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1 | do we have any free will? | Bible general Archive 1 | kin | 34322 | ||
Thank you for your reply. I agree with you. Another good Scripture (one of many) is John 15. Love is a two way street, how can we have a relationship with God if we decide to turn away from Him? I am glad God gave us free will, because without free will there is no love...Kin |
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2 | do we have any free will? | Bible general Archive 1 | kin | 33025 | ||
I agree with you. If we have the freewill to sin after salvation, do we have the freewill to leave God? Kin | ||||||
3 | Only 900 "baptism" posts | 1 Cor 12:13 | kin | 27888 | ||
With that comment it is clear you don't understand the true meaning of baptism. Baptism is:"being buried with him (Christ) in baptism and raised with him through your faith in the power of God who raised him from the dead." Col. 2:12 When was the new covenant established? When was the curtain ripped in two? "Or don't you know that all of us who are baptized into Jesus are baptized into his DEATH?" The thief wasn't baptized because A: The covenent hadn't been established yet, because Jesus hadn't died. B: Jesus "has authority on earth to forgive sins..." Mark 2:10 If we don't agree on this subject, I know that I'll never convince you. Study the subject out for yourself. If you come to a change of mind, let me know. Maybe I'll catch you on another thread in the forum. Merry Christmas, Kin |
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4 | Only 900 "baptism" posts | 1 Cor 12:13 | kin | 27881 | ||
Merry Christmas to you too Hank,Nick | ||||||
5 | what is baptism | Bible general Archive 1 | kin | 27544 | ||
I like to use the example in 2 Kings 5. Although it has nothing to do with salvation, it has a lot to do with faith and illustrates a good point. Now Naaman was commander of the army of the king of Aram. He was a great man in the sight of his master and highly regarded, because through him the LORD had given victory to Aram. He was a valiant soldier, but he had leprosy. Now bands from Aram had gone out and had taken captive a young girl from Israel, and she served Naaman's wife.She said to her mistress, "If only my master would see the prophet who is in Samaria! He would cure him of his leprosy." Naaman went to his master and told him what the girl from Israel had said. "By all means, go," the king of Aram replied. "I will send a letter to the king of Israel." So Naaman left, taking with him ten talents of silver, six thousand shekels of gold and ten sets of clothing.The letter that he took to the king of Israel read: "With this letter I am sending my servant Naaman to you so that you may cure him of his leprosy."As soon as the king of Israel read the letter, he tore his robes and said, "Am I God? Can I kill and bring back to life? Why does this fellow send someone to me to be cured of his leprosy? See how he is trying to pick a quarrel with me!"When Elisha the man of God heard that the king of Israel had torn his robes, he sent him this message: "Why have you torn your robes? Have the man come to me and he will know that there is a prophet in Israel." So Naaman went with his horses and chariots and stopped at the door of Elishas house.Elisha sent a messenger to say to him, "Go, wash yourself seven times in the Jordan, and your flesh will be restored and you will be cleansed." But Naaman went away angry and said, "I thought that he would surely come out to me and stand and call on the name of the LORD his God, wave his hand over the spot and cure me of my leprosy. Are not Abana and Pharpar, the rivers of Damascus, better than any of the waters of Israel? Couldn't I wash in them and be cleansed?" So he turned and went off in a rage. Naaman's servants went to him and said, "My father, if the prophet had told you to do some great thing, would you not have done it? How much more, then, when he tells you, Wash and be cleansed!" So he went down and dipped himself in the Jordan seven times, as the man of God had told him, and his flesh was restored and became clean like that of a young boy. Then Naaman and all his attendants went back to the man of God. He stood before him and said, "Now I know that there is no God in all the world except in Israel. Please accept now a gift from your servant." Point to make is this: Naaman went on the word of the servant girl to be healed. When arriving at the prophets house he didn’t get what he expected and went off in a rage. Would he have been healed if he didn’t go to the Jordan and dip himself seven times as he was instructed? Was it the water that healed him? Or was it faith, accompanied by obedience that healed him. It was his faith that the prophet could heal him and his obedience to go into the water that healed him. It is the same with baptism. Does the water save you? Or is it the faith accompanied by obedience that saves you? It is the faith that Jesus is the Son of God and obedience to the command to be baptized that saves you. Without faith your just getting wet; without obedience you are disobeying God. As John states “We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands. The man who says I know him but does not do what he commands is a liar and the truth is not in him.” 1 John 2:3-4 Or as Paul states in Col. 2:12-“Having been buried with him in baptism and raised with him through your faith in the power of God who raised him from the dead.” Rom. 6 is the potrayal of what happens to the person at baptism. That is why he address the Christians, Don’t you know? Of course they do, baptism was a given back then. Kin |
