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1 | Who is or who were the disciples that bo | Not Specified | Suede67 | 124216 | ||
Who is or who were the disciples that bodily appeared over a great distance and then vanished in the New Testament? I want to say the name, or one of their names starts with a 'P'. Thanks. SUEDE |
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2 | The second coming of Jesus | Bible general Archive 2 | Suede67 | 95620 | ||
Your answer lies in Preterism. Christ meant what he said, in 40 years, a Jewish Generation, he did come back. He made that statement around 30 AD, funny how Jerusalem was wiped out 40 years later. Something to consider. Take care, SUEDE |
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3 | The second coming of Jesus | Bible general Archive 2 | Suede67 | 95628 | ||
Darcy The answer does lie in the Bible, I agree. And in it, Jesus says he will be back within one generation. The end. There's the BIBLICAL answer concerning his return. I fail to see the difficulty in this. As far as the verses go that you listed, 2 of them don't even mention Jerusalem, or Israel. And yes, the others that do are to be taken symbolic or figuratively. But worry not, I do take things literal when apt, Matt 16:28 "Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom." Take care, SUEDE |
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4 | The second coming of Jesus | Bible general Archive 2 | Suede67 | 95639 | ||
Darcy, You mean the Transfiguration. Yes, an all too common "explaination" for Matthew 16:28 by Futurists. Sadly, when I was a Futurist, I used it too. However, it isn't correct, and here's why. To put Matthew 16:28 in context, we need to read the verses BEFORE it to get a full understanding of what it means. Verse 27 tells us what will happen in conjunction with verse 28; and these things were NOT done at the Transfiguration. Let me show you why. I'll list a section of Matthew verse 27 at a time and then explain why the Transfiguration does NOT explain verse 28 of Chapter 16 of Matthew. Let's start, "For the Son of Man is going to come..." Ok, at the point of the Transfiguration in chapter 17, Christ was already there, he hadn't left yet. Christ saying the Son of Man is GOING to come, means that Christ first has to leave so he can in come. "...in his Father's glory with his angels..." At the Transfiguration Christ only appears with Moses and Elijah. "...and he will reward each person according to what he has done." That didn't happen at the Transfiguration either. Therefore, we can see that chapter 17 does not explain 16:28. Take care, SUEDE |
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5 | The second coming of Jesus | Bible general Archive 2 | Suede67 | 95652 | ||
Darcy, “The transfiguration doesn't show verse 27? ummm okay I must be mistaken.” It happens. Apologetics 101 ALWAYS rolls Matthew 16:27 and 28 into the Transfiguration. Sad and unfortunate. “ If I told my 4 year old son what does God mean when He says Jerusalem My son would look at me weird and say Jerusalem daddy.” If you told your son what does God mean when he says the Kingdom of God, would he look at you weird and say Transfiguration? Real quick about Daniel. There isn’t a break between his 69th and 70th week. Something I hope you look into. Take care, SUEDE |
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6 | The second coming of Jesus | Bible general Archive 2 | Suede67 | 95840 | ||
Hey Joe, Yes, the Transfiguration is pretty standard, it’s not the only explanation for Matt 16:27-28, but it’s by far the most common. “I had asked you a question a couple of weeks ago regarding your views on Matthew 25:31-46.’ I hope I answered it then. Sometimes keeping up with these forums can be tough. Let me know if I didn’t though. “It seems that the last judgment will be a corporate judgment rather than a one-at-a-time judgment.” I see what you mean here, but I still think it will be a one on one type judgment. But, it will be a broad stroke. Not a ‘now serving number 1,001,436’ . “How does the full preterist view these verses, and when do complete preterists believe that our bodies will be resurrected and glorified (cf. 1 Corinthians 15 and Philippians 3:20-21)?” I’m glad you can see that the first thing to deal with is timing. I think it’s incorrect to jump this, though many, Partial Preterists especially, do this often. I’m glad you don’t suffer from that. Too often folks want to race ahead to the nature of it, when instead it’s more paramount to find out when the heck it happens. 