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1 | Does sin prove one is not a believer? | 1 Cor 6:9 | SBoone | 158016 | ||
Good points Mark, You could add Matt 22 the parable of the wedding feast as a Biblical example of standing on your own works. The parable says one man chose not to accept the wedding garment (Christ's robe of righteousness), and wear his own clothes (his own righteousness). The end result in vs 13 was being cast out into the outer darkness. God Bless, SBoone |
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2 | Confused of the 10 Commandments. | Rom 13:8 | SBoone | 157431 | ||
Hello Kalos, You said, 'But let it be immediately understood that this does not mean to say that we should necessarily behave in a manner just opposite to what the Mosaic law commands—that we should kill, steal, bear false witness, etc. Long before the law was given through Moses, it was utterly wrong to do such evil things. . .2' This is really the point is it not. I agree that the new testament teaches we are no longer under the law. When Christ said a new commandment I give you that you love one another. Am I under that law or not? Even this law if broken can be forgiven and wiped clean, but as a child of God I desire to do the will of God. If it His will for me not to murder then I choose not to murder. There are many occassions where after teaching that that we are not under the law the Bible goes on to say "does that mean we go on sinning? May it never be". See Rom 6:15 one verse after one of yours listed above. See also Rom 7:22 "I joyfully concur with the law of God in the inner man". Also, Gal 3:21 which teaches that the law is not contrary to the promise. If we are not to continue on in sin what does that mean? 1 Jn 3:4 says sin is the breaking of the law. I do not dispute that we are no longer under the law. I absolutely do not want to place myself back under the law, but now that I'm free I serve out of love. God Bless, SBoone |
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3 | Confused of the 10 Commandments. | Rom 13:8 | SBoone | 157424 | ||
Hello Kalos, I'm not suggesting you believe this, but I think we need to be careful not to teach that the OT is void unless it is confirmed in the NT. I believe the safer method is accept all that God teaches until He Himself says it is changed. 2 Tim 3:16 "All scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching" That said I do believe there are teachings in the NT that remove certain OT laws, but they are clearly stated. God Bless, SBoone |
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4 | OT Spirit limited by choice or Cross? | John 3:11 | SBoone | 157021 | ||
Kalos, You speak the truth when you say that "The Holy Spirit must never be considered merely as a blessing, a feeling, or an influence". I did not mean to imply that He was anything else. Thanks, SBoone |
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5 | What happens to our soul when we die? | Luke 12:20 | SBoone | 156895 | ||
Hi Mark, Someone made the comment to me that perhaps I was jumping into these discussions too carelessly. Are the people answering questions usually pastors? Should a layperson like myself not be answering questions? I don't want to rock the boat. Thanks, SBoone |
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6 | What happens to our soul when we die? | Luke 12:20 | SBoone | 156892 | ||
Your point is well taken. I certainly apologize if my posts appear to be "cavalier" in any way. Thank you SBoone |
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7 | IS LAZARUS AND THE RICH MAN A PARABLE | Luke 16:19 | SBoone | 156890 | ||
Hi Mark, This is indeed a very powerful arguement. I would never encourage someone to use their own wisdom to interpret scripture. The only thing we can do is interpret scripture with scripture. The Bible talks about the sun rising and setting. The Bible talks about the four corners of the Earth. Should we take every word literally in scripture? My answer is absolutely yes! Unless the context of the entire scriptures proves otherwise. The Bible teaches that the dead don't know anything, their thoughts have perished, and they do not comprehend the things on earth. It is in this context that I would suggest that when the Bible says it was Samuel it is in contect of the witch and Saul believing it was Samuel, but was infact exactly what we would expect should a witch call up a dead person to speak to us today. I feel it is very important not to place our wisdom or our tradition in a higher standing than that of scripture. Is that clarifying my thoughts or complicating things further? God bless, SBoone |
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8 | IS LAZARUS AND THE RICH MAN A PARABLE | Luke 16:19 | SBoone | 156889 | ||