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6 | Only 900 "baptism" posts | 1 Cor 12:13 | kin | 27531 | ||
Sure... Kin |
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7 | Only 900 "baptism" posts | 1 Cor 12:13 | kin | 27294 | ||
Acts 2:38 Mark 16:16 1 Peter 3:21 "this water saves you" Acts 22:16 "wash away your sins" Rom. 6:1-10 "or don't you know...?" Taking the sum of thy word and putting it in context with these passages makes it clear. As appossed to taking NO scripture and coming up with baptism is an "outward sign". Kin |
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8 | Only 900 "baptism" posts | 1 Cor 12:13 | kin | 27293 | ||
There was one reference to Acts 8:38 as defense for "outward sign", which is purely assumption. |
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9 | what is baptism | Bible general Archive 1 | kin | 27292 | ||
The old test. sacrifices were animals and couldn't completely cleanse. Jesus is the new "condition". Completed at his death. The curtain of the temple was ripped in two. Signifing the end of the old covenent and the beginning of the new. Baptism is "being buried with him in his death..."Rom 6:1-10. No one was buried in Jesus death in the old test. He came, died and estalished it at "the proper time." God changed the "conditions" because The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming--not the realities themselves. For this reason it can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship. If it could, would they not have stopped being offered? For the worshipers would have been cleansed once for all, and would no longer have felt guilty for their sins. But those sacrifices are an annual reminder of sins, because it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.Therefore, when Christ came into the world, he said: "Sacrifice and offering you did not desire, but a body you prepared for me; with burnt offerings and sin offerings you were not pleased. Then I said, Here I am--it is written about me in the scroll-- I have come to do your will, O God."First he said, "Sacrifices and offerings, burnt offerings and sin offerings you did not desire, nor were you pleased with them" (although the law required them to be made). Then he said, "Here I am, I have come to do your will." He sets aside the first to establish the second. And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. Day after day every priest stands and performs his religious duties; again and again he offers the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. But when this priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God. Since that time he waits for his enemies to be made his footstool, because by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy. The Holy Spirit also testifies to us about this. First he says: "This is the covenant I will make with them after that time, says the Lord. I will put my laws in their hearts, and I will write them on their minds." Kin |
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10 | what is baptism | Bible general Archive 1 | kin | 26842 | ||
Mark 16:16 1 Peter 3:21 This water now SAVES you Acts 2:38 |
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11 | Only 900 "baptism" posts | 1 Cor 12:13 | kin | 26841 | ||
Hank, Thank you for the words of wisdom. I agree with you that the only truth there is, is the Word of God. That is why this thread started to begin with. I asked where it taught water baptism as an outward sign in the Bible, and have been bombarded with everything but Bible. Is my question not fair to ask? Should I accept peoples opinion over scripture? This discussion has definetly been pulled far from the simple answer I asked for in the beginning. It's taken paths that have caused me to sin in my responses. I regret some of the things I have said but still hang here waiting for an answer to the original question... Kin |
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12 | what is baptism | Bible general Archive 1 | kin | 26840 | ||
The point being made was that baptism isn't a work but it is an act of obedience to Gods command. I don't preach two gospels but one. Rightousness in the old test. was obtained through the same faith that saves us in the new test. but with different conditions. Gen. 12 God called Abram to leave his country. His faith was shown from the very beginning through his obedience. The new test. commands us to be baptized (Acts 2:38; Mark 16:16:Matt. 28:18-20). Your faith is reflected in your obedience to Gods command. Kin |
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13 | Only 900 "baptism" posts | 1 Cor 12:13 | kin | 26834 | ||
The question "where in the Bible does it say water baptism is an outward sign?" has NEVER been answered. The reason it is not answered is because no one can or ever will find this teaching in the Bible. | ||||||
14 | what is baptism | Bible general Archive 1 | kin | 26813 | ||