1 before 2 and 2 before 3. In short, the resurrection has happened. I know this sounds very odd, and often gets us Preterists labeled as heretics, BUT, it is what the Bible shows. First, I HIGHLY, HIGHLY, HIGHLY recommend you read a Literal Translation of the Bible, specifically the New Testament. Young’s or Green’s are great translations, both can be found on line as well. Unfortunately many translators inject their theologies and understanding into the Bible and this hampers with the literal meaning. Take this verse for example, here from Young’s literal translation. Acts 24:15 having hope toward God, which they themselves also wait for, [that] there is about to be a rising again of the dead, both of righteous and unrighteous; Now look at it from another translation, say NIV or NASB. Pretty different huh? But we can see that a literal rendering means that Luke was saying that there is ABOUT to be a resurrection. Also when you take Matthew 16:27 and 28 compare those two with Revelation 22:12. Pretty much the same thing, only in Revelation Jesus tells John that he is coming soon. This is actually how Revelation starts as well, note the blatant time indicator in Rev 1:1. In 1 Cor 15 we find that Paul is telling us that we are sown physical but we are raised spiritual. (15:44) That’s the nature of the resurrection. The proof of this is in a first century Heretic named Hymenaeus. Hymenaeus was a heretic because he was able to pull people out of faith by telling them that the resurrection had already happened. This is pre 70 AD mind you. But, the logic we must present is this. IF the resurrection is to be physical and IF it was to take place thousands of years in the future, there would not have been a single Christian in the 1st century mislead by Hymenaeus. Actually, Hymenaeus should have been the laughing stock of Christendom. 1st century Christians should have laughed at him and said, “Oh Hymenaeus, don’t you know our physical bodies will be altered and that this event isn’t even remotely close to us?” But that didn’t happen. Why not? Because 1st Century Christians knew that the resurrection was right there, some of them would still be alive when it did happen. The 1st century Christian was actively and eagerly awaiting the return that Christ and the Apostles spoke of as happening within a short period of time. Well that’s the jist of it, hope it finds you will. Take care, SUEDE |
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7 | The second coming of Jesus | Bible general Archive 2 | Suede67 | 95882 | ||
Darcy, Yes, 2 Peter 1:15-18 is explaining the Transfiguration, quite eloquently too. However, as I originally stated, at the Transfiguration Christ did not appear with his angels nor did he reward everyone. These are things he said he would do in Matthew 16:27-28. The Transfiguration does not explain Matthew 16:27-28, it is a very separate event with very distinct and different things happening at it. Take care, SUEDE |
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8 | The second coming of Jesus | Bible general Archive 2 | Suede67 | 95959 | ||
Darcy, “When God promises Abraham Isaac and Jacob the land of Israel He wasn't serious” God made promises and established covenants. Promises are based only on God, but covenants involve at least two groups, namely God and another party. A lot of the things that were to happen for the Israelites were based solely on them remaining faithful to God. They didn’t do this all the time, and suffered the consequences. When God sent his son, as promised, a lot of Jews refused to believe in him. They are therefore NOT a part of the New Covenant. “When Jesus said every eye would see Him, he didn't mean it.” He did, but you desire this to be fulfilled with visual confirmation. Not so. This is prophetic language, quite common in the OT. Since the world is round, it is an utter impossibility for all eyes to visually see him. “When The prophets of God said there would be peace on Earth and the curse would be lifted it was figurative.” Believers DO have peace, the curse HAS been lifted. To say otherwise is blasphemous because it says that we are under the curse of death, that Christ didn’t finish what he set out to do. “Now I would advise you to read Matt 25 about the sheep and the goats. And ask the Holy Spirit to direct you if you know lord as your personal savior. And if you do you will see some truth. Also let me warn you and other preterist this is coming from my heart People who think God changed His mind on the promises to Israel and are now given to the church.” Well, I do appreciate your concern, and you are sort of on the right track. Israel, as in ethnic Jews CAN in fact take part in the New Covenant and in the Promises of God. HOWEVER, they must believe in Christ. That’s key. It’s in error to separate the Jews and the Church. If Jews believe, they are the Church, along with us gentiles. But note, gentiles were grafted into the promises of God. How? By belief!! Jews/Israel can still partake in the promises, BUT they must be believers in the Son. “ And Isreal is No more Gods Chosen and you hurt the apple of God's eye I would not want to be in your shoes.” It’s ok my friend, I shake not in my boots. Israel as a single ethnic nation is not God’s chosen people anymore. Jesus plainly says that he is going to remove the kingdom of God from them and give it to a nation bearing fruit. That “nation” is all believers. Matthew 21:43-45 "Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people, producing the fruit of it. "And he who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces; but on whomever it falls, it will scatter him like dust." When the chief priests and the Pharisees heard His