Sorry kalos, I thought I was responding to mark d sevier. I'm still getting used to this sites format. I agree with you that we need to take the scripture literally. It is the only safe way for us to study. SBoone |
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9 | IS LAZARUS AND THE RICH MAN A PARABLE | Luke 16:19 | SBoone | 156888 | ||
Hi Mark, This is indeed a very powerful arguement. I would never encourage someone to use their own wisdom to interpret scripture. The only thing we can do is interpret scripture with scripture. The Bible talks about the sun rising and setting. The Bible talks about the four corners of the Earth. Should we take every word literally in scripture? My answer is absolutely yes! Unless the context of the entire scriptures proves otherwise. The Bible teaches that the dead don't know anything, their thoughts have perished, and they do not comprehend the things on earth. It is in this context that I would suggest that when the Bible says it was Samuel it is in contect of the witch and Saul believing it was Samuel, but was infact exactly what we would expect should a witch call up a dead person to speak to us today. I feel it is very important not to place our wisdom or our tradition in a higher standing than that of scripture. Is that clarifying my thoughts or complicating things further? God bless, SBoone |
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10 | What happens to our soul when we die? | Luke 12:20 | SBoone | 156887 | ||
Good morning, Sorry I missed your comment last night. Unfortunately I don't have internet I can use at home other than my palm phone which is impractical to use with much typing. Is 65:17 - I agree that remembrance does not preclude existance. However, in Heaven or the new Earth we would certainly be aware if there were millions of people suffering eternal torment. So to me "the former things will not be remembered or come to mind" would mean at some point the wickeds existance would come to an end so that we could have closure on the sin issue. The key for me in 2 Pet 3:10 is "the earth and its works will be burned up". The earth itself has no works in need of burning up. I would suggest this refers to the unredeemed. Mt 10:28 echoes several texts that talk about the soul being destroyed. In fact here it is very specific that the soul of the unredeemed will be destroyed in hell. The everlasting punishment again is death. Their death is everlasting. Once they are destoyed that act will not be undone. Mal 4:1 I agree this is a metaphor. I interpret it as a metaphor for the end of time (What is your understanding?). I don't disagree that root and branch refer to lineage. I read this verse that "every evildoer will be chaff" burned to dust, and that the root and branch that is represented in the lineage by this individual will be cut off and burned. This will leave them nothing. See also John 15:6 "If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away as a branch and dries up; and they gather them, and cast them into the fire and they are burned". Ez 28:18,19 The different translations don't change my understanding of these texts. In fact they seem to afirm it. In vs. 18 NKJV says "I brought fire from you midst; It devoured you, and I turned you to ashes" Youngs is very similar as is KJV. The ashes that result from the devouring of the unredeemed lead to vs. 19 where "you have become a horror, and shall be no more forever"NKJV. Ps 37:10 I too wish I had a better understanding of Hebrew also. I agree with your understanding of the context, but would suggest that vs. 10 and 20 is predicting the destruction of the wicked. Mark, you really are very thorough in your study. I believe this is how we are to study the Bible. Is 28:9,10 tells us to do this. Then John 14:26 tells us that the Holy Spirit will teach us. Another way to look at this issue would be to ask why is it important. Is the belief one way or the other opening doors of opportunity to Satan? I would suggest that the fact that over one billion persons are going to pray to a dead person today is very troubling as a Christian. I don't know how many will hear responses, but I know many claim to do so. In your opinion to whom are these people speaking? If they hear a response whom have they heard from? If you were to stand on scripture to show a child of God why they should not pray to the dead how would you do it? I really enjoy studying with you. It appears the Lord is with you and I do not take lightly your comments or viewpoints. I spent quite a bit of time in prayer this morning asking the Lord to lead me to His truth. SBoone |
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11 | What happens to our soul when we die? | Luke 12:20 | SBoone | 156886 | ||
I was not sure what to put in that box and had seen it was optional so I had left it blank. I have put a brief bio down. If there is more you would like to know I'm happy to share. SBoone |
