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1 | Have we been resisting the holy spirit? | 1 Cor 14:22 | leolipwee | 51738 | ||
thanx Tim, you are right, i am not comfortable referring the Holy Spirit as a 'Person' but its because the Bible did not clearly indicate so. if the Bible says so, then it is so. for me who is so young in his walk with JESUS, its the only physical/tangible and undisputable Word of GOD that i can firmly hold on to. i pray that the promised blessings in the Bible will chase after you as it is for others believing JESUS as their saviour. i shall continue my walk then. Shalom to you my brother in Christ leolipwee |
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2 | Have we been resisting the holy spirit? | 1 Cor 14:22 | leolipwee | 51734 | ||
Thanx Tim! i finally understand why the term 'Person' was used. i believe that each member of the Trinity is a thinking, feeling, relating Being, not simply a natural force too, just that i refer the Holy Spirit as a 'Spirit' and not a 'Person' because i was not able to find any references to text that indicates clearly that the Holy Spirit is a 'Person'. and because i did not find the text references that you have given me on the previous post, i did not know how to reference to the Holy Spirit (usually referring as "it"). as such, there were many confusion that people think that i do not believe that the Holy Spirit is not simply a force, but one of awareness, feelings, capable of works, ... etc helped me you did! :) but can you tell me how was my answer useful in telling you where i am from? or rather can you tell me where you think i am from? leolipwee |
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3 | Have we been resisting the holy spirit? | 1 Cor 14:22 | leolipwee | 51732 | ||
Hi Tim, i believe that the Son is a person, but i have yet to recieve teachings about my Abba FATHER GOD as a person. however i read before that He used to walk with Adam and Eve, chat with Abraham (Abram) and wrestled with Israel (Jacob). so i believe i see my FATHER in Heaven as a person. does that help you to see where i am from? :) leolipwee |
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4 | Have we been resisting the holy spirit? | 1 Cor 14:22 | leolipwee | 51727 | ||
Thanx Tim, the references are so dear to me. just a few notes, can you help to see whether i got my perspective right: 1) Is. 63:10 - the Holy Spirit, not yet revealed to the people, could only have recognised GOD's spirit (that HE is Holy). however, within the context, it is not so known which spirit is Isaiah referring to. we can only guess. 4) Acts 1:2 - JESUS too relied on the Holy Spirit while in His walk on mortal world. what He had done was a perfect example of what we should be doing- relying on the Holy Spirit to guide us regarding GOD's will. 7) Acts 7:51 - in the context of the passage, He was resisted by unbelievers if i am not wrong, not believers. 9) Acts 15:28 - the line 'when it seemed good to the Holy Spirit' did not indicated that the Holy Spirit made the decisions. the Holy Spirit gave witness that it 'seemed' good. But the decision makers were the people in the council, namely Peter, Barnabas, Paul, James, Simon, Barsabas, Silas and other unnamed apostles and elders as well as the writer of Acts. but noticed why it 'seemed' good? Doesn't it tell you that the writer too was unsure that it was 'really' good? in fact, many of the people who made the decision have yet to realise the fullness of GOD's grace (Jewish tradition holds as you would have noticed from the letter that they wrote). yet the Bible is honest to record such instances. that's also why the Bible is so believable for me. :) 2) Mk. 13:11 - see below. 3) Lk. 12:12 - see below. 5) Acts 5:3 - see below. 6) Acts 5:32 - see below. 8) Acts 9:31 - see below. 10) Acts 16:6 - see below. 11) Acts 20:23 - see below. 12) Acts 20:28 - see below. 13) Rom. 15:16 - see below. 14) 2 Tim. 1:14 - see below. 15) Heb. 9:8 - see below. 16) Heb. 10:15 - see below. 17) 2 Pet. 1:21 - see below. these passages i have read and (think i)understand. the key question is that why can this be only be done by a 'Person' and not 'Spirit'? i can understand now that the Holy Spirit is referred to with the masculine pronoun 'He'. But i have yet still to understand why is the Holy Spirit a 'Person'? the way i interpretted the Scriptures you have listed is that the Holy Spirit is a 'Spirit', as it has been recorded. i don't remember an occurance where it is recorded that the Holy Spirit is a Holy 'Person'. why then couldn't it be that the Holy Spirit, as a 'Spirit' sent by GOD, can perform the points which you have listed? why must He be refered to as a 'Person' then? the Holy Spirit that i know of (the reason why GOD sent Him is as listed in John 16:7-15), can give us help, comfort, heal, personal edification, the power to speak in tongues, to have knowledge, teachings, revelations, as well as prophesies (as shown thoughout 1 Corinthian 12 and throughout your listed points), from our Abba FATHER GOD, via inner promptings, prophetic utterance from prophets, external circumstances, or by manifestation. to me, being a 'Spirit' and being a 'Person' has a difference. to me, saying that the Holy Spirit is a 'Person' brings Him down to our level. we don't say that angels can be refered to as a 'Person' too, do we? to me, the Holy Spirit is not the third 'Person' in the Trinity but the third 'Spirit'. are there any records in the Bible then, that states but not imply that the Holy Spirit is a 'Person'? if there isn't, why do many keep saying that He is one then? why not leave the word as it is, as the 'Holy Spirit', as a 'Spirit'? i hope that i do not sound too stubborn. its just that i, being young in my walk with JESUS, have yet to aquire the right teachings. i am still learning to walk. :) once again, thank you, my brother in Christ. leolipwee |
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5 | Have we been resisting the holy spirit? | 1 Cor 14:22 | leolipwee | 51471 | ||