parables, they understood that He was speaking about them.” “Remember this Verse every day of your life, Genesis 27:29 “May peoples serve you, And nations bow down to you; Be master of your brothers, And may your mother's sons bow down to you. CURSED BE THOSE WHO CURSE YOU, AND BLESSED BE THOSE WHO BLESS YOU." Yes, excellent verse. Darcy, don’t you know that that verse is about you? Who is it that blesses or curses nations? It’s the believers in God. Who are they? The Christians! Both Jewish and Gentile in ethnicity, but they are believers in Christ. I HIGHLY recommend you go over Paul’s epistles, it will clear up a lot of this chaos. Here a few verses so you can see what I mean. Romans 4:13-16 “For the promise to Abraham or to his descendants that he would be heir of the world was not through the Law, but through the righteousness of faith. For if those who are of the Law are heirs, faith is made void and the promise is nullified; for the Law brings about wrath, but where there is no law, there also is no violation. For this reason it is by faith, in order that it may be in accordance with grace, so that the promise will be guaranteed to all the descendants, not only to those who are of the Law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all, Gal 3:29 “And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's descendants, heirs according to promise.” ” Remember it was Jews who gave us the Word of God Who a lot died for here faith. It was a Jew that gave us gentiles the Gospel. It was a Jew that that died an undeserving death and took our place which we are deserving of. “ Truly. Which is why it is ultimately a pity that many ethnic Jews do not believe. ”The reason I am saying all this is because I don't know how you can have this view of 70AD Christ returning and not think of the Jews have lost their promises God almighty made to to thier forefathers. “ Christ returning fulfilled and sealed those promises, it didn’t cause them to be lost. Take care, SUEDE |
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9 | The second coming of Jesus | Bible general Archive 2 | Suede67 | 95970 | ||
Darcy, “Complete heresy!” If it is then it will be quite simple to disprove Biblically. “ Look at the covenant made with Abraham. Abraham fulfilled his part. He left home!” I agree 100 percent. He was faithful to God, and we as the faithful reap the rewards that God promised and honored to Abraham. “How do you get poetic language EVRY EYE WILL SEE HIM? Its Poetic because all you are doing is twisting the Word of God to fit your needs.” Sorry my friend, that’s the way it is. There’s no twisting here. “Last time I checked This world is not at peace. Christians are STILL persecuted and killed. And you say that is peace? What happen September 11, 2001 is Peace? The Nuclear Weapons is a sign of peace? Tell me what war is then? We will kill 40,000,000 babies because there is peace on earth?” Hmm, does the Bible state a universal peace, even for non believers? No, of course it doesn’t. There will ALWAYS be dogs outside the city. Please research that further. “The bible states they will learn war no more! It is not poetic if it is poetic its a bad poem.” Well, art is subjective. Take care, SUEDE |
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10 | The second coming of Jesus | Bible general Archive 2 | Suede67 | 95971 | ||
Radioman, I’ve actually seen this article before. I’ll go ahead and gun it down one more time, …'"Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place." Matthew 24:34 'The above passage is found in what is referred to as the Olivet Discourse of Jesus given a few days before Christ's crucifixion. The context for Matthew 24:34 is Jesus' response to the questions of the disciples regarding His return and the end of the age…. So far so good. …There are those in the church of Jesus Christ who understand "this generation" to refer to the generation to whom Jesus was speaking the day He gave the discourse.” … Yes, and that’s exactly who he was referring to. Christ said, THIS generation, back around 30 AD. Christ did not say, some other generation, or another generation. He was telling his disciples that this generation, the one they were in, would not pass. …'Today, there is a resurgence of this teaching known as preterism. The term preterism comes from the Latin word praeterism and means "past" or already gone by. The basic teaching of preterism is that the great tribulation has already occured in the distant past, principally at AD 70. Those who hold to this teaching are known specifically as full preterists. There is another subgroup of preterists known as partial or moderate preterists. This latter group sees parts of the Olivet Discourse, or Jesus' teaching on end times, as partially fulfilled in AD 70 but other parts as yet to be fulfilled at the second parousia of Christ. Several efforts have been made to establish preterism as historically sound and biblical but the clear warning of Paul reminds us that it is an heretical and false teaching… Actually Paul’s teachings pertain to a specific heresy, the Hymenaeus Heresy. The problem is, this heresy isn’t applicable to Preterism. Hymenaeus claimed, PRIOR to 70 AD, that the resurrection had already happened. He was wrong of course, and correctly shunned by Paul. Preterists do not make the claim that Hymenaeus did. We state that all things happened in 70 AD, not before like Hymenaeus did. It is a completely illogical blunder to put Preterists with Hymenaeus. ….Be a Berean (Acts 17:11) and examine the Word to "see if these things are so."'… I couldn’t agree more! SUEDE |