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12 | What happens to our soul when we die? | Luke 12:20 | SBoone | 156839 | ||
You are absolutely correct. We don't agree to disagree on false theology. Titus 1:9 says "Holding fast the faithful word which is in accordance with the teaching, so that he will be able both to exhort in sound doctine and to refute those who contradict. Mark too pointed out that I was misunderstanding the true nature of what was happening in Is 34. Thank you for setting me straight. I am sorry my ingnorance led to this error. Please forgive me. God Bless, SBoone |
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13 | IS LAZARUS AND THE RICH MAN A PARABLE | Luke 16:19 | SBoone | 156838 | ||
Hi again Mark, I really am looking forward to discussing some other topics that I'm sure you and I would hold in common. Your clear way of presenting your opinion is very challenging when you don't agree. The way I would read this is that the devil possessed woman who was "calling up Samuel" really thought she saw Samuel. Saul who was disobeying God really thought he was seeing Samuel. A Commentary, Critical and Explanatory, on the Old and New Testaments gives arguements in favor of "that this was a mere deception", but goes on to state "many eminent writers, are of opinion that Sameul really appeared. Matthew Henry's Commentary on the Whole Bible : Complete and Unabridged in One Volume says "to think that any good souls would come up at the beck of an evil spirit, or that God, who had denied a man the benefit of his own institutions, would suffer him to reap any real advantage by a cursed diabolical invention, was very absurd". He goes on to state that a saint would not "come up" since they are taken up at their death. Matt 7:17,18 "So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad furit. A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit". I would say that a devil possesed medium could not produce a real saint. I share your feelings toward Bible study. "My wisdom" is foolishness, so as the Lord reveals scripture to me I gladly cast off my foolishness in favor of His wisdom. Your brother, SBoone |
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14 | What happens to our soul when we die? | Luke 12:20 | SBoone | 156835 | ||
Hello Mark, I appreciate your extensive comments. I have taken some time to read through your comments and compare to several commentaries. I've got to say you are correct. I have been taught in the past that Edom's destruction was a specific destruction in the past, but I believe you are correct that it is pointing forward to the end of time. Thank you for setting me straight. Although my example does not hold true I still hold to the other comments that I have shared. Before I comment on Is 66 check out Is 65:17. "For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth; And the former things will not be remembered or come to mind". Also note 2 Peter 3:10-13. "But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar and the elements will be destroyed with intense heat, and the earth and its works will be burned up". Matt 10:28 Christ's words tell us "Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell". Mal 4:1 "For behold, the day is coming, burning like a furnace; and all the arrogant and every evil doer will be chaff, and the day that is coming will set them ablaze, says the Lord of hosts, so that it will leave them neither root nor branch". Ezekiel 28:18,19 "Therefore I have brought fire from the midst of you; It has consumed you, And I have turned you to ashes on the earth In the eyes of all who see you. All who know you among the peoples are appalled at you; You have become terrified And YOU WILL CEASE TO BE FOREVER". Ps 37:10 "yet a little while and the wicked man will be no more; And you will look carefully for his place and he will not be there". Jer 17:27 gives us a deeper understanding of what it means to not be quenched. "I will kindle a fire in its gates and it will devour the palaces of Jersalem and not be quenched". The fire that is devouring will not be quenched or put out. Now putting Is 66 into context of these other texts (including Is 65:17 just a few verses before) I would say that it means something different than the "miserable, pitiful remaining part" that remains when the rest of the wicked is burned away. The exact same Hebrew word translated worm is found in other places and is simply maggots preying upon dead bodies. This lines up with Is 66 who calls the dead "corpses". See Ex 16:20 worms fouled manna left over night. See Is 14:11 speaks of maggots as the deads covering. I know that Job 25:6 and Ps 22:6 can be used to support your comment of man being being a worm and a reproach, but I believe that in Is 66 you would take the first description so that it is in harmony with the rest of scripture. I probably have blown all credibility with my Edom illustration, but hopefully these texts will show that the Biblical perspective on all issues is so very important to me, in fact it is the only thing (Phil 3:7,8). Thank you again for your comments. SBoone |