To understand conversion one has to understand the book of Acts. All the letters were written to churches; christians. Of coarse you won't find the details of conversion in the letters because they were written to people that already knew how to be converted. This explains why it doesn't always mention repentence, but it is essential to salvation. Does the lack of mentioning repentance nullify the need to repent? No. It is the same with baptism. So, again I say, look to the book of Acts. There you find baptism everywhere! I have wrestled with this subject from both points of veiw for the past 6 1/2 years and the scripture proves again and again when taken in context, that Gods command to be baptized is essential to salvation. Have you sincerely looked at this issue from both points of veiw without any preconceived notions? Can it hurt? If I didn't care I wouldn't keep this up. Kin |
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15 | is the bible the inerrent word of God? | Bible general Archive 1 | kin | 26809 | ||
OK. I ended up with the post in my email. Sorry. Kin |
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16 | what is baptism | Bible general Archive 1 | kin | 26808 | ||
1. So while miraculous events surrounded the conversion of "Cornelius And His Household", their salvation was no different from what we have already seen... a. They heard the gospel of Jesus Christ b. They were taught to believe and be baptized -- Thus they were saved "in the same manner" as all those previously 2. As Peter said at the council, it is "through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ" that both Gentiles and Jews are saved - cf. Ac 15:11 a. We are saved by grace, not works - cf. Ep 2:5,8; Ti 3:4-5 b. For it is not enough to be religious... 1) Who could be more religious than Cornelius? 2) Or even the 3000 at Pentecost, or the Ethiopian eunuch? 3. The grace of God which saves does require a response, however... a. A response of faith - Ac 10:43 b. A faith in Jesus that comes by hearing the gospel - Ac 10:42 c. A faith which expresses itself in obedience - cf. He 5:9 1) E.g., repentance and baptism - cf. Ac 2:38; 3:19; 10:48 2) Not as works of merit, but as acts of faith by which one receives God's grace Those of us who are not descended from Israel can rejoice in what God revealed with the conversion of "Cornelius And His Household". As properly concluded by the Jewish brethren in Jerusalem: "...God has also granted to the Gentiles repentance to life." (Ac 11:16) |
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17 | what is baptism | Bible general Archive 1 | kin | 26807 | ||
II. OBSERVATIONS REGARDING THIS CONVERSION A. RELIGIOUS PEOPLE NEED TO BE SAVED... 1. Many people believe that if you are religious, you will be saved a. That if you go to church, do good, etc., you have a hope of heaven b. That you will have earned the right to enter heaven 2. Yet, though Cornelius was a man who... a. Was a devout man b. Feared God with his whole family c. Gave alms generously d. Prayed to God always ...he still needed to be told "words by which you and all your household will be saved" 3. Clearly, being religious isn't what saves you (it's the blood of Christ!) B. THE GOSPEL IS FOR ALL... 1. Peter perceived that God is no respecter of persons - Ac 10: 34-35 2. Indeed, God desires that ALL men be saved - cf. Jn 3:16; 1 Ti 2:3-6; 2 Pe 3:9 -- Therefore He has not predestined some to be saved and others lost! C. THE PURPOSE OF THE SPIRIT FALLING... 1. Some presume that the purpose was to save Cornelius and his family a. That therefore they were saved before obeying the command to be baptized b. But the Spirit came upon them as Peter "began to speak", before they could hear words by which they could be saved! - cf. Ac 11:14-15 2. The purpose of the Spirit can be gleaned from the following: a. The effect it had on the Jewish brethren who were present, and Peter's response - Ac 10:45-47 b. The reaction of the Jewish brethren in Jerusalem when Peter told them what happened - Ac 11:17-18 c. Peter's explanation at the council held later in Jerusalem - Ac 15:7-11 3. The purpose of the Spirit falling on them was therefore to show Jewish brethren... a. That God was no respecter of persons - Ac 10:34-35 b. That God was willing to grant them opportunity to repent and have life - Ac 11:18 c. That Gentiles could be saved in the same way as Jews... 1) By faith, repentance, and baptism - Ac 15:9,11; cf. 2:38 with 10:48 2) Which faith comes through hearing the word of God - Ro 10:17 D. THE POINT AT WHICH CORNELIUS WAS SAVED... 1. Remember that Cornelius was told to send for Peter, who would tell him: a. "what you must do." - Ac 10:6 b. "words by which you...shall be saved." - Ac 11:14 2. From this, and from what we have already seen in other conversions... a. Cornelius was not saved until he heard the "words" (i.e., after the sermon) b. Cornelius was not saved until he obeyed what he was told to do c. What were the words he was told to do? 1) Certainly they were told to believe, as implied in Ac 10:43 2) Clearly they were told to be baptized, as commanded in Ac 10:48 3. Thus Cornelius and his household were not saved until they "believed and were baptized"! - cf. Mk 16:16; Ac 8:12,13 |
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18 | what is baptism | Bible general Archive 1 | kin | 26806 | ||