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11 | The second coming of Jesus | Bible general Archive 2 | Suede67 | 95972 | ||
Radioman, ….'If the Rapture "has already taken place", then the resurrection has already taken place. Paul, in 1 Corinthians 15 writes of the day when the final "trumpet" for believers will be blown and mortality will put on immortality. In this passage, he links the Rapture with the resurrection of believers. In other words, when the Rapture takes place, the resurrection occurs…. Correct. But let’s fill in the details. Paul tells the Corinthians, the ones actually alive in the 1st century, that the “rapture”/resurrection will take place within THEIR lifetime, not 2000 years and counting. 1 Cor 15:51,52 ‘Behold, I tell you a mystery; we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound and the dead will be raised.’ So we can see that Paul tells people that were alive that some of them would NOT physical die, but would actually live through the rapture/resurrection. ….'Those who insist that the events of Matthew 24 are history and say that the "generation that sees these things" was the generation concurrent with Jesus nearly 2,000 years ago, must of necessity show that the resurrection has also taken place. The only way that is possible is to spiritualize the text by saying that the resurrection was a spiritual one and not a physical one…. Ok here ya go. 1 Cor 15:42-44 “So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown a perishable body, it is raised an imperishable body; it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; it is sown a natural body, IT IS RAISED A SPIRITUAL BODY.” There, that wasn’t so hard now was it? …'And what was the resurrected body of Jesus like? First, the tomb was empty. In other words, there was a physical body in it but on the day of His resurrection, it became empty. A body had departed from it. Second, he had a glorified body. It was different from His previous mortal body, but it was the same body. Third, Jesus was visible to the disciples until the time He ascended and was touched by them and ate with them. Christ's resurrected body was a physical body, not a spiritualized one… Jesus had to come back physically to one, prove he could, and two finish teaching the apostles. We do not have to fulfill these things, there is no reason why we need a physical body. …If a spiritual body cannot be seen, touched, or handled, is it a body at all? It is one thing to say that our resurrected bodies will be spiritiual bodies, but quite another to imply that our resurrected bodies will be merely spirits. The Bible speaks of spiritual bodies… It sure does. Look at angels all throughout the Bible. Spiritual beings indeed, but they could be seen, they could eat, and they could sleep. Look at the angels that come to Lot. ….However, many often "flip flop" in their interpretation approach to maintain a preconceived understanding of a text…. Something Futurists are quite guilty of as well. So much for the “Beam in the eye” verse. ….An example of this is the above. Preterists interpret "this generation" in the simple sense as meaning the generation concurrent with Christ and then suddenly "shift gears" and apply a figurative approach to arrive at a spiritualized understanding of the Rapture and the resurrection… But with 1 Cor 15:42-44 (listed above) we can see that Preterists ARE consistent as far as “this Generation” and with the spiritual understanding of the Rapture and the Resurrection. And we can now see that Futurists are the ones who are not. ….The only way the integrity of the Author/author's wording and meaning can be preserved is by taking Scripture at face value. Taking Scripture at face value means that the student of Scripture recognizes the difference between what can be called the "simple sense" of a passage and what is understood as a literal understanding…. Ok, let’s do that RIGHT now. 1 Cor 15:42-44 “So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown a perishable body, it is raised an imperishable body; it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; it is sown a natural body, IT IS RAISED A SPIRITUAL BODY.” NAS Rev 1:1 “The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God have him to show to his bond servants, the things which must SOON TAKE PLACE…” NAS And those are just a small handful. Shall I list some more to be taken literally? Take care, SUEDE |
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12 | The second coming of Jesus | Bible general Archive 2 | Suede67 | 96051 | ||