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15 | IS LAZARUS AND THE RICH MAN A PARABLE | Luke 16:19 | SBoone | 156817 | ||
Have a great rest! Just one comment on the Samuel story. Saul went to a medium which God clearly says is detestable (Deut 18:10-15 ; Is 47:13,14) God refused to answer Sauls question (See vs 6). Immediately after Saul goes to the medium he is killed. I would say that even if I believed as you do in regard to state of the dead. I would have a hard time thinking God would allow a medium to call up a saint to give an answer God had refused to give. I believe Saul lost his life for speaking with demons. Again, If you believe that the dead are asleep you don't have to worry about whether or not a spiritualist could call up a saint with a special message for us. Such things are of the devil. Thank you for the discussion. You have made me think and challenge my own thoughts. Sleep well my friend. SBoone |
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16 | What happens to our soul when we die? | Luke 12:20 | SBoone | 156808 | ||
Hi Mark, Is 34:9,10 uses the same wording as the verse in Rev 14:9-11, regarding the destruction of Edom. Smoke goes up forever, and with burning that will not be quenched night or day. If after you have thoughtfully and prayerfully considered all the texts on both side of this issue and you can honestly tell yourself (in your heart)that you accept the scriptures as the word of God whether it is in harmony with our theology or not, then you are truly a disciple of Christ (John 8:31,32). I believe this allows room for disagreements in love. As Christians we can agree to disagree and pray for one another that we will be lead by the Spirit to a fuller understanding of scripture (which I understand may be me and I keep 1 Cor 2:13 to heart "which things we also speak, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, combining the spiritual thoughts with spiritual words"). God Bless |
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17 | What happens to our soul when we die? | Luke 12:20 | SBoone | 156799 | ||
Good Morning Mark, I must respectfully disagree that "of course the soul is immortal". The bible never says "Immortal soul", but it does refer to man as mortal several times (see Job 10:5 ; Ps 146:3 ; Is 13:12 ; Lam 3:39 ; Dan 2:11 ; Rom 6:12 ; Rom 8:11 ; 1 Cor 15:53,54 ; 2 Cor 4:11 ; 2 Cor 5:4 ; Heb 7:8) In reference to Is 66:24 I would suggest that the fire that can not be quenched means that the destruction is certain. There is no chance that that fire will be put out until all is destroyed. You will find the same language in Is 34:1-10 in regard to the destruction of Edom. Edom is not still burning today, but rather it burned until there was nothing left. I would say that Mt 25:46 means the punishment is everlasting (Death is the puhishment). They will never escape from death. They will be dead forever. Remember the soul that sins shall die (Eze 18:4). Also check out Jude 7. Here Sodom and Gomorrah are exhibited as an "example in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire". They still do not burn today, but rather they burned until they were burned up. 1 Sam 1:22 Hannah took Samuel to serve in the temple "forever" (which meant until his death). Even Satan himself will eventually be completely destroyed (Ez 28:18,19). David says in Ps 37:10 that the wicked will be no more. Mal 4:1 says there will be neither root nor branch left. Ps 145:20 says the wicked will be destroyed. Mt 10:28 says we should fear Him who destroys the soul. Rev 20:9 says that hell fire "devours". Just some point to consider. I will pray that the Lord guides me to the truth in you comments. After all it is His truth not ours. May the Lord bless your study Mark. SBoone |
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18 | IS LAZARUS AND THE RICH MAN A PARABLE | Luke 16:19 | SBoone | 156797 | ||