E. AS PETER BEGINS TO SPEAK, THE SPIRIT FALLS UPON THE LISTENERS... 1. At this point, we need to carefully note the actual sequence of events 2. Luke's record gives attention to the sermon first, and then the Spirit coming upon the Gentiles - cf. Ac 10:34-44 a. But Luke also says that "while Peter was still speaking... the Holy Spirit fell" b. From this we do not exactly when the Spirit fell c. It could have been at the beginning, in the middle, toward the end, of his sermon 3. Peter, however, explained what happened "in order from the beginning" - Ac 11:4 a. He describes the events as they happened b. He says "as I began to speak, the Holy Spirit fell upon them" - Ac 11:15 4. So we learn from Peter that the Spirit actually came upon the Gentiles at the BEGINNING of the sermon! 5. With the Spirit falling upon the Gentiles, they began speaking with tongues, which amazed Peter and his Jewish companions - Ac 10:45-46; cf. Ac 2:4,6,8,11 F. PETER'S SERMON TO THE HOUSEHOLD OF CORNELIUS... 1. He begins with a full perception that God shows no partiality - Ac 10:34-35 a. A perception started with the vision of the sheet and unclean beasts b. A perception continued with the Spirit's instruction to go with the messengers c. A perception made clear with the Spirit falling upon the Gentiles - Ac 11:15-17 2. Peter then proceeds to proclaim Jesus Christ - Ac 10:36-43 a. As Lord who was anointed with the Holy Spirit and power - Ac 10:36-38 b. Who was killed, but then raised from the dead and seen by eyewitnesses who knew Him well - Ac 10:39-41 c. Who has commanded the apostles to proclaim Him as ordained by God to be the Judge of the living and dead - Ac 10:42 d. Through Whom remission of sins is offered to those who believe - Ac 10:43 G. PETER COMMANDS THEM TO BE BAPTIZED... 1. How could anyone forbid water to those who had received the Spirit just as the apostles did? - Ac 10:47; cf. 11:17-18 2. So Cornelius and his household were commanded to be baptized in the name of the Lord - Ac 10:48 [The events surrounding this conversion are certainly remarkable. They evidently were intended to convey important truths. As we endeavor to glean what those truths were, here are some...] |
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19 | what is baptism | Bible general Archive 1 | kin | 26805 | ||
Cornelius And His Household (10:1-48; 11:1-18) INTRODUCTION 1. Up to this point, the gospel had been somewhat limited in its outreach... a. It had spread throughout Judea, Galilee and Samaria - Ac 9:31 b. But other than the Samaritans (who were half Jewish), it had gone only to the Jews 2. With the conversion of "Cornelius And His Household" the first Gentiles are saved... a. A conversion noted not only because they were the first Gentiles b. But also because of the miraculous events that precipitated the conversion a. An angel appearing to Cornelius b. Peter's vision, followed by the Spirit's instruction c. The Spirit falling upon Cornelius, his family, and close friends d. Cornelius and his household speaking in tongues 3. As in the case of Saul of Tarsus, we have more than just one account of the conversion... a. There is Luke's description - Ac 10:1-48 b. There is Peter's description, as he is called to defend his actions - Ac 11:1-18 4. Important questions are raised as we consider the events of this conversion... a. Exactly when did the Spirit fall upon Cornelius and his company? b. What was the purpose of the Spirit falling upon them? c. Were they saved when the Spirit came upon them, or later when they were baptized? [These are some of the questions I intend to answer as we examine the conversion of "Cornelius And His Household". Since we have two accounts, let's consider them together as we start with...] I. A HARMONY OF THE CONVERSION OF CORNELIUS AND HIS HOUSEHOLD A. THE ANGEL APPEARS TO CORNELIUS... 1. Cornelius, a centurion, is a very religious man - Ac 10:1-2 2. The angel appears to him - Ac 10:3-6 a. With an announcement that his prayers and alms have been noticed by God b. With instructions to send for Peter; please note: 1) The angel said, "He will tell you what you must do." - Ac 10:6 2) As Peter recounts it, "...who will tell you words by which you and all your household will be saved." - Ac 11:14 3. Cornelius then sends two servants and a devout soldier to Peter - Ac 10:7-8 B. PETER HAS A VISION... 1. While the three men are traveling toward Peter, he has a vision - Ac 10:9-16; 11:4-10 a. It involves a sheet descending from heaven, containing all sorts of creatures b. A voice tells Peter to "kill and eat" c. Peter objects, for he has never eaten anything common or unclean d. The voice tells him, "What God has cleansed you must not call common." 2. Three times the vision is repeated C. THE SPIRIT TELLS PETER TO GO WITH THE MESSENGERS... 1. The men from Cornelius arrive as Peter contemplates the vision - Ac 10:17-18; 11:11 2. The Spirit tells Peter to go, "doubting nothing, for I have sent them" - Ac 10:19-20; 11:12 3. Peter receives the men and takes six with him as they go to Cornelius - Ac 10:21-23; 11:12 D. PETER ARRIVES AT CORNELIUS' HOUSE... 1. Cornelius has gathered his family and close friends - Ac 10:24 2. Peter deflects an attempt by Cornelius to worship him - Ac 10: 25-26 3. Peter explains his presence a violation of Jewish custom, but now understands "I should not call any man common or unclean" - Ac 10:27-28 4. Asked by Peter to explain why he was called, Cornelius recounts the appearance and instructions of the angel - Ac 10:29-32; 11:13-14 5. Cornelius and his household were ready "to hear all things commanded you by God" - Ac 10:33 |
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20 | what is baptism | Bible general Archive 1 | kin | 26799 | ||
Where does the Bible teach that water baptism is an "outward sign"? | ||||||
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