 3:16 | Ray | 149919 | ||
Hi Mark, Perhaps I can use Ephesians 4 in trying to show you what I mean; for I am not looking at the holy spirit as the work (finished product, us), but rather I am seeing the holy spirit as the means by which the work is done. I am looking at the holy spirit as the written words of God, the gospel, the power of God for salvation. God uses the words spoken, and He gives the spirit without measure. Acts 1:5 says "for John baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the (h)Holy (s)Spirit not many days from now." I would say that we are washed by the word and baptized with holy spirit. I would say that we are to be filled with the holy spirit given to us by God in the Scriptures. For Acts 1:4 I would go with the NASB; that they waited for what the Father had promised. The NKJ chose to interpret it as the Holy Spirit so they capitalized "Promise". But I would have you consider Acts 1:2 also to look at the means by which they were chosen. I would have you consider Acts 1:16 in contrast to Acts 4:25, NKJ. However, any more conversation should be moved to another verse, another thread, I believe. Let's go to Ephesians 4, maybe verse 23. From the heart, Ray |
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110 | wjhat are the qualifications being | John 3:16 | Ray | 149853 | ||
Hi WOS, Even though the Hebrew of Romans 10:18 was written in all capitals, I believe that the "their voice" and "their words" are not talking about God. They either refer to the sound of the heavens declaring the glory of God (see Psalm 19:1-4) or is talking about the preacher in Romans 10:14 and 15 who bring glad tiding of good things. So I agree with you in that "the Spirit works in us in more ways than the written word. And I agree that the written word will not supplant the oral teachings of Christ and the Apostles, especially as we have them in the New Testament. Yet, with that said, the bottom line is that the people of God know the One who is speaking. Isaiah 52:6, "Therefore My/ people shall know My name; therefore in that day I am the (One) who is speaking, 'Here I am.'" 7 How lovely on the mountains Are the feet of him who brings good news, Who announces peace And brings good news of happiness, Who announces salvation, And says to Zion, "Your God reigns!"" Isaiah 50:3, NASB, 1997, "I/ clothe the heavens with blackness And make sackcloth their covering." 4 The Lord God has given (Me) the tongue of disciples, That I may know how to sustain the weary one with a word. He awakens Me morning by morning, He awakens My ear to listen as a disciple. 5 The Lord God has opened My ear; And I was not disobedient Nor did I turn back." The slashes and parentheses are mine for comparisons. From the heart, Ray |
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111 | Why additional fiilings? | John 3:16 | Ray | 149837 | ||
Hi Mark, I don't know what God has chosen to capitalize, in doing the things [the nouns and pronouns] the way He has, but this is what I hear Him saying. Ephesians 5:18, "And do not get drunk with wine, for that is dissipation, but be filled with spirit." Acts 4:31, "And when they had prayed, the place where they had gathered together wa shaken, and they were all filled with holy spirit, and began to speak the word [sic] of God with boldness." There is power in the word. This is being born from above. John 3:7, "Do not marvel that I said to you, 'You must be born from above'. 8 The wind [spirit] blows where it wishes and you hear the sound of it, but do not know where it comes from and where it is going; so is everyone who is born of the spirit." Yet we know that Jesus knows and understands these things. And He will declare all things to us. Both He and the Holy Spirit will declare all these things to us and bring them to our remembrance. John 16:4, "But these things I have spoken to you, that when their hour comes, you may remember that I told you of them. And these things I did not say to you at the beginning, because I was with you." 1) John 6:63, "...the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life." John 16:1, "These things I have spoken to you, that you may be kept from stumbling." John 16:12, "I have many more things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now." John 16:18, "...We do not know what He is talking about." Contrast John 16:23, "In that day you will ask Me no question..." From the heart, Ray |
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112 | wjhat are the qualifications being | John 3:16 | Ray | 149805 | ||
Hi WOS, I find these reference Scriptures to be excellent companion verses. Romans 9:1,NASB, "I am telling the truth in **Christ, I am not lying, my conscience bearing me witness in the Holy/Spirit,..." 1 Corinthians 4:4, NASB, "For I am conscious of nothing against myself, yet I am not by this acquitted, but the **one [NKJ, He, i.e. the One] who examines me is the Lord./ Therefore do not go on passing judgment before the time, but wait until the Lord comes who will both bring to light the things hidden in the darkness and disclose the motives of men's hearts;..." From the heart, Ray |
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113 | wjhat are the qualifications being | John 3:16 | Ray | 149714 | ||
Hi WOS, Romans 10:18, "But I say, surely they have never heard, have they? Indeed they have; "THEIR VOICE HAS GONE OUT INTO ALL THE EARTH, AND THEIR WORDS TO THE ENDS OF THE WORLD." Do you see, personally, a capitalized "Their"? Romans 10:17, NASB, "So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ." [or concerning Christ; other ancient authorities read 'of God']. From the heart, Ray |
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114 | wjhat are the qualifications being | John 3:16 | Ray | 149713 | ||
Hi Mark, When one says, "I don't know where in the Bible that is, but I experienced it, and the Spirit in me confirms it," I think of Romans 8:16. Romans 8:16, "The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God." So when one says that the "Spirit" in me confirms it, I would think of a lower case spirit. The words of God have been heard and incorporated in one's life, but he can't quote the chapter and verse. I can understand that. What I am saying is that I go with the NASB for Romans 8:15, that we "have received a spirit of adoption as sons" rather than the NKJ "Spirit of adoption". From the heart, Ray |