:) i think i understand what you are trying to tell me. letme see if i get it right. if you are telling me that because i called the Holy Spirit "it", it (no pun intended) means that i think that the Holy Spirit is indistinguishable from being a gift, promise or power, i have to admit- yes i think of the Holy Spirit in that way, all rolled into one. But to me, the meaning attached is slightly different. the Holy Spirit is both the Gift, the Promise, and the Power from our FATHER GOD, as well as the Giver of personal edification, the power to speak in tongues, to have knowledge, teachings, revelations, as well as prophesies. i referred to the Holy Spirit as it, because simply, i don't know the sex. as such i do not know how to reference the Holy Spirit properly. perhaps someone seeing this post can shed some light from me on how to reference the Holy Spirit properly. to me the Holy Spirit is simply a Spirit, not a Person. although in Acts 13:2, the Holy Spirit said something, past references have always shown that the Holy Spirit gives a person utterance in boldness and knowledge in and of GOD. i have checked the references like you have mentioned, and i could not find the suggestion that the Holy Spirit is a Person. the most plausible explanation for Acts 13:2 that the Holy Spirit is not a Person and a Spirit, is that the bible gave the glory to the Holy Spirit as the speaker. it would have been odd to read for example that Simeon that being filled with the Spirit, said "Set apart for Me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them.". would it have been the speaker's works? it has to be from GOD, and yet they did not have recorded "GOD said" because JESUS already told them our FATHER GOD has sent a Helper. they probably have recognised the Holy Spirit as GOD's revealer of mysteries. Also, if the Holy Spirit is a Person, there was no record here of its manifestation. therefore, i conclude that the Holy Spirit may have spoke IN all present because there are no different Holy Spirit. i believe the Holy Spirit has no other will except to do the will and purpose of FATHER GOD (John 16:7-15). until someone have a biblical supported answer that is different from my understand of the Holy Spirit (that "i found that the Holy Spirit is not only a witness to GOD, it gives the person personal edification, the power to speak in tongues, to have knowledge, teachings, revelations, as well as prophesies."), i think i'll stick to that. ah yes, the call of the bed. have a good rest then. i thank you for the insights that you have provided me with. its as invaluable as Hank's post to me. i pray that your rest be blessed. from my heart, the young walker with JESUS, leolipwee |
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6 | speaking in tongues | 1 Cor 14:22 | leolipwee | 51361 | ||
that's true Hank, the Bible IS the singular revelation of God to man. :) letme explain why i have those impressions (or revelations that we common call them), taking notice that the Bible pointed the Holy Spirit in the direction of speaking in tongues, having teachings, revelations, knowledge, and also prohesies. in Acts 1:4, the unbelievers being FILLED with the Holy Spirit, spoke in tongues, justifying what was mentioned in 1 Corinthian 14:22. not only that, they understood one another. But they don't HAVE the Holy Spirit, as seen in Acts 2:38, because they have yet to recieve it. Again in Acts 4:8 and in Act 4:31, we see the gift again. There are many others passages that shows that the Holy Spirit is not only a witness to GOD, it gives the person knowledge, teachings, revelations, as well as prophesies. As such, i don't think there are "SPECIAL POWERS", its just the Holy Spirit at work. Anything special that men attest to are just to boast men's PRIDE, the very thing that JESUS didn't like the Pharisees to do. All the wonderful works are done through the Holy Spirit by GOD in JESUS's name, like healing. But revelations, that's part of the reason why JESUS gave us the Holy Spirit. You have it too and it has been actively showing you new ways to look at GOD, hasn't it? :) i gladly recieve your prayer, and i pray that my eyes will not stray away from the Bible about GOD's words. thank you Hank. Shalom, leolipwee |
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7 | speaking in tongues | 1 Cor 14:22 | leolipwee | 51352 | ||
yes you may call me leo, that's how my other brothers, sisters and friends have too called me. ;) About the expression 'being in the spirit' (or Spirit?), i have something additional that i want to share and perhaps you have a different revelation from mine. i noticed that while we know we HAVE the Holy Spirit, i think it is different from being IN the Holy Spirit. i sorta think that the difference is that whenever we HAVE the Holy Spirit, he presents to us witness to the truth and helps us as JESUS would have. But when we are IN the Holy Spirit, we have more gifts, like speaking in tongues, having teachings, revelations, knowledge, and even prohesies. but i think we don't have all the gifts as mentioned above, because we are not FILLED WITH the Holy Spirit. To me, i feel that its our faith in His Name that will position the Holy Spirit, enabling us to have different gifts. i have prayed for such faith too. For me, my young walk with JESUS has pushed me from faith to faith, and it showed me tremendous works that i praise Him for. i pray that it had been for you too and hopefully, for those unbelievers out there in this forum. Shalom be in you Hank, leolipwee |
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8 | Why did God permit Abram to lie? | Genesis | leolipwee | 16205 | ||
It's true it was deception. To answer that, it is because God gave man freedom of choice to exercise his actions. God's act of giving man free choice over his actions can only be understood by His awesome LOVE for us. God took a big risk when he gave us a choice to love Him or to reject Him, but He still did it anyway. That shows how much God respected us! Remember, God could have FORCED us ALL to be saved if He wanted to... |
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