Darcy ….Suede, and all others that think that the rapture has already happened, Matthew 16:28 is referring to the transfiguration not the rapture… Actually it’s referring to the Second Coming as a whole. …And where does everyone think that everything took place in 70 a.d.? Of the day and time no man knows, not even the angels in Heaven, only the father… Actually, Preterists agree that of the day and time no man knew. All we do know is that it would have to take place roughly 40 years after Christ ascended. …If Jesus has already raptured the church , were all in big trouble… Actually we’re not, for the tribulations listed in such books as Revelation have already passed. Christ has had full victory, and because of that, so do we. ….Revelation would not be relevant or Acts.. These actually are relevant, just not in the way Futurists feel. Preterists see them as yet one more proof that Christ is the Messiah. He said he would be back within 40 years and he was! It’s so comforting to understand the Bible as it is meant to be understood. Basically put, we are reading someone else’s mail. Though it is still relevant to us, it was more relevant to the people that the books were actually written for, that is the first century Christians. ….And as far as Jesus saying that he would be back in one generation is false… Hmm, that’s quite a statement. …It doesnt matter what the church believes, its what the Bible says. Men have changed all the scriptures to fit what they believe…. Welcome to Preterism my friend!! Us Preterists give all authority to the Bible, none to the church or what men may feel about it. ….Isreal has to be taken into account in all because they will become our brothers and sisters in Christ… Well, if by Israel you mean ethnic Jews, then yes, they can become our brothers and sisters, but only in Christ. ….All 70 a.d. people don’t be deceived by date setting ,its wrong. I’m still awaiting the rapture but until it comes I’ll continue to seek out souls for Gods kingdom… Well, you’ll ultimately be awaiting an event that will not come, for it has already happened. But, I am glad that you seek out people for salvation. That’s great! Take care, SUEDE |
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13 | The second coming of Jesus | Bible general Archive 2 | Suede67 | 96055 | ||
Radioman, Very good! Yet I find it odd then that Preterists are attacked and labeled as heretics. Pretty hypocritical of some. Oh well, it matters not to me. Take care, SUEDE |
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14 | The second coming of Jesus | Bible general Archive 2 | Suede67 | 96058 | ||
Radioman, Well, thanks for inquiring about them. Literally every time I talk with a nonPreterist, their attacks are based on misinformation. Sadly though, most will not inquire or discuss at any length with us. This is very, very, unfortunate. Allow me to add a touch of personal info to this. I was not raised a Preterist. Who is!?! I was a typical dispensational premillennialist. After studying for a few years, I realized, though popular, this theology was riddled with errors. I moved on to Amillennialism and Calvinism. I am still a Calvinist. Much better. However, in studying Amillennialism I came across a view I had never heard before, Preterism. At first glance I thought it was utterly absurd. This is actually why I tend to be extremely calm and patient with others, I still remember my first encounter with the “crazy” view! But, I knew that only Truth ultimately stands up. Soooo, I decided to run it through the wringer and be done with it once and for all and bad mouth it as complete lunacy. So I sat down and studied it. Then I panicked. I was having a hard time disproving it Biblically. Then I asked my scholarly friends about it. They couldn’t Biblically disprove it either. Then I started noticing “time indicators” in the Bible. And, it clicked! At that instant, the Bible made sense to me, ALL OF IT. There were no difficulties, no hard verses, no bending and twisting to explain. And so, I am a Preterist. However, I will say this. I am always, always, willing to hear people’s sides and opinions about it. And the exact moment it is Biblically disproven, is the exact same moment I stop being a Preterist! But, until then, I suggest people do the same. If you can not disprove it, perhaps you can’t because it’s CORRECT! I mean this jist is that Christ said he would be back in one generation. He said this around 30 AD. Within a generation, 40 years to the Jews, ALL the things he had listed at the Olivet discourse had come to pass. That’s really something. Oh well, take care, thanks for listening, please feel free to ask questions too, I will do my best to answer them! SUEDE Revelation 1:1 “The revelation of Jesus Christ which God gave to him to show his servants what must SOON TAKE PLACE…” |
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15 | Doesn't Revelation pose difficulties? | Bible general Archive 2 | Suede67 | 96086 | ||