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115 | wjhat are the qualifications being | John 3:16 | Ray | 149680 | ||
Hi Mark, When people in the Scriptures are given a specific task, the Spirit of God comes upon them. Being filled with the Holy Spirit, or as I would say holy spirit, is more like Colossians 3:16 states it, "Let the word of Christ richly dwell within you,...singing with thankfulness in your hearts to God." I would say that being filled with the holy spirit is having the word of God in your heart and teaching and admonishing one another. You are always ready to express the word of God. Janae knows the words of God especially in the words that she sings and the people are blessed by the spirit and words of the song. We are to be filled with the holy spirit and thereby we receive power to be His witnesses when the Holy Spirit comes upon us. Acts 1:5-8. That is how I see it. From the heart, Ray |
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116 | Belief in "progressive revelation?" | Rev 14:16 | Ray | 149628 | ||
Hi Hank, Hebrews 1:1, "God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways, 2 in these last days has spoken to us in (His) Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world." Genesis 1:26, "Then (God) said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness;..." Consider this interpretation of 2 Corinthians 5:16: Therefore from now on we recognize no man according to the flesh; even though we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know Him thus no longer. 17 Therefore if any man is in (Christ), he is a new creature; the old things passed away; behold new things have come. 18 Now all these things are from God, the One who reconciled us to Himself..." The parentheses are mine for comparisons. From the heart, Ray |
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117 | Desirability of a literal reading? | 2 Sam 16:12 | Ray | 149577 | ||
Hi Michael, As one who studies pronouns and nouns of Deity, I am less interested in the literal words, except as they relate to the pronouns of Deity. You have an objection to Matthew 9:36's "to have the bowels yearn", i.e. (fig.) feel sympathy, to pity: have (be moved with) compassion. I would have no objection to those words; because I know that in the English language of 1611 both "bowels" and "heart" had this double reference to physical organs and to the emotions of which these organs were supposed to be the seat. However, my interest would be in how they relate to other passages of Scripture; especially as to how they relate to the pronouns of Deity. 1) For instance, compare Isaiah 16:11 and Isaiah 63:15. Isaiah 16:11, KJ, "Wherefore my bowels shall sound like a harp for Moab, and mine inward parts for Kir-haresh." Isaiah 16:11, NASB, "Therefore my heart [Lit. entrails murmur] like a harp for Moab, And my inward feelings [Lit. inward part] for Kir-haresh." And Isaiah 63:15, KJ, "Look down from heaven, and behold from the habitation of thy holiness and of thy glory; where is thy zeal and thy strength, the sounding of thy bowels and of thy mercies toward me? are they restrained?" Isaiah 63:15, NASB, "Look down from heaven, and see from Thy holy and glorious habitation; Where are Thy zeal and Thy mighty deeds? The stirrings of Thy heart and Thy compassion are restrained toward me." 2) The comparison I see is between "The stirrings of Thy/ heart and Thy compassion are restrained toward me." And, "Therefore my/ heart intones like a harp for Moab, And my inward feelings for Kir-hareseth." The slash / is mine for comparison. Therefore the comparison makes me consider which version to go with for Isaiah 16:4 and 5. Is this passage, Isaiah 16:4 through 12, talking about an earthy throne or is it talking about the One who will sit on the spiritual throne? 3) As far as the 2 Samuel 16:12 - Isaiah 45:7 comparison is concerned, I would still be glad to hear anyone's thought on that. From the heart, Ray |
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118 | Ignoring a Decision to Capitalize | Rev 14:16 | Ray | 149517 | ||
Hi Tim, Thank you for that information. I hope that helps to keep peace between Kalos and me, (or should that be I?) even though it won't help in regard to capitalization choices. From the heart, Ray |
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119 | why is toiauten translated 'other' here | 1 Cor 11:16 | Ray | 149515 | ||
Hi Tim, Another thing we can consider is that "custom" or practice is singular. My Greek Interlinear by Green reads, "But if anyone thinks to be contentious, we do not have such a custom, neither the churches of God." 1) As I think about these things, I am reminded of 1 Corinthians 9:9, NKJ, "...Is it oxen God is concerned about?" Is it oxen or is it "He" that is in the question? Verse 10 goes on and says, "Or is He speaking altogether for our sake? Yes, for our sake it was written, because the plowman ought to plow in hope,..." In the same way, I would ask "Is God concerned about a head of hair?" No, He is concerned about Headship. And yet, He is speaking for our sake as well. 1 Corinthians 9:1, NKJ, "Am I not an apostle? Am I not free? Have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord? Are you not my work in the Lord? 2 If I am not an apostle to others, yet doubtles I am to you. For you are the seal of my apostleship in the Lord." 2) Perhaps we should take a closer look at 1 Corinthians 11:3 and 4, and be less concerned about hair and traditions. From the heart, Ray |
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120 | Ignoring a Decision to Capitalize | Rev 14:16 | Ray | 149499 | ||
Hi Kalos, Whether you wrote it or the person you quoted wrote it, I still don't know if the statement is true. I am not all-knowing (never claimed to be); I am not in the habit of posting that something is false if I don't know that. But what I have heard here on the forum in the past is that the Hebrew was all caps and the Greek was all lower case. We need some verification on that point. There was some confusion on your quote because the quotation mark that you used started at 'Revelation 14:16...' 1) The real Greek scholars and Bible translators of the NASB and the NKJ have the Son of Man capitalized or allowed in their marginal note. I believe that your quoted author is doing some second guessing of his own. And I do not find fault with that; I just don't agree with him. From the heart, Ray |
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