Good Morning Pastor, I appreciate you taking the time to respond to my comments. I have two comments. The first is that if in the OT the saints slept until Christ's resurrection then doesn't that mean Abraham was in the grave and not in Heaven holding Lazarus? Which means that the Rich man and Lazarus was either a parable or a story of some point in the future. The other comment is in scripture when I find texts that seem to contridict one another I like to dig up every text I can find on the subject and see if in context I can find (be shown) harmony. Immortality of the soul is a complex issue and in my study it was much easier to view rich man and Lazarus as a parable rather than trying to expain away the other texts. (I don't mean this negatively. I say this in the aspect that the two appear in conflict so one or the other must be brought into subjection to the other). Let's assume that the parable of the rich man and Lazarus is a literal story. Do people actually have conversations between heaven and hell? Do the people actually have fingers and tongues. If it is a literally story these present problems do they not? If this is a parable what is the teaching? Riches gained by greed, dishonesty or oppressing the poor are not a sign of God's favor. This fits with the parables prior to this as well. I believe there are many issues which don't require absolute unity in order to be brothers in Christ. My concern with this issue is the growth of spiritualism in the world. During the early Christian Church's struggle with paganism creaping into the church (which eventually lead to the reformation) a dangerous theology entered the church. Many Christians began praying to the dead. In many stories the dead spoke back. If you believe, as I believe the Bible teaches, that the dead are sleeping until the resurrection at the second coming then this false theology dies. Again thank you for your time and comments. I pray that the Lord will bless you and keep you (Num. 6:24). SBoone |
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19 | IS LAZARUS AND THE RICH MAN A PARABLE | Luke 16:19 | SBoone | 156732 | ||
Hi Tim, Thanks for you comments. You make good points. It is using a negative to teach a principle. In my mind it still helps explain the Rich man and Lazarus story that follows. I believe that scripture never contradicts itself, and there are some texts that I can't reconcile to this story. Death is equivalent to a sleep Job 14:12,21 John 11:11-14 1 Thes 4:13-15 Matt 9:24 Along with many OT references to Kings sleeping when dead. Ps 146:4 "His spirit departs, he returns to the earth; In that very day his thoughts perish." In Gen 2:7 we are told that dust plus God's Breath equals a living being. In Eccl 12:7 we are told that death equals dust minus breath. Note - see margin note 1 on eccl 12:7. In Dan 12:2 says we sleep until the resurrection. Dan 12:13 says that Daniel was to enter into rest and rise again for his allotted portion at the end of the age. You must assume he is not receiving his allotted portion now. Is 57:1,2 Says the dead rest in their beds. Gen 3:17-19 God tells Adam that you are dust and to dust you shall return. Not your body but "you". Ps 115:17 "The dead do not praise the Lord". If they are in heaven why do they not praise the Lord? They will praise the Lord when they are awaken from their sleep. John 7:34 Jesus tells the disciples that where He goes they can not come. He must come back to get us. John 14:3 tells us that Christ left, but will come again to receive us to Himself, "THAT WHERE I AM, THERE YOU MAY BE ALSO". In context of these verses I can not believe that would God contidicts Himself in Luke 16. If the dead are asleep then the story of the Rich Man and Lazarus must have been a parable, or it was a glimps into the future when the wicked would be finally destroyed in hell. There are many other verses, but these give the basis of my thoughts. I know you don't share this view, and I do not mean to belittle yours or anyone else's views. I truly respect the comments that I have read on this board, and have found so much guidance. I simply share what my studies have lead me to believe. Your's in Christ |
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20 | IS LAZARUS AND THE RICH MAN A PARABLE | Luke 16:19 | SBoone | 156711 | ||
Kalos, In Luke 16:1-9 is it not a false doctrine that we should "rob" others in order to benefit ourselves? Is this not what the man did. He squandered his masters goods, and then he further cheated his master by discounting debts in order to protect his own future. Jesus then teaches that this was being faithful. Neither of us would then teach that we should use others to their loss and our gain. Rather we point to the point of the parable that Christ asks us to be faithful in the smallest areas and then more will be given us. I believe Paul was not saying this believing that they had been mistakenly worshiping the true God. I believe that he knew this to be another minor alter to yet another pagan god. He took advantage of their "ignorance" about one of their gods to teach an eternal truth. The false doctrine was worshiping the pagan god which the alter represented. Paul was not teaching false doctrine. He taught true doctine by using something others were treating in a false way. That being said. If you are correct that their worship of this unknown god was actually the worship of the Living God. Then it does nothing for my point. However the Luke 16:1-9 still illustrates my point. Thank you for your answer. |
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