Radioman, …I am curious- there are many passages in Revelation that I would think would be difficult… Agreed. There are very tricky passages out there, no doubt. But, the answer is there. One thing we must never do is look at the Bible, and then seek out answer in say Time, or Newsweek, or the World News. That is a devastating error that has lead most astray. With that said, let’s have a look Rev 8:12 This is similar to the ninth Egyptian plague of “thick Darkness” in Ex 10:21-23. This is prophetic imagery, and is often used by prophets to depict the fall of nations and ruler. Is 13:9-11, 19; 24:19-23; 34:4,5; Ezek 32:7,8,11,12; Joel 2:10, 28-32; Acts 2:16-21. Rev 9:15 To understand this, you have to understand that the context of Revelation is going to be about Israel and the Roman Empire. People too often feel that Revelation is about “Kosmocide” or the physical end of the world. It’s not. It was going to be confined to only a part of it, i.e. the Roman Empire. In this verse God allowed the Euphrates River to dry up, which allows Israel former foes to wage war on them. We must remember, that when Rome would sack Jerusalem, it was not just Italians outside the city. The Roman Empire was comprised of several countries, countries that were allowed to keep local rulers and there own national identity. So the “Angels” that were allowed to wage war, did so by allowing Israel’s former enemies to kill off a third of her. Rev 9:16 Unfortunately most people get caught up in a literal numbers game. But remember, this is a prophetic work, there’s quite a bit of imagery going on. Look at Psalms 68:17 “The chariots of God are double myriads, thousands of thousands.” John here is simple referring to a REALLY big army, not a literal number, and no it’s not China for the record. Rev 11:3 The two witness are also not to be taken literal, they aren’t two people. The sack cloth is a typical symbolic statement of prophets mourning over apostasy. John the Baptist and Elijah wore these. Without getting too in depth to it, this is a long explanation; there are seven lamps on the lampstand in Revelation. These are connected to two olive trees Jer 11:16 which flow an unceasing supply of oil, which symbolizes the work of the Holy Spirit. In short, the two witness are the royal priesthood of God, i.e. both Jewish and Gentile believers. Rev 11:9 and 10 The early Church was terribly persecuted almost the point of extinction. There was no great focus of persecution then in Israel. The Church, believers, were literally wiped out there. No doubt there was much joy in doing this. Remember, the early church was quite prophetic in nature, and no doubt much of its warnings were directed at the Jews, that the warth of God was upon them, that the Day of Vengeance was upon them. To not bury the dead was terrible, specifically among Jews. This would probably be symbolic and literal. One, symbolic of what the Jews truly thought of the Church, and two, the Jews probably did not literally bury dead believers. Rev 11:11 But the Church didn’t die out, did it? The horrendous persecutions didn’t stop the church. We just kept coming and coming! This no doubt frustrated, and horrified the non believers. The mark? Little more then a parody on the seal of God. Radioman, let me tell you were I got these answers from. I’ve studied Revelation for YEARS, read tons of books and commentaries on it, and hands down the most Biblically based is “Days of Vengeance” by David Chilton. Though he wrote it when he was only a Partial Preterist, and sadly it was never updated by him before he died, but it is still the best one currently out there. I and I’m sure Mr. Chilton disagree with the later chapters in that book, Rev20-22, but the bulk of it is apt. The beauty too is you can find this book FREE online. I personally have a PDF version of it on my Hard drive. Here’s the short of it though, Revelation and the Olivet Discourse were all about the first century. I HIGHLY urge you to read the NT from a 1st century perspective, it will help out TONS! Thanks, take care, SUEDE |
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16 | The second coming of Jesus | Bible general Archive 2 | Suede67 | 96347 | ||
Hey Dairy Leader, …Jesus and the Bible in general tells us in the end days that there will be false christ and false doctrine,… Yes absolutely! Preterism doesn’t deny these things. All those things happened in the first century. …what is a generation to God , its not stated in the scriptures… Doesn’t have to be. Jesus is talking to his mortal disciples at the Olivet Discourse. It is HE that is telling THEM that a generation wouldn’t pass til He came back. ….we cant pretend that revelations isnt for us,… It is, BUT not in the way you are thinking. You want it to be written specifically for you living now, as if John wrote it and put Don’t open til xyz number of years passes. This isn’t the case though. Revelation was written to people that were alive in the first century, actually, all the NT was! Imagine as if you are reading someone else’s mail. Yes it may speak to you, but that doesn’t mean it didn’t speak to the original audience. AND, it was probably more apt to the original audience. …if you gave all authority to the Bible, then you wouldnt try to alter it by false doctrine that you are telling these people…. I DO give full authority to the Bible, that’s why I’m a Preterist. …Revelation is for us, daniel,Isa, ezk, and all other books that prophecy of the rapture and the battle of Armageddon... For us to look back on and see how God did exactly what he said he would do. With the dating in Daniel, we KNOW Daniel wasn’t written for us. Daniel’s 70 “weeks” are one after the other, they are NOT separated at the 69th and 70th. That is an a false doctrine to say they are. It isn’t Biblical. ….We are supposed to use scripture from the Bible here to prove our positions, as far as Im concerned you haven’t… Well, I’m sorry you feel that way, but I do use the Bible. ...And I feel sorry for those who believe it are going to be disappointed when Jesus raptures the Church… I feel sorry for those who are going to be disappointed in an event that won’t ever happen again. …. I pray always for Israel, we are the wild branch,, grafted into the vine, not Isreal, they are Gods chosen people, we are adopted into the family of God Israel are Gods Children…. I pray for Jews too, but the modern nation of Israel is little more then a humanist state, that will continue to have problems till they recognize Jesus. Israel becoming a state means nothing. Saying Jews are saved by their flesh is a heresy. One is saved by Grace and only justified via faith, not flesh. Take care, SUEDE |
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17 | The second coming of Jesus | Bible general Archive 2 | Suede67 | 96674 | ||
Hey Taleb, Thanks for writing me, and I appreciate your kind words and encouragement. Yes, you are correct, to the Jews, because of the OT, a generation DOES equal forty years. Dairy Leader was stating that what is a generation to God. Well, on that we don’t know. However, this isn’t a good angle if you’ll notice. Again, to paraphrase myself, you have the immortal talking to the mortal. Christ is telling his mortal disciples a timeline. Same in Revelation of course. Note, Christ tells John He is coming soon. Now remember, this again is an immortal telling a mortal, not the other way around! Thanks again, take care, SUEDE |
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18 | The second coming of Jesus | Bible general Archive 2 | Suede67 | 96675 | ||
Hi Darcy, ….For what you believe the 69 and 70th week has to be seperated. (32AD and 70AD lets see there are 38 years seperateing not 7) And yes the Bible does seperate the two. Read Danial 9 again…. Actually it doesn’t. Daniel was told things in a linear timeline, without gaps. He was told that they would be coming out of exile, the temple would be rebuilt, the Messiah would come, die, tribulation, and his return. This alone makes modern Talmudist Judaism invalid. Many Christians today are under Dispensationalism, which to work must fit a now 2,000 year gap between the Messiah and his second coming. The problem is, this isn’t Biblical. ... Most people on here are Christians waiting on that blessed hope... I know they are, and it’s unforunate that Premillennialism and Dispensationalism are still popular now. …Jews will be saved when they see Christ come back and see his pierced hands…. No. Jews will be saved when they believe. ….Zech 12:10 I will pour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the Spirit of grace and of supplication, so that they will look on Me whom they have pierced; and they will mourn for Him, as one mourns for an only son, and they will weep bitterly over Him like the bitter weeping over a firstborn. Before you look at that verse and say hay look its another poem. Don't bother because I know that is what your going to say….. Actually that’s not what I was going to say. That event DID happen. This is one of quite a few prophecies about God pouring out his spirit on the people. This was fulfilled at the Day of Pentecost, read the beginning of Acts. Take care, SUEDE |
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19 | The second coming of Jesus | Bible general Archive 2 | Suede67 | 96859 | ||
Hi Darcy, ….Why does it matter if a generation is 40 years?… Because that is the time frame that Christ said he would be back. Though we don’t know the day or the hour, we can ball park to around 70 AD. ….The olivet discourse does not say anything about a generation being 40 years it states that it WILL NOT PASS AWAY!…. It wouldn’t pass away UNTIL all these things have happened. All those things happened in the first century, and remember Christ was telling this to his disciples, these were things that THEY were to look for. ….My Generation hasn't passed away yet…. True, but Christ was speaking about the generation of the 1 st century. “I tell you the truth, THIS generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.” Either they did, or Christ lied or erred. It’s quite simple. I know it’s different then the traditions you’ve been taught, but we must turn authority over to the Bible. The Bible states Christ will be back in 40 years. Tradition says “Whenever!” I personally go with the Bible. Take care, SUEDE |
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Not ignored, understood. But if you would like to share your understanding of it, I'll listen. Take care, SUEDE |
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